Trump wins.
Trump wins.
Donald Trump has 267 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House and is leading in key races left to be called, including Michigan and Wisconsin.
Oops! All fascists.
I don't want to offend any American here, but.........what the fuck is wrong with your entire country?
Why put this on all of us when only 1/3 of the
countryeligible voters in this country voted for him? When taking voter turnout into consideration (a third of the eligible voters didn't vote).Eligible voters' results:
34% Trump
32% Harris
33% Did not vote
Don't put this on the other half of the country that abhors him.
2/3 didn't vote against him.
Personally, it kinda feels like a weight's been lifted. Now I can let go of the last shred of pretense of this country being anything other than a fat fucking joke.
I'm now aware that the US contains 71 million fascists, racists, sexist, bigots, or a combination of all 4.
I stopped by Walmart today and spent the entire time painfully aware that I was... surrounded.
I'm with you there. I mean don't get me wrong, I sure do feel depressed and also morbidly curious/looking forward to the upcoming schadenfreude, but yeah just accepting that America is really a racist country and it's not going to change.
Just going to bide my time here since I'm too old to move even with a tech job and encourage my kid to go to college abroad.
I was really hoping this sentiment would take hold the first time Trump won and it would awaken people to the boiling pot mass charade we are in.
It did not.
I do not have much hope for this time around.
Every time something terrible happens, we expect that at least we got to learn from the experience.
And then...
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, "Yes, represent me."
Fuck this country.
Fuckimg depressing that probably 1/3rd of people didn't vote. And of the 2/3 of those that did - most of them voted Trump.
So basically a minimum of 1/3 but more likely more than 1/2 of Americans wanted Trump and the Republican Party to represent them. They voted for:
- Russian dominion over Ukraine and further aggression on its neighbours
- Chinese genocides and aggression on its neighbours
- mass deportation of vulnerable and productive members of society (he calls them immigrants)
- men controlling women's health and avoidable deaths
- oppression of LGBTQ+
- racism
- fraud
- corruption
Why? Because they believe that Trump is going to make them richer.
Nice people.
This SCOTUS is the real issue. By the end of this term, Trump will have appointed 7 of 9 justices if Thomas and alito take the opportunity to retire.
I'm trans and I'm terrified, terrified for my queer friends and family, terrified for Ukraine and Palestine, and terrified for the planet.
If you didn't vote or voted for this piece of shit, fuck you. If you voted for him, you deserve the massive inflation and shit he's about to put you through.
I’m straight and white, and I am also terrified for my queer friends and family. I figured Israel was always a lost cause but Ukraine is going to be so fucking stupid and painful when they get starved after we offered support.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, FUCK YOU
Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think. So is Putin, but this is not as clear cut. Palestine is fucked, but it already was. Vance even said something along not interfering between Israel and Iran, so it's about equally fucked, maybe even less fucked.
We live in a world with skewed media picture of what's happening, and the distortion by Trump people and the distortion by DNC people do not cancel each other out. In some ways they work in the same direction.
Only the biggest and rawest facts should really be used in the comparison. What both have actually done in full. Not what they promise, not project 2025, just the real things. Weapons, money, territory, and not a token amount with some promise, but all. Same way you pay for groceries. Politicians are like shoplifters.
Harris got 15 mill less than biden. Trump got same number of votes basically.
They just slept
They just slept
Look at this snoozer. Absolutely sleepymaxxing. A bedtimepilled pillowcel. Got a blanket under his head just lost in the sleepy sauce.
Being that I'm not transgender or American I don't think I can personally understand everything you're feeling right now. All I can say is be strong for yourself, and your friends and family; we all need to support each other if we are going to get through this.
And a double fuck you to anyone who voted for Trump.
Not even there.
All I have to say:
What....
The...
Fuck....
The only silver lining is that maybe the Republicans will just forget about trans people until it’s time to stoke the hate again for the next election.
But yeah, very disappointing result. The country was willing to vote in a twice impeached convicted felon (whose sentencing will be postposed indefinitely, I suspect) over a gasp! brown woman.
Exit polls show 12% of lgbtq voters voted for Trump. 12% of lgbtq voters voted to be jailed, castrated, and discriminated against by their country. That is not only terrifying but also embarrassing.
Jews for Hitler vibes.
It didn't go well for them either. Being "one of the good ones" won't save you.
My little vote was a piss in the ocean, but the DEMOCRAT PARTY had the power to run a good candidate, to fund a GREAT CAMPAIGN, but instead, they put Trump in power. It was so bad it has to be deliberate.
And they got you to blame ME for it. Your fellow citizen.
The power elites win.
PS. I voted for Kamala, but I hate this shit of you blaming individual voters, like they aren't just trying to vote for a better life for themselves.
Well, provided you won't get gas-chambered or something, there's one good thing in this event - the electorate has shown that there's no way DNC behaves in this arrogant "we know better and we won't let anyone other than our bosses near power" and wins. First in 2016, second in 2024.
Then the next election might actually be the last with the existing system in your country. And this one might have been the last with the two old parties competing. I think it's nice. Provided, again, ... .
What about the party that lost the election, quite possibly by choosing to enable a genocide further, as it deemed that more important than winning the election? What about the party, that chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy, as that would anger its billionaire donors?
Why blame the people instead of the Democratic party leaders, who remained steadfast at the side of the elites, leaving the people to be peddled to by Trump?
chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy
Come on. The party in office when inflation came back down. Inflation rate is near normal now. Blame them for not communicating effectively or blame voters for looking at cumulative inflation over four years, rather than resulting inflation
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I've been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn't any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We're a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we've answered.
Dying with thunderous "patriotism". If there was a nuke that could paint the affected area in an American flag, it would be used.
We didnt give it away, we actively cast it into an active volcano
This will open up doors for his sons to run for president. I don't know when but Eric trump will run and so will the other snot nose brat baron. Who knows when but it'll happen
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
I used to be the guy who said things like: you can't just call a whole country stupid. Bush was bad, but mistakes happen. Okay, bush was bad, what makes you think his son is better? Got it, so you learned that he's not better. You voted a second time? Okay that's kinda stupid if you ask me. And now? What are you even supposed to say anymore? A bag of rocks can at least be hucked at some american
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Apparently 51% of us or more are far dumber than a bag of rocks.
Aaand have the worst aim possible when it's actually needed. USA is known for guns, ffs, you had so many chances >_>
We deserve to die. We really do. I wish my race was dead I wish my gender was dead. It's over
The real question is "if they are so stupid why did you lose?" Why didn't your superior intellect lead you to victory?
Because stupid people don't listen to logic or reasoning.
Good point. The stupids aligned with the evils on this one.
They are also american. The lead brain doesn't stop at the colour of their team
I hate this timeline
THIS is the bad place!
Forking orange shirtball
Looks like Trump is going to touch us all in the bad place.
Hopefully Chidi and Eleanor will save us all soon.
Even Jason figured this one out.
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse... packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go...
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there's any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There's a good chance for another major pandemic, and we're passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we've fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US's place, but they're stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they're struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They're barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we're going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we've been edging into WWIII. Trump's senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he'll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We're done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won't make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi's paradox. It'd be a bigger question if we weren't rushing toward our own extinction.
And it hates us ❤️
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. I’ll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
If it helps you out-- GCC, late-stage capitalism, non-concern about microplastics, growing ocean acidification, the ongoing destruction upon coral reefs and natural fish populations, etc, were already kicking our arses, and now THIS.
c/collapse
r/collapseDudes, we're friggen' done after this last, pathetic attempt of an election.
Must have been a good game, though, eh!? :D
America is a country full of stupid people.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That's true, but whataboutism doesn't help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn't get any more obvious than that.
Thanks for trying to make us feel better, but...
That is simply not true. The extremely varied political landscape of Europe is not comparable to the US...
51% of voters at least.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. 😭
Whatever helps you cope.
Now watch the effects ripple through the world. Now that a guy like him can be elected, politicians around the world will take note and use the same playbook. And it will probably work.
We already felt it in France with the 2016 US election, I can't imagine what the next decade will be like...
As a Canadian who has watched our politics slowly try to mimic America's, I'm terrfieid. As it is our conservative provincial premier is ripping out bike lanes on city streets that have apartments being built right now that offers significantly more bike parking than car parking. Its backwards progress, a signifcant amount of the lanes were just built and now we gotta spend more money ripping them out because some fat conservative feels offended he is too unfit to cycle.
I'm fearful for my trans family and friends. Poilievre and Trump is a terrible combination. We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
We're getting it in Canada soon. Or in what's left of Canada once fascist USA has finished with us. We have the most extreme, reactionary, hateful Conservative leader ever, who openly panders to fascists, and he's some 20 points ahead of anyone else in the polls. My worst fear was him coming to power with Trump over the border, but that looks like what's going to happen. I do not understand people.
I see everyone pointing the finger at the wrong place. We have two corrupt privately run parties. First past the Post literally puts us here. Places like Sweden won’t have this problem because they allow their politics to represent nuance rather than two corporate parties. Meanwhile, the UK which DOES have FPTP, is watching NHS get eroded by the same brand of neoliberalism that strip-mined the entire American economy.
I fear we've lost the chance to move to something better than FPTP and WTA.
Germany will follow suit and we will get a conservative hardliner (and sexist boomer) with CDU's Merz who once voted to keep rape in a marriage legal. He will pave the way for the real fascists from the AfD, who will feel a lot more emboldened now.
So as someone from Hungary, we've been speedrunning this shit, and the way out seems to be that you need to absolutely publicly destroy the current Democratic party, and get something, anything, that promises positive change as an alternative to fascism. I'm not saying necessarily third party, but at least an internal revolution in the DNC with the new people publicly disclaiming the current people and the status quo.
Trust me, you don't want 15 years of Trump like we had.
I'm pretty sure it's going to feel a lot like the 1940s.
Watch as Australia votes in a corrupt copper next year for prime minister. Making the same bullshit promises.
Qld just shit the bed with the state election, that was bad enough, federal will be a shitshow :(
Canada has one lined up too.
I swear to god if bolsonaro is elected again here I'm gonna blackout drink for the first time in a decade
I don't wanna hear any more moralizing and complaining from young leftists who can't even be bothered to perform their civic duty and vote. Shut the fuck up. What happens to Gaza in 2025 is on you, not Harris or the Democrats. And when you bitch about the genocide, remember that you facilitated it. You gave up your duty and gave Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, a clear path.
I voted so I'm sure you won't mind hearing from this leftist. The problem isn't people who didn't vote. The problem is how the Democrats ran their campaign. They continue to punch left to try to appeal to moderate right-wingers who will never vote for them!
Instead, they should have punched right and tried to appeal to their base on the left. Even the "scary far left people" like me.
How to do that? They should have come out against the genocide in Israel instead of sicking the police on the fucking protesters.
But sure blame random individuals and what they chose to do. That sure sounds like The first step in fixing a large structural problem. /s
Not that it matters anyway, we won't be voting again not for real anyway.
To be fair those missing nearly 20 million voters who didn't show up weren't all or even mostly leftist and progressives. They're your bog standard Democrats and independents that fucked everyone over.
Yeah but they're not here arguing with us.
You've learned nothing. If you can't win against a convicted felon and rapist with a national party infrastructure and billions in the bank you are a completely useless party.
Enjoy being relegated to the dust bin of history with the Wigs now that it's clear to even laymen that the king has no clothes.
Yeah it fucking is; they ran a fucking campaign that ignored the anti-genocide movement and instead decided they would win by campaigning with God damn Liz FUCKING Cheney and Laura FUCKING Bush instead of God damn Palestinian Americans and the anti-war movement. They wanted to win by going to the center, and they once again fucking LOST doing it, and it's somehow the God damn left's fault? Maybe, when your candidate loses with a strategy that the left tells you is a bad fucking idea, it's time for you to shut the fuck up, not them.
they ran a fucking campaign that ignored the anti-genocide movement
They didn't! They sent the cops to beat the shit out of them and called us antisemites.
Like if the dems stopped the genocide, every person who was activated enough to risk their safety and future protesting would be doing everything in their power to stop Trump from resuming it.
Blaming the left for the party going right, alienating the BIPOC and queers voters she swore to protect as she made friends with the people who want to harm BIPOC and queers.
Yeah it's our fault we weren't too confident in someone who uses minorities as useful idiot pawns for a game of Chess she doesn't wanna win.
Funny how you never blame moderate republicans who refused to switch their vote.
Maybe you should appeal to someone else next time?
Warm regards to those communities and users commenting the "both bad" mantra for months. Going to be a whole lot of surprised pikachus today
What if he ushers in world peace? Will that be on them or on Trump or will that be because of you and whatever DNC stooge is being anointed next?
You reap what you sow, America.
It's going to be wild seeing the mass round-up of all the Latinos who voted for him.
you likely won't see it, as freedom of the press will likely be one of the first things to go out the window
Look how tight the labor market got when COVID took a million people out of the workforce. Trump's talking about deporting 10 million workers and customers. You will absolutely see it, although it may be hard to connect the dots.
I know several. They think they’ll be spared for their green cards and citizenships. They don’t realize they are not Americans in the new sense of the word, and the rule of law has been suspended by the Supreme Court. They’re just further down the line. A fascist government needs “an enemy within”. They’ll keep churning through groups, redefining the enemy to hold on to power.
¿Qué esperabas? ¡Habla más alto! ¡No puedo oírte mientras te golpean en el autobús y te deportan!
You dumb fucks.
And all of the accounts that I've been tagging here for the past several months doing everything they fucking could to get Trump elected? Nowhere to be seen. What a shock.
I'm one of the people you tagged in a self-righteous snit. Just had a ban end.
Genocide is still wrong. Democrats never had any business supporting it. And I'm not leaving just because of your veiled accusations that people who don't like genocide are Russian bots.
Why should Dimitri log into any of his burner accounts? The job is done.
Lemmy's universe is fairly small potatoes for an election this big
Centrists will never admit that Netanyahu played them. It can never be the fault of the center. Ever. So any dissent cannot be from people of conscience that actually dislike what the party was doing. That's absurd! Such people cannot actually exist, as centrists' positions are self-evidently good in all cases! It makes perfect sense that an international conspiracy tanked the election by pretending to have a problem with genocide on a fledgling platform full of angry centrists who have only one policy they'll never abandon. That really can be the only possible conclusion.
We have lost, democracy has lost, today the American people have lost to tyranny. All the Americans can do now is collect themselves and reorganize, the next four years will be the toughest years in American history and its effects will ripple across the world.
the next four years
We really may have just voted for the last time. I'll be thrilled if this only sucks for the next 4 years.
Really though we're fucked for the next 30-40 years based on the Supreme Court alone. Expecting Roberts to retire while Trump can name a younger, more bat-shit replacement. Possibly the same for Thomas and Alito.
I'm expecting 2-3 retirements as well to be replaced by true believer Christian fascists in their 30s. This Supreme Court has been terrible but if this comes to pass we will truly be fucked until the end of the Republic.
It won't be the last vote. Elections will just become more and more of a sham as Republicans restore white "democracy". But the show won't end, and it'll be hard to say where we reached the point of no return. IMHO it could have been as early as Nixon.
That's if it's only 4 years....
today the American people have lost to tyranny
Welcomed tyranny*
"Sure we're all fucked, but at least by not voting I defended the white man's natural right to rule! We were never gonna vote for an uppity black woman who's better than the alternative by every conceivable measure, and the Democratic party failed us for not acknowledging that. If we ever get elections again, maybe they'll have learned their lesson!" - non-voting racist sexist "democrats" in the USA
The next 4 years will be the most difficult for years so far....
I'm in shock... Good luck to you, American Democracy. It was nice knowing ya.
This time there's no saying you didn't know. This time there's no saying "well more voters wanted different". You get what you get, apparently enough people fall for "look over there" types of distractions in politics.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years. I know digital-age low-information fascism is on its way to Canada and I am definitely not ready.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years.
And all social progress has been set back 75 years.
90 years and in Germany.
This would be a very opportune time for the fediverse to be flourishing, because i dont see any single private company being able to provide a factual flow of information without getting blocked in the US.
Any folks on reddit wondering about this?
Kind of an unsatisfying but still well deserved "TOLD YOU SO" moment... I knew those fuckers would be moronic enough to vote for this shit faced fascist again, while everyone told me to expect a Harris landslide... The fact that everyone talked about fucking grocery prices, tech research, housing prices, kids, abortions, and other (in the grand scheme of things) irrelevant bullshit that won't matter anymore, while we're literally about to seal the deal on our fate as a species, tells you clearly that no one wants to understand where we're headed and what's at stake.
But since nothing matters anymore, here's some more predictions from yours truly:
- The US will turn into a fascist state (Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY... ☝🏻🤡)
- Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good. The only chance here would be if NATO went in to liberate Ukraine before Trump is inaugurated, but neither Biden nor the rest of the West is going to have the balls for that.
- Moldova will follow right after.
- Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
- NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- Far right countries in Europe will join Russia.
- Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
TLDR: Nothing fucking matters anymore, we're done. Thanks, you dumb fucks.
It's going to be a world war. They wrote my whole family's fucking epitaph with this election.
Who's going to war with whom? To me it seems more likely that all the countries are going to embrace totality peacefully.
Eh.... I don't know, man. I also see a darker future, but if Trump didn't do anything like this in 2016, it won't happen in 2024. He's older, he'll just want to play golf.
Edit: Downvoted. I just hope that the repubs get almost nothing of value done like they did in 2016-2020. Sucks that the abortion rights were taken away, sure. But they couldn't repeal Obamacare or build their precious wall, all because they're a bunch of incompetents. I hope it's the same case this time around. I'm not too optimistic, but I can only hope.
Trump alone isn't as harmful as the republicans he represents. Trump will sign the bills the republicans bring him and he will mostly appoint republicans to positions of power and issue orders they tell him to.
On the plus side, liberals might come back from brunch and help resist certain bipartisan policies again. Deportations actually went down under Trump.
Hopefully he gets a hole in one >ω<
A liberal making measurable predictions? That's new.
Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good.
- Genocide in Ukraine. "get fucked" isn't very easy to measure.
Moldova will follow right after.
- Invasion of/genocide in Moldova are measurable
Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- Invasion of Taiwan. China invading China isn't that farfetched.
The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- TSMC will fall or stop exporting chips.
The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
Come on, that's like predicting the sun will rise.
NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- How do we measure this? Reduction in military spending? Countries leaving NATO?
Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- Invasion and annexation of the baltic states
The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
Predicting a train that's going off a cliff will continue to go off that cliff.
OK, we have 5, maybe 6 testable predictions. Do you want to give a timeframe so if they don't happen, you can go back an analyze what caused you to believe these things at the time?
A liberal making measurable predictions? That's new.
I don't care about free markets.
How do we measure this? Reduction in military spending? Countries leaving NATO?
The US potentially leaves, and / or NATO members won't actually uphold their promise to defend something like the Baltics, or only through token measures, moving the red line from Russia's side further and further.
Predicting a train that's going off a cliff will continue to go off that cliff.
Oh please. Even now you're unsure on whether you want to call me a doomer or agree with my points. A bit earlier and it would've been the former.
I voted for Harris but I can't help but feel democrats did this to themselves. We've held a decent amount of power over the last 20 years but have done shockingly little. Just slowly letting our country dry and shrivel, leaving people increasingly desperate. Times like these make people seek change, ANY CHANGE, including voting for a dictator. Status-quo politics will fail every time during times like these. Who wants to die slowly?
All authoritarian countries are born from desperation. Chinese communist party, Nazi Germany, the USSR, Iran, North Korea and soon America.
They absolutely did. Harris couldn't even commit to keeping Lina Khan on board.
Democrats are allergic to success.
Yeah, I think a lot of dem voters have grown really apathetic. Democrat leaders hardly do anything so there's a sense of pointlessness. It feels like their pitch is "we're gonna fix everything by doing nothing! Trust us guys it's gonna work this time!". Trump says a bunch of bat shit crazy stuff that at least makes seem hes committed. I think that's the key here.
Because Democrats wanted to not look partisan instead of actually doing something with their majority
Exactly this. And if you point it out, you'll get all these reasons why it was impossible for Dems because of X, Y and Z, but deathly silence when it comes to "well but why were the Rs able to accomplish so much"? They're managing to get people into office and do things while the Dems constantly flounder - which leads to even worse election results as constituents lose more faith in their ability to lead.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Dems are ineffectual, so they struggle to win elections, so they struggle to have the power to do anything, thus looking like continued failures and ensuring more losses down the line.
The whole party needs to be severely gutted and reborn. Or a third party needs to rise up and start speaking for the average progressive voice that's not being heard anymore.
It leads to apathetic voters too, democrats who dont bother voting because they figure it won't change anything.
The dems have an identity crisis, they are so aggravatingly centrist in an attempt to swing votes, that they've become incredibly passive in their approach. Republicans are determined to completely restructure America according to their ideology. Dems are so politically inclusive in their approach, trying to cater to "far left", left, centrist AND slight right conservative that they are paralyzed concerning policy. The very best thing they can do is a 5% tax cut for the working class? Seriously?
I think if they went further left with candidates like Bernie, existing dems would be much more compelled to go out and vote. Right now they have zero commitment, almost none of Biden's policies came to fruition.
Watching the count last night, I remarked to my friend that Democrats lost people in the middle—the undecided voters whose existence I struggled to understand a few months ago—because they don't actually have any principles and convictions; if they did, they'd eventually have to address issues that neoliberal capitalists want people to ignore, so they remain ineffectual and uninspiring.
Thus, white middle-class centrists who don't actually comprehend the threat to minority groups drifted back into their nostalgic dreams of 'smaller government' and 'lower taxes', regardless of being presented no evidence those things will be delivered. In their minds, those theoretical ideals are more exciting than another establishment Democrat with no values who does nothing to speak to their woes.
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn't even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman's 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again...
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people's conditions, they'd have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren't in the bag for Trump.
Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we'll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it's honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
I don't really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I'm not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around?
There's always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
"Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure," per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
Source: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections
We still don't know what their "little secret" is.
Congratu-fucking-lations
It feels like the Lion King but Scar killed Simba as well.
Fuck conservatives always and forever.
Alternatively: stop fucking conservatives and end their bloodlines.
Not only are we in the worst timeline....
I actually don't have anything to add.
How did we get here? And even more terrifying how many people that actually went to go vote were surprised that Biden wasn't on the ticket?!?!
And let me just go ahead and get myself in trouble. Fuck you every single person that didn't vote for Kamala Harris that was eligible.
SPECIFICALLY...
Well I guess I don't want to get in trouble that bad.
Yes, this is the fucking bullshit we live with. Due to our winner-take-all insanely backwards system....
I'm not technically allowed to properly criticize whomever didn't show up to the polls.
Whatever groups they may or may not belong to.
Yeah I'm sounding like a motherfucking Maga bitch right now.....
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? ( if and only if those are demographics that didn't show up to vote )
Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration. Has nothing to do with me and everything do with them
Edit:
For what it's worth I'm terribly sorry for not including the Latino vote that went to Trump
Ultimately it doesn't really matter which particular demographic I blame because the truth is I'm not blaming anyone in particular.
Fuck America, fuck me, and fuck Trump
And there it is, the fascist.
Really weird how everything liberals accuse leftists of is a projection.
Oh yeah, blame the black and brown people for seeing genocide as a red line in who to vote for. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration.
lmao scratched liberal moment.
Why not blame whites, both men and women, who actually voted for Trump, despite the dems abandoning their base to appeal to them?
It's everyone's fault. We both know it.
Btw i specifically said : anyone not voting for Harris. Including POSSIBLY those demographics
The 80 year cycle reset is upon us.
Well, the only thing we can do now is hope it won't be as bad as we all fear it could be. That and try to come up with a plan in case our worst fears are realized.
I think the rest of the world needs to start isolating the US. The US has too much power and poor leadership. Other countries need to find ways to reduce their exposure to and reliance on the US. I think the best way to do that is for the world to come together and create an independent global reserve currency. As long as the dollar is the world currency, the US will have all the power.
Monero
Now, since bOtH SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE, watch as Democrats file 600 lawsuits and scream about election fraud for 4 years, never once acknowledging the fact that there's been no evidence of any /s
There has been voter intimidation, poll worker intimidation etc
I'm sure there was but highly doubt there was enough to really matter, not to mention democrats at least lie in ways that don't assume everyone is a fucking moron.
I'm personally totally cool accepting that the majority of my countrymates are selfish pieces of shit. It totally fits with own experiences and the things I've seen on the news. I no longer have to wonder. Also probably true for most of the rest of the world, I dunno
I'm with you. As I said earlier today, just watch how selfishly and dangerously people drive. That tells you everything you need to know. When people can get away with it, they'll treat your life and livelihood like it doesn't matter in the least. They'll kill a stranger to arrive 30 seconds earlier.
This is what happens when justice tries to not look partisan. Garland fucked up. The 14th amendment was supposed to prevent this. What the fuck is going on
Garland fucked up.
He did the only thing he was hired to do. Stall so Democrats could run as "Not Trump" again.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary's 65 million and Obama's 66 million, she's gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some 'swing' states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump's currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn't a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we'll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again.
I don't agree with this. Republican majority States are still over represented. They just happened to also win the popular vote this time. The scenario of Democrats winning popular vote but not electoral is still more likely than it happening to Republicans
Nevada, a swing state(well, supposed to be one, it seemingly didn't get close enough to count) was won by bigger margins then states like Minnesota, or New Jersey(which was a 'safe blue' state). Illinois shifted massively and Harris only one it by 7.5 points. Virginia might be slightly sub-Hillary margins. New Mexico would have broken the swing state margin if not for RFK Jr.
If you gave Harris the minimal number of votes to flip the Swing States and nothing else, she'd win the EC, but not the Popular Vote due to Trump bumping up his margins everywhere and cutting into blue state margins
Wanna know what happens next? Check out history repeats itself, or any of the Project 2025 analyses.
Edit: Look on the bright side, at least we won't have to take time from our busy schedules to vote four years from now.
Oh, there will probably still be an election. It will just be like the ones in Russia that are performative.
I didn't follow the election really since I as an European aren't affected that much by it.
However I was pretty sure Kamala would win.
I am shocked right now and my faith in humanity dropped again....
What is wrong with people?
I can't understand them. Does nobody care about the facts anymore?
since I as an European aren't affected that much by it.
I mean the whole world is fucked, but the US is fucked even more.
Does nobody care about the facts anymore?
We created giant server farms to come up with hallucinations and lies on demand, using the equivalent power draw of entire countries.
as a European aren't affected that much by it
I'm hoping, against all odds, that you're right
Spoiler: they're not
Fascism is quite popular here. We have a lot of racists. We have a lot of uneducated people. We have a lot of self-interested petty-bourgeoise.
Who should be referred to as “rapist felon” from here on out.
Unable to express my pain, anger and sadness right now…
This is a clown timeline, absolutely maddening to see the world fall into the hands of fascists so quickly. I was so active this election cycle, more than ever, and I had prayed to a god I don't even believe in, but alas the US has chosen its' path, and that path is one history will remember.
Fuck.
Fuck.
that's it. i guess it was fun while it lasted
Fitting.
Fuck this place.
Is there a lemmy community similar to this one that allows discussion posts? This community only allows link sharing.
/c/[email protected] is the way to link communities
Disgusting.
I'd like to take this moment to shine the spotlight on [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected]
The mods of this community (and indeed this whole instance) demonstrated that pulling out all stops to censor even the most valid and well-worded criticisms of Kamala Harris's absolute shit, right wing platform are a recipe for disaster.
I hope it's clear now: If your supposed leftist candidate can't even run to the left of the GOP, they are going to lose. This is what happens when corporatists take over your entire party and you jump to their defense, pulling out all the stops against actual leftists, trying to raise the alarm that our party has been stolen because you're a stupid identity politics dupe.
Based
Calling it now, the mail in ballot counting will call it for Harris, and we're gonna have another Jan. 6
Unfortunately, I think the spread is too far for her to have a chance. And if she tries to pull some legal loophole/technicality to prevent him from getting certified as prez, that’ll cause another Jan 6 for sure.
If the votes are there, then count the votes. I
Dude there's a 5 million vote difference in the popular vote. I don't think the mail in vote is going to change that
Won't even matter, if it gets called for Harris at this point the election is murky enough that the Supreme Court can just hand Trump the presidency.
I hope you are correct. About Kamala. Not the rest.
I wish there was a way to know how much longer tha mail ins will take
IIRC trying to remember for the last 20 years, but those take a couple to a few weeks, and the challenges in court will take possibly till Jan.
Well now a whole lot of people get to know what the end of Rome felt like.
Lame.
It begins. May the odds be ever in your favor.
Fuck it, let it all come crashing down. I guess that’s what we want
Harris had a good start, but she never built on it. She stuck to her talking points and Trump will be worse rhetoric. That's enough for many of us, but the majority need to be swept away by sensation.
She didn't humanize herself enough, didn't show the world who she is. She's a private, guarded person (as much as a high profile politician can be) and a lot of people think that makes her unlikable. Unfortunately presidential candidates need to be well liked to succeed.
Aight I may or may not give up but...
VIVA LA CALIFORNIA
MORT AU AMERICA
Fuck
The unfortunate reality is we choose this. There is no one else to blame but our own complacency.
Nah, fuck this mindset. I'm going to blame everyone who voted for the racist, homophobic rapist.
This country deserves what's coming to it.
No, it just simply doesn't. Regardless of how many (how fucking depressingly many) people voted for him, how fucked this country is, no one deserves to live through a fascist regime. We don't want housing just for the good homeless, we don't think only women who are "responsible" should have access to abortions, we don't think only Respectable Gays should have marriage rights. In the same vein, we shouldn't want only the good countries, only the good populations, to be free from tyranny. 70 million votes for that asshat, 70 out of 350. This country doesn't deserve this, because no one deserves this.
This is the result of literally decades of planning from extremist groups on the right to bend America into a fascist theocratic dictatorship. Saying someone deserved to get attacked because the attack was successful might be peak victim-blaming.
Unfortunate decision to see.
Well good for him.
I told you so
- Stein voters.
He cheated. Russia literally ran interference campaigns. How are people accepting this?
Like it or not, but he didn’t cheat. He won by playing the economy card.
People have this false sense of immediacy that causes them to believe that the current president is responsible for the economy from beginning to end of term. What they don’t realize is that the wheels of bureaucracy turn slowly; the current president really only begins to affect change after the first year of the presidency. Biden had to recover from the massive sinkhole the pandemic caused, and succeeded. The main problem is that company executives kept their inflated prices, and weren’t forced to do otherwise.
People see this, and jump straight to the conclusion that Biden is responsible for the increase in price of their groceries.
If prices didn't come down after, then Biden didn't succeed. That's where Dems collapsed on their economic messaging. They touted out a victory that nobody but the 1% could actually feel. Once it was clear that corporations were using the pandemic as a smoke-screen to massively inflate their prices, the government should have taken action.
This is cope. Show us evidence.
This is cope. Show us evidence.
ChatGPT just provided an interesting result. Although I was looking for something a bit more unique to use for the next 4(plus) years.
Yeah, it's not too good at this.
I think you mean “ChatGPT just hallucinated some garbage (again)”.
"Disnrfcd"
Disenfranchised?
Classic ChatGPT there, forgetting two letters and adding in two that weren't there before