He’s actually been surprisingly effective

If you like him then you get him re-elected. I won't be voting for him a second time.

I care about material results; my future, my family’s future, my neighbors’ futures, the future of the people who live in this country, and this world.

Same bud. And Biden was never the guy who was going to do that for me. Where were you during the 2020 primaries? Where have you been ever since?

Biden doesn't accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden's family doesn't accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden's campaign doesn't accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. The DNC leadership doesn't accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries don't accept blame for tipping the scale in their favor. Moderaters and political analysts don't accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People like you letting those people get away with that and focusing on telling me to be quiet and vote for Biden don't accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor.

I don't accept blame for it either.

And if the Republicans get power this time around with a plan to remove all of our rights to hold even fair elections (project 2025) there won’t be any negotiating.

Sounds like the 2020 primaries were pretty important.

You're trying to trump despair with reason bud. Doesn't work like that.

They need to be crushed.

Then the way to do that is find a candidate in the primaries who appeals to everyone you need to make that happen. It was never a secret Biden was not that person.

It's a free country though. Feel free to go with whatever pitiful strategy you want. But you won't get the pro-corporate genocide supporting brain dead geriatric with my help. Let me know when you're ready to negotiate.

The difference being people voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries over much better people. I'm not going to reward that behavior again.

Can you help me understand what Biden meant when he shouted "We finally beat Medicare!" I found that confusing.

The DNC went to court and said they're not obligated to follow their own rules. The judge dismissed the case against them based on that.

If they turn around and claim they have a legal obligation to follow their own rules it would mean they perjured themselves in court.

If you're referring to the "uncommitted" votes in the primaries those people aren't in the middle bud.

Did you watch the debate? Can you explain to me what Biden meant by "We finally beat Medicare!" What was he trying to say? Was he trying to say "We finally beat Medicare for all!"? Because that would make sense to me.

If Biden loses, you can be certain, they were not responsible, they are most likely less than 1% of voters

Nah, they'll blame us the same way they blame us for losing the 2016 general election. We are simultaneously too small to matter but able to turn the tide of the largest election in the United States.

wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods

Odd. I'm getting called a tankie because I just won't vote for Biden (or Trump). Someone must have gotten confused.

Right? Who knew refusing to vote for someone you don't support is more damaging than storming the capitol.

are doing more damage than the people voting for the fascist party.

Hooooooly fuck this gets 27 upvotes? There it is folks. Leftists are doing more damage by refusing to vote than the people who stormed the capitol. This hot take brought to you by lemmy.

A vote for a candidate who cannot win is wasted.

Then it sounds like moderates need to be convinced a vote for a pro-corporate, genocide supporting, establishment geriatric is a waste of a vote.

You see the irony here right?

Hey if you're trying to tell me Biden is a shit candidate you'll get no argument from me. I remain furious at anyone who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.

Notice how Biden says the right things all the time

Are you talking about during the debate? "We finally beat Medicare!" ain't that.

And if you think Biden said the right things about the rail strike or protests around the weapon shipments to Israel you're living in some kind of grand delusion that excludes millions of people you're depending on to get Biden re-elected.

Again you are not fully empathizing with people's experience under... whoever for the last 20ish years. Some "young" people who are now in their 30s and 40s never really recovered from the financial crisis. Each day is already torture working a dead end job with shit pay where customers scream at them only to return to a tiny apartment with rent creeping up every single month.