And yet somehow, instead of being mad at the elements of our government that blocked the yellow line, or asking who in government we can promote who’s further left than Biden and how we can realistically get those people into a position to win power, some people are purely angry at Biden about it
My thoughts exactly. 4 years of a democratic president (and Joe Manchin + Kyrsten Sinema being sticks in the mud) got the blue line to where it is now. That doesn’t mean it stays there forever. Another 4 years of a democratic executive and legislative branch will get us much closer to that yellow line.
We have to keep pushing forward and prevent the country from doing significant environmental backsliding like it did in 2016-2020.
Nobody cares more about Hillary Clinton than the white twitter leftist who's still mad that their protest vote for stein didn't do shit to hold anyone accountable and just kick-started the new era of American backsliding.
Same reason people are pissed at Biden for every handling of <insert problem here> that 100% falls within the domain of another governmental branch. Currently the executive branch is sorta Atlasing our entire government which requires them to severely overreach their powers opening them up to checks and balances by the other highly sabotaged branches that both seemingly wish to force our entire government to accomplish nothing. The most publicized example of this is three student loan forgiveness package that Biden's administration tried to pass that got blocked, though there are lots of other examples.
The reality is that the executive branch as a whole has very little long term reach and we need to be pressuring Congress to do literally anything at all. The only time I'm going to look at Biden and say "this is his fault" is when I see Congress pass a bill doing something like sending an aid package to Gaza and/or Ukraine, only to have him refuse to sign. Which I suspect he'd actually just sign something like that through. We'll never know for sure because two of our federal branches are too busy playing something vaguely resembling a game of football where the ball is a 50 lb boulder and everyone's screaming that they keep subbing their toes on on it.
The bottom line is that people need to vote at every level
Pretty consistently the stopping point in achieving a lot of good has been the margin at which one singular person is able to halt everything.
Republicans barely have to do anything to backslide our democracy and meanwhile the democrats apparently have to end up spectacular in every conceivable way to achieve keeping the fucking lights on and some woefully under-publicized gains.
There needs to be some serious talk about reshaping the republic as all these octogenarians begin to finally drop, because it's quite obvious that the current federal model has aged out of what clarity the founding fathers may have seen in it. We need leaders on this movement, and we need solid objectives that are clear to the movement.
It's not like you'd get a majority with a yellow line candidate anyway because people would realize that the measures required for this course would severely affect them too.
Step 1: Vote for Biden now.
Step 2: Vote for every Democrat. Do this until the Republican party is a smoking crater.
Step 3:Then primary the fuck out of the AIPAC and oil-backed Democrats once you get past Step 2.
It's important to let the Democratic Party think they've got the levers of power, then shift the sands beneath them.
And of it doesn't work, at least you didn't get Trump, because no matter how bad the Democrats are, Trump and the Republican Party are so much worse.
To play devil's advocate, this has been the strategy for decades and yet America has been moving to the right economically. Why would this time be any different? Would it not make sense that people with money would still be the ones the prevailing parties curtail to, not the public?
Wow! What a false, disingenuous argument. So standard operating procedure.
To start with. The slogan "Blue no matter who" isn't 1 decade old. Let alone decades old. You wouldn't make that argument if you'd payed attention to what's actually been going on. Or more importantly were being genuine.
Solidarity has been a major issue for Democrats for decades. And the actual left for a century. And this sort of shit is why.
Vote blue no matter who is absolutely part of the answer. And it's far overdue. But it's only a part. The other is voting in every election. Every single one. Not just presidential. Voting for president is honesty one of the least important votes a person can cast. Still important. But so many things are more impactful. No presidents agenda will be implemented good or bad without support in Congress. They make the laws, sign the bills, allocate the funds.
And the last part. Get off your whiny ass and run for office. I vote in every election. And I leave a ton of offices blank. Because it's a Republican running unopposed. I'd jump at the chance to vote for a DSA running as a democrat against a Republican. Or just about any other actual leftist for that matter. And I'm not alone. Hell I would even vote for an ml if you all could help yourselves. You know stop acting like capitalist. Trying to centralize power and jailing / killing everyone that disagrees with you.
Some people have a hard time believing that the Democratic Party is not one whole monolith that always votes on party lines even when they disagree (that’s the other one)
It's crazy the people think like that when there are people like Ocasio Cortez Sanders Sinema and Manchin all in the same party. The Democratic party has been for at minimum the last 50 years a coalition party of everyone who was not an abject bigot or racist.
That terrorist Reagan had such a massive win with the aid of a foreign government back in the eighties. That it terrified everyone else. The Democratic party struggled for that whole decade trying to find a new formula to winning against that fascistic terrorist. And in their flailing the neoliberals were the first ones to regain control. And shortly solidified it leading to a lot of the dysfunction we're still facing to this day. But the party has never been a neoliberal monolith.
We don't need to erase Republicans to change how we vote. That is controlled at the state level. Should be really easy to do in blue states where Republicans have less influence.
Perhaps to late to change this coming elections voting system, but we can right now start making the organizations we need to push for it ASAP.
Imagine feeling free to vote for who best represents you, sure in the knowledge that if your preference didn’t win, your vote would still count against the Republicans.
Step 1: vote biden now
Step 2: vote for every democrat
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: the republican party is a smoking crater
Step 5: ?????
Step 6: primary the fuck out of AIPAC and oil democrats
Step 7: profit
You seem to think that voting will magically make things better, and that is why we are up shit creek right now. I don’t expect you to know exactly what happens in between, but I don’t get the blind optimism and the desire for inaction.
We didn’t get trump because people didn’t vote for clinton hard enough, she won the popular vote. We got him because all people did was vote. If our only tool to move left is voting, we’ll continue ratcheting right.
Step 1: Vote for Biden now. Step 2: Vote for every Democrat. Do this until the Republican party is a smoking crater.
I remember this strategy when it started with "Vote for Gore now." I've got the Kucinich for President bumper sticker to prove it. I do not believe this strategy will ever work, mostly because America isn't nearly as progressive as you think it is.
Us weirdos need to get used to being unhappy about the government because it will never be what we want because it's a giant group project and those always suck ass.
I remember this strategy when it started with “Vote for Gore now.”
That would have more weight except people voting for Nader gave us 8 years of Bush by not understanding how a FPTP system works, so I don't know that Gore is really an argument against this so much as for it.
There's a bit of a difference between wanting representatives who aren't in the pockets of Big Oil and voting that way, and a Night of the Long Knives.
This is the fundamental message of the modern Democratic Party.
"Yes, you will still be boiled alive, but we will do it more slowly."
And what's extra hair-pullingly-frustrating about it all is that they'll get blamed for the boil anyway... which will result in Republicans winning and turning up the heat.
There's no way out. Its either a crew that will compromise and fritter away what time we have left or a crew that will pedal-to-the-metal straight off the cliff.
Imagine you live in a world where major voices of a political party is clearly expressing that their current guy will run down the world and thinks that it is a w, because the other guy is worse.
Thanks Dems, you fail the USA and the world at large! Literally ruining the only accessable livable planet. But w for not being trump!
I don't really understand this stance... I mean, yes I get what you are saying and that is exceedingly shitty you have to choose between bad and worse; but is there really "no difference"?
I mean, if you have to choose between leaving your loving family vs having your loving family killed... is it really the "same" choice?
I am not saying it makes no difference. I am saying how could she think it is a win for them. This is literally going to your gf and telling her that you fucked a girl raw, nutted inside of her, don't intend to stop but hey you didn't get her pregnant. Like yeah, the last part matters but wtf are you proud for? Shame on you. And how could you possibly think that your girlfriend ignores everything else, just because you didn't get the woman pregnant?
If you think this is the same as "no difference", you are mistaken. I would vote for bad over worse, it makes a difference. But don't be proud of it. Don't post it as a win. Be ashamed. Do better. And at least, intend to stop.
Kinda disingenuous to blame the democrats when the system has been flawed for decades and should've been fixed a long time ago. Democrats are to blame, republicans are to blame and Americans in general are to blame for their shitty political system.
Capitalism is to blame, not the American people. The Political Parties ultimately gain influence and power by courting the ruling class to secure funding, thus it is unreasonable to expect either the Democrats or the Republicans to actually represent the will of the people.
My problem lies within the fact that she posts that proudly.
Dems might aren't to blame for the system and might aren't to blame for the climate issues... But that they think this is a win??? Crazy! Who is posting the "win"? A dem.
I have a prediction: Now that the USA people are waking up, the voting ratio on this comment (which wound up at currently a surprising-to-me 43:9 while most of them were asleep) will start to shift in the direction of many more downvotes, although it will continue to attract a trickle of upvotes.
Why is that, I wonder?
(I could try to disagree with the logic of saying "well now that we changed firefighters the amount of fire in the building is going down, BUT IT'S NOT OUT YET WTF ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT WHY DID WE EVEN BRING THESE GUYS INSTEAD OF THE GUYS WHO JUST START MORE FIRES," but I think looking into why this has such an unnatural pattern of voting is a little more interesting.)
Why do more than you need to occupy the seat that gives you the power to assign taxpayer money to people and projects you prefer?
Just being marginally better than the other scum isn't going to cut it anymore, as evidenced by all the local and state governments that are making moves regardless of what the feds are doing.
To be fair it's not like this administration has done nothing of value, but many of the processes that have begun have yet to bear fruit like the discussions around Right to Repair, unionization, and breaking up the monopolies and oligopolies. Actually follow through with some of that, get a few wins, and then you can claim to be the virtuous ones.
As per moderator request, a unique comment for you. Enjoy.
Typically, when I encounter the statement "both sides are the same," it's often voiced by a Democratic-leaning conservative like yourself, aiming to discredit critics of the Democratic Party. While acknowledging similarities in capitalism and conservatism, there are notable distinctions. Wouldn't it be preferable to foster more diversity of perspectives? If we truly want to address dissenting voices, we should invite them to actively participate and offer solutions rather than merely criticizing from the sidelines. Transitioning from first-past-the-post voting allows for more accurate representation and mitigates the spoiler effect. Electoral reform can be pursued at the state level without waiting for federal action, as demonstrated by Maine and Alaska. However, Republicans are working to restrict alternative electoral systems. Why adopt the same voting methods preferred by Republicans? Embracing multiple political parties ensures broader representation and engagement, benefiting both citizens and the Democratic Party. Increased voter participation leads to more democratic outcomes. So, what's holding back Democratic-led states from prioritizing electoral reform? Let's take action and advocate for change within our own states to ensure better representation and competition among candidates. We deserve genuine representation, not excuses.
this post is so embarrassing and so is that response tweet. how did you want her to present this information? or did you just want her to shut up about the very topics which you self admittedly find to be critical?
reactionary posturing. not even a meme. for the love of everything you care for don’t let this shit affect your vote.
Like it or not, right or wrong, Hillary is a pariah. They are asking why a person that knows they are polarizing figure in their own party would step up onto a podium when that party is trying to scrape together every vote it can.
Even tho she's right, there's more democrats likely to be put off by the delivery than there is on the fence voters being swayed.
lovely. and by boosting this message, reposting it across social media sites, her divisive-pariah message is getting a greater traction than if OP left it alone.
i don’t follow her on twitter do you? why are we cool with dredging up shit we know is going to be divisive?
honestly thanks for this insight, i’m embarrassed even more by this post now.
She's still salty that she lost. Meanwhile Bernie, cheated by her and her squad of idiots, is still in Congress so in his actual job. What's Hilary doing these days? Shilling?
Hillary didnt lose because she wasnt far enough left. She lost because she's unlikeable, couldnt generate enthusiasm like Obama could and because not enough people understood the danger Trump posed. The polls had her at around a 90% chance of winning and a lot of people didnt vote because "why bother? We have it in the bag anyway and I dont like her." Bernie's problem OTOH is that even if he got it, which was exceedingly unlikely DNC meddling or not, congress would have to be left enough not to completely derail and water down most of the things he wanted to do. Which there was a zero percent chance of. He's not a dictator. He has to actually work with like minded congress critters to get most things done.
I guess staying quiet enough so less people talk about her and her husband's connections to the sex trafficker who didn't kill himself, while still trying to keep relevancy in the political space.
Welcome to two-party America. You get to choose between a malicious tyrant, an apparently less malicious tyrant, or waste your vote. Those are your options. Choose carefully, you're stuck with them for four years!
And probably 8 years. Also have to decide which party you'd rather have in office at the end of those 8 years, since we seem to switch back and forth between presidents.
If Repubs would quit voting for white supremacist totalitarianism I would be able to quit voting for white supremacist corporatism and vote instead for someone who is actually progressive. Or if we had score voting or something sane. Unfortunately the only rational option is to vote against the totalitarianism.
The only way to maintain relevance and funding as a major political party is to court people with all of the money, so both major parties represent the small minority that makes up the wealthy and ultra-wealthy.
Leftist ideas are popular but we cannot vote for them because both major parties stand for different variations of Capitalism.
So long as both sides suck capitalism's cock, that's what you get. Plus most of the 300+ million are too tired, dumb, or blinded to care about anything other than meaningless talking points. So we are left to vote for an imperfect candidate that is less likely to make the hellscape worse. The stakes are high, but i can see why fatalism just sets in and people say "fuck it."
3rd option, use excellent conversation and discussion skills to convince Americans the severity of this problem. This will scare the politicians and they will start getting serious about climate change.
But if that doesn't work out, vote for Biden cuz he's closer to the Target. This will result in less casualties to climate change for the time being.
With our current voting system, this is all we can do. Vote Democrat and hope for gradual change. Sadly, our planet is more than "gradually" fucked.
Until the voting system changes (hah), we can push the Democrats to do better, and they'll surely listen... I'm voting Biden, but I'm sure as hell bitter about the situation.
My target is the dissolving of national borders, the elimination of nation-states, the breakdown of the petro-dollar, and collective ownership of all resources.
In the last couple weeks, I've noticed a sudden and dramatic shift in tone with how Biden is talked about on Lemmy as well as other corners of the internet I lurk on(e.g. this comment section). Before, it seemed like the general opinion was "he's nowhere close to my 1st choice, but the alternative is Trump." And now I feel like people are a lot quicker to jump to his defense and treat him like one of the better presidents of our lifetime.
I'm gonna admit that I'm a lot less up to date and informed about politics than I should be, but where did this recent pivot on Biden come from?
Election date is getting closer, methinks. People are slowly transitioning from voicing their complaints to reminding everyone of their two options, or even to appreciating all that Biden has accomplished.
I haven't seen things saying he's good. I have seen it said, and said, that he's better than expected. It's just that the bar is too low. He might possibly be one of the better president, though not inspiring, just because there aren't many good ones. FDR is good from what I know of him, though I'm sure there's still plenty to complain about. Other than that, we haven't really had any leftist president's in the US. The fact that Biden has mostly been friendly towards unions is a nice change from standard US practice.
Basically, he's not great. He's what we've got. He's also better than it would seem like he would be if you paid attention to his political past.
He's not been perfect by any means, and is seriously bungling the Gaza situation to put it mildly, but he's absolutely been the best and most successful president in my lifetime so far, especially when it comes to making progressive steps.
Note that that doesn't mean he's great, but yeah, the bar is just absurdly low
I haven't seen things saying he's good. I have seen it said, and said, that he's better than expected. It's just that the bar is too low.
He only needs to be marginally better than the alternative, so that's all the DNC will ever give us. Because giving us much better than the GOP might disrupt the donor money train.
I tend to point out to people that those complaining about Biden tend to be unable to accurately back up the vast majority of their complaints. They also go oddly silent when someone comes back with a reasoned argument.
He’s also better than it would seem like he would be if you paid attention to his political past.
This is what makes me think he's just the voice for someone else. His history is far too shit for even the mild amount of good that has happened in this admin.
Typically how this goes is that a centrist liberal Democrat will get the nomination, and then push the left and progressives to support them because this centrist liberal can be transacted with. Once in office, they'll stomp all over the left and progressives, do literally less than the bare minimum needed to support the idea that they are in fact trying to get support from progressives and leftists, and then demand more votes four years later so progressives and the left can all get taken for another ride by some rich asshole who has more in common with Elon Musk than they do with most Americans.
Clinton more or less promised this type of governance to the left, and only tried, all too tardily, to come around after it became clear that people might actually not show up for someone who openly hates them and literally does not share their politics, and that raw identity politics alone was not going to be enough to get her into government.
Biden, surprisingly, has out of nowhere done a variety of progressive things. He allowed himself to be pushed on student loans. Like actually though. He banned non-competes, which won't fix capitalism, but if you're a capitalist liberal who believes in transacting with the left and in properly managing markets through policy, then that was a 100% necessary move. And he did it, without even that much fanfare.
While he'll never be pro-labor in the way I would want to see in order to be a supporter, the fact that he is actually willing to engage in transactional politics with progressives/the left really does count for something to me. He's still a strikebreaker and I won't give him credit for being a pro-labor candidate, but being willing to cut deals on things here and there does mean he has something to offer.
I’ve always been on the side of “better than he gets credit for” and “as good as anyone can do in an impossible situation of dysfunctional politics”. I do believe he wants to be at least a bit closer to that yellow line
That’s not the same as thinking he’s one of the better in my lifetime, and most of my reaction is give credit where it’s sure, but also face reality. For all we criticize republicans about hiding from reality (such as global warming), why are we hiding from realities like dysfunctional politics and the limits of what one person can do?
I'm a member of a political party (not in the US, thank the Gods) and was also in one in a different country I lived in and to me it looks a lot like the Democrat Party has started activelly campaigning, so party members are out and about in, amongst other places, social media, spreading the word about their tribe, maybe with some professional help.
This also explains the increase in articles posted in forums here like World and News consistently pushing a "vote Biden or get apocalypse" message, as well as the swarming nature of downvotes for even the most well thought comment that pick holes in that political propaganda strategy (such comments are swamped by downvotes, but the ones at the top or near of threads will over time slowly get more upvotes until they're more than the downvotes).
It looks a lot like the kind of shit I saw in social media and newspaper forums in Britain during the Leave Referendum and that stuff later was discovered to have had massive manipulation from US-based interests via Cambridge Analytica and from Russia.
To clarify, you're saying it's folks from the popular instances trying to rebrand the conversation as "Biden is cool as fuck actually" as well as folks willing to just roll with that? Or am I misinterpreting?
(I gotta stop making comments on lemmy when I'm stoned and only have 2 brain cells)
First, a true principle and anything built on true principles are timeless. If pepperoni pizza is the Truth then quite frankly we should be eating it for the rest of our life.
Second, the founding fathers never said this. They created the Constitution as a living document. Also, almost every major problem in this country can be traced back to deviation from what the constitution set forth. "Congress shall issue money." J/k we're gonna have a private, un-auditable Federal Reserve print money out of thin air and loan it at interest.
Hillary Clinton might as well be one of the final bosses of neoliberalism. Not sure how much better things could be other than not having a full-blown rightoid Supreme Court (though RBG deserves a healthy amount of that blame for her hubris)
And yet she had a personal stake in things like universal healthcare. The worst case scenario if she won would have been the “center” not moving as far right, no fundamentalist supremes, and universal healthcare.
hillary?
that lying, murdering removed?
stand in the sand graves of 30000 libyans and ask if americans deserve anything good, their silence would be your answer
The really bad part is that carbonbriefs analysis is that the Biden line is only the laws Biden has passed or is about to pass, before the election not being revoked by Trump. So if Biden actually gets elected he can and probably will do more, bringing the actual results much closer to the Target line. However being able to create a graph, seems to hard for a modern PR team.
Not from US, so pardon my lack of knowledge on this, but I read some comments that mentioned that it will require the Congress to sign off on it, and that's still largely republican?
There are a lot of procoporate enviromental policies. Building renewables, EVs, public transport and so forth is pumping money into the economy, which cooperations love. Obviously it is not enough and the US has to activly lower consumption to do enough to keep climate change manageable. For that you need activists. However corportists like Biden are activly working on making real things in America, which is a hell of a lot better then the finance presidents before that. To be fair Trump is also a corporatist, but he does nothing for the enviroment.
Do we have to talk about how we move the Overton Window?
The Democrats can't do everything wanted when there's still a very real chance of losing the election. It's really that simple. If you want to move the Overton Window, you have to keep voting for the closest thing you want. When the Republicans know they can't win on their views, they will be forced to change. And congrats you have moved the Overton Window.
(yes yes I know the quote they won't abandon their views, they will abandon democracy, but as for now they still have a real chance of winning.)
If we need more convincing, why are we having stupid movements to disband the EPA? Because the republicans won elections. They moved the Overton window by winning elections.
this. how to vote yellow, but deluding yourself blue is unacceptable and not voting and getting red while you say "its not my fault, i wanted yellow" and live through the consequences.
We're just going to completely ignore Bill and Hillary's third way new Democrat movement, which actively pushed Republicans into being more radical I take it? The movement that actually allowed the current crop of neo fascist echoes to flourish?
The entire problem is this lack of ideology that directly ensures electoral losses.
Or rather I think you’re right about Bill and Hillary Clinton, but the cause and effect works the opposite of how you said.
In 1992 the democrats had won one presidential election in 24 years.
I think the violent betrayal of the antiwar left by the DNC in 1968 just turned too many politically active people away from the Democratic Party. Anyone who really cared probably had been gassed or beaten, or knew someone who had, in Chicago in 1968, and so decided - pretty understandably - fuck this game, I’m not playing.
And so what happened? Did we get the yellow line? Did the DNC suddenly realize, as OP swears he wants them to, that to attract votes they’d have to move to the left?
Fuck no. Instead we got Wall Street, the resurgence of wealth inequality as a defining characteristic of the American economy, death squads in Central America, Star Wars. Finally, a generation of continuous losing later, Clinton decided he could safely abandon the actual left since they weren’t interested in voting anyway, and just appeal to conservative-but-not-Nazi rich white people, and the new face of the Democratic Party was born. And, it worked.
And for one instant partway through that whole thing, an actually liberal Democratic candidate won, did some affirmatively great things, got a whole bunch of resistance from the right and not much support from the left, and then got beat out of a 2nd term because of lukewarm support from an American left wing that was too jaded to really realize that he wasn’t the same people who had cheated them out of actual progress in a recent primary they were still salty about. And so, when he lost, an idiot with fascist tendencies and no real government experience won, and ruined the fuckin world.
So no I don’t think the lesson of Clinton is “this lack of ideology.” I think the lesson of Clinton is, if you want the government to represent you, you need to work (in whatever way) to make sure it does, otherwise the most powerful military and economic power in the world will just be up for grabs for whoever feels like fighting hard enough to grab the wheel. And when that happens it’ll fuck up your day and many other people’s way way worse than what you were saying wasn’t worth voting for.
It'd help if young voters could be assed to show up even at their own share of the national population during primaries, nevermind at the dominating share they could easily capture if they spent any of the effort they dedicate to feel good marches and poster distributing to spending a couple hours at most to cast a primary ballot.
Especially in states that have gone in the direction of expanding ease of voting in the last few years, changing the party means changing the leadership of the party bit by bit, and that's done by voting for new leaders!
The actual answer is to vote in local elections because they matter more to the country than presidential elections. If you have a house and Senate that vote the way you want the president doesn't actually matter that much. That's how Republicans undermine a Democratic president, and why they gerrymander.
You vote for the yellow by not letting red think they have a chance of winning, making room for a candidate better than blue in the future elections. Democracy is an ongoing effort, not a magic thing that happens on election day.
Then you're not doing enough political activism to make people confident that their vote matters, and that a vote for blue is the only effective way to vote for Ranked Choice voting, which is in turn the only way of giving anyone other than red or blue a real chance in the future.
Somebody forgot to write a 1,000,000 word essay on how Republicans are worse then democrats before submitring one morsel of criticism against the Democratic party. Thus you are a secret Republican Russian.
No you don't get to ask for Ranked Choice voting to solve the spoiler effect. The spoiler effect must hover over your head every time you're in the voting booth. THIS. IS. DEMOCRACY. MANIFEST!
I see you left the voting booth without a big enough smile, it will be 10000% entirely your fault if the democrats weak willed attempts don't work out.
No you don't get to have any input. Taxation without representation is how this country was founded silly. This is just how it works here. Maybe when you grow up, you will realize the real adults, the real americans are the only ones responsible enough to control the nation until their last gasp on this planet. Of course it is right to continue shifting the Overton window to the right! This is reality sweetheart, maybe you're just a idealistic dreamer with to high of expectations.
Now smile really REALLY big and say "Joe Biden is the most pro-union president in American history" 20 times in the mirror before you go to work your 3 part time jobs.
Now smile really REALLY big and say “Joe Biden is the most pro-union president in American history”
He's the most pro-union President in my lifetime. Which is to say he's not aggressively sabotaging and dismantling every union group his national police agencies can get their hooks into.
This is the gold standard for a modern Democratic President. A guy who won't show up with a crowbar and knee-cap you as you're trying to move 40 years of accumulated economic baggage.
Given that OP constantly concern trolls how awful biden is, id say that criticism of them wouldnt be out of line. There is a rather large contingent on the internet, and here on lemmy in particular, out to spread FUD to demoralize the american populace in hopes of discouraging them from voting. With that in mind, and considering the same profiles spread the same nearly exclusively anti-biden propaganda, and the same exact ones jump in to the others defense... methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Everyone was already murdered in 2016 and the Republicans did Genocide + nuclear world war 3. How can they possibly do that again if we are already dead?
I agree that Bernie would have gotten more Republican Voters to cross the aisle and vote for him instead, but...
She still had more votes than Trump, she performed better in the primaries than Bernie. "Nobody wanted her" is a pretty shallow view of what goes on in the USA.
honestly wouldn’t take much more to convince me that this post is pro-MAGA propaganda. its doing a great job of perfectly tugging the hairs needed to split the vote.
this post benefits no one who will be negatively impacted by the catastrophe of climate change and rising sea levels, and benefits every oil exec, all while posing perfectly in the environmentalist limelight. conservative astroturfing, in other words.
We can reach the yellow line, it would just require telling the fossil fuel industry to get fucked, and rapidly investing in green energy, reducing waste, and probably stepping on the toes of the Millitary Industrial Complex.
Nuclear war or zombie apocalypse could be the yellow line. Aside from that, there’s no way to stop humans from using energy to improve their lives, and that’s a good thing.
Biden tried to do quite a lot better than the blue line initially, and Manchin unexpectedly blocked the first bill in the senate after it passed the house. They had to go back and redo a whole scaled-back version that was the actual blue-line-predicted version.
My overall feeling is, even the yellow line is nowhere near enough, but our current political class is bent on self-destruction because they don't actually grasp how bad it is (and will not, until it's even more too late than the too late it already is). But still, reducing it to the blue line is fuckin amazing within the current environment in Washington. The question should be "how do we get it lower than that now" as opposed to "how exhaustively can we shit on the guy who got the first round of changes done."
I firmly believe it is possible …. Or was. We may already be past the agreed limit to temperature rise trying to avoid the worst consequences.
If the target are the political ovens, like all electric personal vehicles by 2035 and net zero carbon by 2050, yes it can be done. It’s not, but it can be. We’re at a good state of technology now where we can get most of the way there just by rolling it out.
For such a remarkably smart and charismatic person, she has an uncanny knack for presenting things in the most damaging way possible for Democrats. It's not what she says, it's how she says it. Like when she basically said her goal was to put most of the rural population in PA out of work. She was trying to say we need to transition to clean energy, and she could have said "by creating new, high-paying jobs in rural areas that right now depend on coal." Or something; I'm not a speech writer. And politicians lie constantly; all she needed to assuage her conscience was a vague plan to do a feasibility study on locating wind farms in coal country, or locating solar panel manufacturing plants there, and retraining coal miners. But what she said was almost literally "we're going to stop using coal," which, if you're a coal miner, sounds exactly like "I want to destroy your livelihood."
She'd have made an excellent president; she's quite a bit more center than Obama, but she'd still have done a fantastic job. If only she could stop putting her foot in her mouth and giving conservatives soundbites to sink her with.
You're getting downvotes, but I'm inclined to agree with you: she tends to do the party more harm than good.
all she needed to assuage her conscience was a vague plan to do a feasibility study on locating wind farms in coal country
Hell, I would have been happy if she bothered to campaign in "flyover states" that she was weak in as much as she preached to the choir in stronghold states. And, you know, not push trump as a pied piper candidate.
Remember when they tried to put Jill Stein in prison just for showing up to speak about her campaign in 2016? Oh, what was she wanting to discuss? Ah, mostly the environment and how we need to make some changes to protect it.
Becausez unlike a manipulative populist, she knows that there is no reality where we meet the yellow line. It's sad, but true. Complaining about it just makes you sound like an idiot
There's no political reality. You need to get money out of politics first, and that's in itself is almost impossible.
But with an ideal government and president (which sadly couldn't exist in current political situation) it can be achieved.
This is the US we're talking about, and the other choice is a literal piece of shit covered in orange paint who should be in prison. Not sure what you think you're accomplishing with this comment.
So like, democracy played out and it turns out people thought Biden was the best choice, so he became president. What exactly is your plan for the election this year with that in mind? Who are you voting for? Because unfortunately the will of the people is still with Biden.
I tried my best to get Bernie on the ballot but people didn't want him, and so now I have to be pragmatic, and vote for Biden again so we don't descend into christofascism and have no chance whatsoever at fixing the planet. I would appreciate it if you considered doing the same.