MAGA world is really mad that Trump is no longer running against Biden
MAGA world is really mad that Trump is no longer running against Biden
Trump and his supporters are slamming Biden for quitting the race and endorsing VP Kamala Harris instead, calling it a "coup" and demanding refunds.
- Trump and his supporters are slamming Joe Biden for quitting the race and endorsing Kamala Harris.
- Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
- Biden's withdrawal also means Trump is now the oldest candidate in the presidential race.
Incidentally, there's a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can't tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore. They'll tell us not to vote for whoever is going to be his replacement though.
Eh, their new dissent orders seem to be "Biden can't appoint Harris! I didn't vote for her!" which, of course, displays a total lack of knowledge about what primaries are and what the DNC is.
They didn't want Biden to run, and now they mysteriously don't want the person most of the party supports to run either.
Almost like they want Trump to win, hmmmmmm
I'm seeing a lot of "wHat AbOuT A pRimArY" already from the usual bad actors.
I've seen iterations of "the Democrats stabbed Biden in the back!" too many times on here over the past 24 hours for it to be a coincidence
displays a total lack of knowledge
Well we are talking about right wingers here, kinda par for the course. :P
Get ready to repeat this: "The Biden of today is not the Biden who was voted for in the primaries." Even Biden himself acknowledged that by stepping aside as candidate!
You know what I’m not seeing?
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
ALL of the tentative happiness about Harris maybe being a stronger candidate than Biden was, is coming from people who were either neutral or defending Biden before. The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent, and a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
Really? I've seen plenty of posts like that. Stuff like "Donated to the democratic party to show this was necessary", "Finally, we can safely roast Trump for being old and senile", "I don't care who the replacement is, thank god he's out".
There are some shit-stirrers, but they seem to be the minority.
Disclaimer: I am not American, cannot vote or donate, am heavily invested in the election due to the ramifications on Ukraine.
They’re waiting on the next talking points from their Russian overlords. Give it a day or so and they’ll be back with some new, yet all the same, arguments.
You know my history regarding Biden. Go on, check my history since Biden did the right thing and dropped out. I'm still posting and not so much as an unkind word about Harris. Biden did the right thing. The party did the right thing. I'm overjoyed that for the first fucking time in far too goddamned long, Democrats listened instead of digging in their heels and demanding votes, every pore reeking of entitled paternalist condescension.
You were wrong. Your shitty candidate bowed out like you didn't want him to, and just look. The party has very much gotten in line behind Kamala. The predicted chaos and infighting hasn't happened. She's had the best fundraising in US history simply by being the understudy who was present at the time and not being Biden.
The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent
Have you considered that it's because they're finally satisfied? At least for now? Harris is a reasonable compromise candidate. Biden wasn't, and he listened to reason and bowed out. We're better for it.
a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
Democrats are a big tent. Some of us don't like genocide. Some of us don't like cops. Some of us don't like either. Harris is in a better position to distance herself from past actions than Biden was about ongoing actions.
She ran on full cannabis legalization in 2020 and was a sponsor of the Justice in Policing Act of 2020. It ain't gonna stick.
I'm glad Biden dropped out.
Are you?
I am one of those accounts who wanted Biden to step aside. Not because I dislike him but because he was going to lose. Now I have hope. I've been smiling since Saturday afternoon.
a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
I mean, in both cases people are entitled to their honest opinions. I'm going to vote for her, but I'm not happy about it. Not being happy about her her career pre-whitehouse seems fairly reasonable to me.
Right here!
lol that's a really broad extrapolation of what, a few people you saw that happened to post something in the last day? Just boldly labeling anyone who had a criticism of Biden as a bitter troll or something?
Me, 22 days ago
We’ve never had a pair of candidates this unpopular. (Maybe Trump vs Clinton)
If the Dems had any kind of brains, they absolutely would pick someone else at the convention.
Just not Harris; She might be the only one, less popular than Biden is.At this point, I guess she's a better pick than Biden, just not by much.
I still want an open convention, and someone else.
Already happening. They're testing the waters to see what's going to stick.
Oh yeah I've been called a fascist already because I said I'd vote for Harris and that while she isn't the best candidate she will be leagues better than Biden imo.
While I never told anyone not to vote for Biden, I definitely openly bitched about him not being capable of speaking and the absolute joke it is. I'm not a fan of Harris, but my God, a sentient adult is amazing.
Sorta the same here. I didn't openly say anything and I'm voting blue but when he called Zelensky putin and Kamala trump I internally slumped my shoulders.
Everything they already pinned on Joe (like mainly Israel) they can pin on her because she was part of the same administration. Plus they will now also point at things from her past, like history as a criminal prosecutor, and blame her for that as well. Since that won’t align with progressive criminal reform agenda. And they might call her a race traitor as well, just for good measure. Should be interesting to see what the tankies and communists come up with.
Your argument is bizarre. Please explain why someone wouldn't use "things from her past" to inform their vote. You use the word "blame" as though she is a victim of her own decisions.
I don't know a single communist who would call someone a race traitor. That's nuts and your anger is very misdirected.
there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore.
is there any evidence for this claim at all?
GOP: "Your candidate is unfit for office."
Dems: "Okay, we got a new candidate."
GOP: shocked pikachu
No no not like that! We're going to sue!
Maybe they should have spent time and money promoting their candidate instead of attacking the other
This is really what it boils down to. But with Trump there is nothing to promote. The only way they can win is by ruining the reputation of their opponent to try to make them look worse.
I was thinking this when everyone was saying it's too late to change candidates. While that might have been true if a campaign consisted of promoting people's positives, that's not what it is. It's all about finding the dirt on the other and switching candidates late just means there has been less shit talked.
That and attacking the ideas, not the person.
Policies don’t sell in the current political climate. It has been all about Trump vs not Trump since 2016.
Oh, I understand, but if was still their strategy choice.
Trump added that he thought the GOP should be "reimbursed for fraud."
Trump raises an excellent point: his campaign was forced to waste money against Biden for as long as it did only for the Democrats to pull the rug out from under him by pulling Joe out of the race. This, if anything, is a form of cheating.
AH HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GOP: Fuck your feelings might makes right REAL MEN ARE BACK don’t tread on me THESE COLORS DON’T RUN SON
Also: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Unironically "I object on the grounds that it's devastating to my case"
Ahh, the famous cheat of checks notes changing your mind weeks before announcing a decision.
Biden was never running against Trump in the 2024 election. The Democrats still have not announced a candidate. If the Republicans wanted to campaign against the presumptive nominee before an official decision was made, that's on them.
I can't believe all those stupid anti-biden truck decals etc will be rendered pointless in a matter of months. I better start making anti-Kamala decals if i want to properly capitalize on these next 4 years 🤑
Edit: cry into your fuckin ear-squares ya bunch of sad sacks
Their favorite cheap Chinese manufacturers are already on it, ready to take more of their money.
Those people aren't going to let go of their anti-Biden identity that easily, we will probably still see those decals for years.
In fairness.. a lefty could make bank on anti Kamala stickers (that secretly hide they are too her but only people who finished school would notice)
Biden is now a man with nothing to lose and a supreme court that said presidents can do any damn thing they please
Just like we drew it up.
I would love him to do such extreme things they have no choice but to retract the rulings and put in further protections.
Executive order to club the kneecaps of the supreme judges. Every Monday morning.
Like fire the few unqualified corrupt shitheads that were appointed by a felon rapist traitor? Judges appointed by traitors that follow Putin's will should no longer be judges. It's a matter of national security.
They don't have to retract the ruling, they specifically said the supreme court can still revoke what the president does. So only trump is allowed whatever he wants.
Now their candidate is the old fuck and is a felon who's fighting against a black woman (!) that used to send felons to jail.
Of course they are pissed! As they should be!
Of course they are mad. The Republican strategy up until this point has been to attack the incumbent, but now the incumbent is no longer running for re-election. Trump literally doesn't know how to deal with this situation. His whole shtick is to attack the person currently in charge, but that doesn't do shit for him now.
A big part of why he lost in 2020, imo, is that he didn't have anybody to blame for all the bad shit happening in the country at the time. He himself was in charge and could only say "things will get worse under Biden", but people were sick of Covid fucking up our lives and the endless scandals that hit the news daily.
He's gonna tie every biden policy to Hillary Clinton and attack her based on that.
Then hopefully someone will remind him that he's running against Kamala Harris and not Clinton.
the Republican Party had "spent tens of millions of dollars running against Joe Biden
Damn, if only they had spent that tens of millions of dollars campaigning for somebody, then this wouldn't have even mattered.
Or even attack the policies. The problem for the Trump Party is that they are a cult of personality and don't understand what policy really means.
they're gonna have to re-edit some of their attack ads ready to go and just add "and SHE was there, vice presidenting all of it" at the end.
Maybe they will start to realize the persistent election cycle is not a good thing. I would love to see a ban on all election campaigning until 90 days before said election but that wouldn’t get past a 1st amendment challenge.
Just do publicly funded elections, including things like publicly funded frequent small debates where the candidates had to appear as reasonably competent adults who could defend their ideas, and resurrect some of the regulations like the fairness doctrine and caps on media consolidation
The dogshit quality of the current election coverage is mostly a problem because it is the only type of coverage that is available. I think if there was a widely available and well funded type of election coverage that wasn’t this cash grab horse race ad supported bullshit, the bullshit would have to compete against it and would lose and improve as a result.
Lets start by putting a cap on how much money can be spent on campaigns and keep it at a very minimal level.
Start by eliminating superPACs.
Sounds good. We'll just need to re-do Citizens United with fewer than 5 fully regressive appointees purchased by billionaires.
Cap it at like $30. You can run an ad in the student newspaper of your choice.
That'll never work, big donors will just hide it or do the advertising themselves unrelated of course
If it's robust enough that it actually limits campaign spending without loopholes, then that alone might do it. Campaigns would have to use their funds more strategically, and the best time to spend is in the weeks before an election, not a year out.
This is starting to look like an effective strategy for the Democrats to drain Republican funds: don't announce your actual candidate until August.
The US election cycle is too long anyway. I'm very for this idea.
Spot on. For once (not really, but this doesn't happen as often as it needs to) the Democrats are outsmarting their opponents. Let's make this the norm. All of us working together towards a common sense future.
The problem with a 2 party system is that it is a lot easier to make the opposition look bad rather than make your candidate look good.
So all these MAGAs lost a lot of money since their smear campaign of Biden is now worth nothing and they will have to start over.
The smear campaign for Harris is already ramping up into full fashion.
Anything and everything is being thrown at the wall to see if it sticks. It's absolutely disgusting behavior.
Well, it got Biden to not run. If anything they are mad that it was too effective
Goes to show - is that what they really wanted? I think this highlights that they really just enjoyed all the mudslinging more than anything.
You guys realize that Biden waited until after the RNC to announce this right? He's making this as hard as possible for them to pivot. You had hundreds of people in the same city, building strategies for their campaign. He had made sure that Kamala would have the delegates secured to ensure there would be no in-fighting for the next candidate. They did little to stop the media in going down the rabbit hole of the all-consuming news that he should drop out. They used it for their advantage to create a positive whirl wind around Kamala. Truly brilliant.
At the time it was frustrating, but in hindsight this was all clearly orchestrated. A brilliant move by the Democrats and an incredible act of patriotism by President Biden. His legacy is secured in perpetuity.
Only great people give up power willingly. Huge props to Biden. I didn't want him to quit because I always knew he was a good president and a good man.
Hopefully the next candidate will be able to take down Trump.
Some 5D chess
Nice thought exercise but in reality an old man got COVID and was finally convinced that he was a losing gambit.
Occam's razor
That's not what happened. He had a run of bad luck over a couple of weeks, including getting covid, and then some major donors said they would withdraw support.
I mean he still gets the credit for doing the right thing. He could've hung in there until the bitter end... but it's always about the money.
I like this idea.
It's certainly true that if Biden was planning to withdraw then after the republican convention and before the dems was certainly the correct time to do it.
I believe it was a mistake to pull out this late in the game and think its probably giving Trump the win but seeing how mad republicans get is almost worth it.
I don't really understand how it's too late?
4 months feels like a perfect amount of time to woo the populace - enough time to see and hear her without getting weary of her.
What advantages would they have had by switching Kamala in a month or two ago ?
I believe it was a mistake to pull out this late in the game and think its probably giving Trump the win
Kamala polls better than Biden in match-ups against trump among every age group except boomers whose kids are trying to get them to surrender their car-keys.
That said, I expect it's all rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Turn out among dem voters will probably be lower than in 2020 because that's what happens when instead of doing what your voters want, you end covid protections, facilitate a genocide, and beat them up for protesting that genocide.
So they are basically admitting that their whole campaign argument was "Biden is bad Trump is not Biden" and now that he is gone, the argument is invalid. After all if it was a campaign mostly about Trump's positive qualities (in their perspective) then it should not have really mattered who the opposition is.
The problem with Trump being a talentless orange idiot is that the only quality he had was being younger than Biden.
Which was like twins that argue over who's older.
In the blink of an eye, their surplus of hateful anti-Biden merchandise becomes even more useless. This will surely make them realize how idiotic their cult is /s.
The Democrats should have flip-flopped candidates for months, ruining those people with hateful merchandise.
Technically Harris isn't confirmed yet!
They're upset. So? They're always upset. Make them more upset by voting Democrat in the upcoming election.
Maybe the Republicans should do the same thing then and have Trump stop running.
They only wish, that's why they are so angry.
Hitler spent time in prison after all. What is he afraid of?
It is a conspiracy for one side to strategically do a better job and be better.
Starting the pool on how long till TFG forgets who he's now running against and starts rantng about Biden at a rally.
Apparently its already happened.. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/22/2256891/-Trump-refuses-to-accept-he-s-not-running-against-Biden-anymore
More than anything, Trump’s allies believed that the president’s stubborn Irish ego wouldn’t let him back out of a fight with a man he despised.
Every fucking thing is about race to them. They developed strategies based on stereotypes.
Or Obama.
He did this with his "truths" on truth social immediately after Biden's withdrawal. He had to say something but didn't have anything prepared I guess so just ranted about crooked Joe Biden.
I say it starts at the next appearance he makes.
And most importantly of all......
The reason they are this mad...
Nobody ain't talking about no ears no more.
Fuck. Them.
Please don't. They might enjoy it and the thought of making more of them is sickening
It’s not enough
They enjoy being fucked
Yeah I bet the skeevers are upset, regularless of the new nominee Trump is almost surely going to get destroyed in the next debate. Also now most of Trump's points against Biden apply to himself instead of the other candidate.
Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
Curiously, they're not mad about the multiple tens of millions of their dollars being spent on Trump's lawyers.
They're going to be mad no matter what. When Democrats try to pass Republican legislation they get mad.
That's because they have an opposition based moral system instead of one based on good and evil. The only way to beat Republicans is never to play their games since the only way to win their game (in their eyes) is to fall in their ranks (agreeing with them sometimes doesn't make them like you either).
This would be a good time for republicans to campaign on all the politics they intend to run. Lol. They've been unusually silent lately. because they can't find common ground on anything but being anti-democrat.
GOP will implode on itself if Democrats just stay silent for a week or two.
they can't find common ground on anything but being anti-democrat.
Sadly that's all that's needed in a first past the post system that has boiled down to two parties. It's only tribalism at this point.
They should be mad. Biden stands down with a perfect 1-0 record of defeating Trump with no chance of rematch.
Why would you come with a campaign tweaked against a specific opponent and not with a program that is the best for the majority of the citizen? Politics is really stupid especially in 2024!
Yep. It's no longer about the policies or what we can do to improve the country and protect it.
It's all about framing and mudslinging and nothing more. Just look at the absolute insane level of astroturfing and bot spam over the last few days throwing absolutely everything at the wall to discredit and drum up hate against Harris.
All it is is a campaign to rile up right wingers to hate someone else. It's literally nothing more than this, there's no actual value to any of it it is the opposite of valuable to this country.
Here I was thinking it was a mistake for the Dems to have pushed Biden this far into the year.
It was certainly not on purpose, but it became a trap for the Reps. They played the Ad hominem card hard and it's blowing up on their face. And it doesn't help most of their attacks on Biden can now only be directed toward Trump.
Do they think the dems didn’t spend a bunch promoting Biden?
The nice thing about spending money in support of a candidate is that if that candidate withdraws and chooses to back another candidate then most of that campaign money spent is still a net positive.
Whereas, the GOP's entire attack strategy almost certainly focused on just Biden and not a whole lot of policy attacks. With Biden out, that money may as well be a pile of cash they lit on fire. They've also spent quite a bit on content they haven't released yet that is no longer relevant to this election.
They're pretty good at wasting money if you look at the last few republican presidencies. Spend spend spend, but not on American citizens. That would be socialism.
This does not effect them, so no.
Let's hope we can focus more on Trump's mental acuity (or lack thereof) from here on out.
Dementia Don, the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can't even complete a coherent sentence. Too old, he needs to step down before he gives himself a McHeartAttack.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
The fact that they're so mad about this makes me think that Biden was a much weaker incumbent than I realized, and that the choice to replace him was the right one.
And maybe withdrawing so late might not be as bad after all. Sure, it’s going to be tough for dems to rework their campaign, but it’s going to be tough for reps as well when their campaign revolved around Biden.
I went hard for Biden because I was genuinely worried there would be chaos in finding a new candidate that would make it impossible to sort it out and run an effective campaign in the time left. It looks like I was wrong and I'm so fucking happy about that.
Harris is the right candidate - part of the same administration, so she can run on the same record which is pretty damn solid. I'm excited for the future.
You're really giving them a lot of undue credit in the realm of knowing anything about civics or people.
Calling it now.
They'll say it's a conspiracy and Biden is running things behind the scenes as head of the deep state, Kamala is just a puppet
He's gonna be the forever bogeyman.
So many strings to keep track of!
Biden is controlling Harris! Obama is controlling Biden! Soros is controlling Obama! Satan is controlling Soros! God is controlling Satan... Wait...
No need to call it it's already happening
It is? Fucking wow (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
If they don't want to run a campaign against their opponent they can keep it completely at the policy level for the policy they endorse like project 2025.
So, what you're telling me is that by finally conceding to giving up on reelection, Biden achieved one hell of a victory against the whiny orange?
🥂
Here's to hoping you 'muricans don't fuck this chance.
Be nice if the LPC took some notes from this one.
Well yeah, they've probably printed enough Geriatric Joe propaganda to last all the way to the election.
They'll just get Mexico to pay for it.
This reverse uno card is really funny.
The headline was so close to perfection...
I’m in some chats with right wingers. At first they were happy. Which was actually nice for once and we stopped talking about politics every .002 seconds. Then they went down this batshit, bizarre conspiracy hole about Biden not really withdrawing because it wasn’t announced on whitehouse.gov. They’re just making fun of Kamala now. Jimmies are definitely russled.
I guess if only they spent more endorsing their own agenda instead of smearing it wouldnt matter right? 🤷♂️
I don't know, I went to r/conservative and they seem quite pleased. From my observations, both dems and reps seem happy with what just happened. I saw no one scared or upset and I spent about 30 minutes reading comments.
It was actually kinda trippy how universally pleased everyone is.
They don’t seem pleased to me. They just seem like now they’re full throated into their fact free attacks on Harris, having pivoted effortlessly to those instead of the fact free attacks on Biden.
Top stories currently on the page:
- Within the first year of taking office, 4 of Kamala Harris’ top aides quit, branding her a ‘bully inflicting 'constant, soul-destroying criticism'.
- Joe Biden is too frail to run in 2024 but he's still our president?
- Kamala Harris Will Be Burdened By What Has Been
- Piggyback off what Tulsi said 8 years
- Biden’s statement withdrawing from the 2024 election
- CBS Already Playing The Race Card For Harris, Hails Her As 'Brilliant’
- Kamala Harris ladies and gentleman
- That Was Quick - Hours after Biden drops out of presidential race, Kamala Harris drops merch line
Honestly dude it just looks exhausting. I can see why they are so angry and chaotic whenever you try to talk to them IRL.
It takes nothing to launch a merch line. Just keep a graphic artist on call, then drop ship. They had weeks to prepare for the possibility.
I can see why they are so angry and chaotic whenever you try to talk to them IRL
Because they lack any kind of critical thought? If how they act and speak in real life is based on what they read on Reddit (or Lemmy), then they need to have their heads examined, and they need to go back to school.
r/conservative always gets a glimpse of normalcy when the bots have to get fed with new arguments.
That's just the bots.
Oh did your sure thing evaporate now that you're not running against a dementia patient?
That's like losing a $1,000 bet on the Lakers and trying to sue them or something.
The next presidential candidate debate, is going to be fun!
Why? There's only downsides for Democrats. Trump supporters clearly don't expect him to sound like a reasonable person and undecided voters are either nonexistent or so incapable of rational thinking that they may as well be. All that leaves you with is the potential for more Democratic infighting if Kamala does poorly in any area.
Awww! Well Boo Fucking Hoo for you.
Good. Let them stay angry.
MAGAs: Wait, you can do that?
Who cares. Report on democratic candidates, strengths, weaknesses, policies, etc. I'm so fucking sick of the "news"
This feels like postering to me. Trump was recorded while playing golf with Barron that “Biden’s out. It’s gonna be Kamala”. He’s already been considering this for at least a week or more.
Trump isn’t upset about going up against Kamala and he’s already been saying that he will stomp her, which I am so fearful he will that it makes me tear up.
He’s already been considering this for at least a week or more.
He and his team have considered it, but I doubt Trump is capable of preparing for it. His team will try, but -- like Biden -- he is an old man past his prime. Voters do not want Project 2025, so Trump's team CAN'T talk about it with anything but denial, and that is the only 'plan' they have. The rest is a few insults that Trump repeat over and over, to which Harris can say, "I'll take the insults if it keeps necessary abortions legal. I'll take it to keep schools open. To improve them. To make sure [insert message here] is expanded, not abolished."