Novoselic describes himself as an “anarcho-capitalist socialist moderate I-don't know”. He has campaigned for political reform. In the 2016 election, he supported Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson
Also when the same crowd got super butthurt at Rage Against The Machine because they “got political”. What the fuck sort of machine did those idiots think the band is raging against..?
Critical thinking definitely isn’t a strong suit of the right wing base voters.
It's so fucking stupid. I'm not a big fan of either Green Day or RATM's music (nothing wrong with it, it's just not my thing), but I don't live under a rock. I've actually heard of the existence of American Idiot because I've been a warm body in America since 1977.
When someone like me who would rather listen to 1930s and 40s music knows enough about Green Day to not even bat an eye hearing this, these people are just drooling imbeciles. But then everyone here already knew that.
Reminds me of Jack Kirby, one of the creators of Captain America. He drew him punching out Hitler on the cover of #1. The US wasn't in the war at the time and American Nazis were not rare, even in New York.
Some dudes came to his office building and offered to fight him (they called from the lobby). Unfortunately for them, Jack had grown up fighting in the streets of Depression era NYC. He agreed and by the time his elevator reached the lobby they had run away.
If conservatives want to listen to music that echos what they hear in Murdoch media outlets, they might want to avoid punk. Also, hip hop and rap. Probably also want to avoid, metal, classic rock, folk, indie, jazz, and EDM. Best to just avoid cool, formerly cool, and or cool adjacent music.
You should be generally safe with pop country, Christian rock, and post-00’s butt rock.
Don't worry, conservatives still have Kid Rock, that dude from Staind, Gene Simmons, and Ted "shit himself to avoid the draft" Nugent. Truly the best of the best, huh?
I remember back in the mid 2000s when they latched on to the Dixie Chicks' pop country music as being 'wholesome conservative music'. And then their very vocal rage when the Dixie Chicks publicly dissed W.
That was pretty funny. Not quite on a level of 'freedom fries' funny, or 'buying expensive French wine only to pour it down the drain in protest' funny. But it wasn't too far off.
first ive heard of the expensive french wine down the drain, is there a name for that protest? im a winemaker in australia this shit is hilarious to me
I respect The Chicks a lot more looking back and realizing just how strong their position was when you basically had an entire media industry and censorship falling behind Bush, 9/11, the Iraq War.
You know, I just realized that Hitler failing to get into art school is so much deeper of a joke than I realized.
Dude was an authoritarian. Artists are pretty universally anti authority. You could say it was his lack of skill to get into art school, or his education, or a whole bunch of things. Or you can say Hilter was already anti-artist, why would an art school educate that?
You should be generally safe with pop country, Christian rock, and post-00’s butt rock.
I have a counterpoint to Christian rock. The first album I bought at the Christian bookstore in the mid 90s, back when they had those "if you like [secular band], listen to [Christian band]" charts, was the Christian ska band Five Iron Frenzy's Upbeats and Beatdowns. The first chorus on the first song destroyed my sheltered church kid brain:
West we must, in God we trust, lets rape lets kill lets steal
We can almost justify, anything we feel
As the Bush years set in and the fight for gay marriage and abortion caused increasing political reactions from the church, many of these lyrics I attribute to starting my journey to the margins of church culture, discovering Christian socialism, New Monasticism, and an eventual leadership role. I later left the church and religion for other reasons.
A lot of Christian rock is purely marketing though, bands that could be signed to major labels but found a Christian label willing to pay them. It's a huge industry. Contemporary Christian Music/CCM swallowed up a lot of the industry back when I was more engaged with it. Newsboys going worship represents this for anyone in the know here, basically a pretty quirky and idiosyncratic band turning in to the most bland and boring Christian music possible. Could maybe argue the same for early Reliant K who turned in to pretty mainstream post punk.
Why do they have the worst music, art, and comedians? The only ones I can think of over the past century are Wagner, HP Lovecraft, and Kelsey Grammer. The past 100 years has produced more culture than all of human history combined and multiplied. Of that ocean I can only come up with 3 names that might be remembered a century from now. Not sure about 2 of them.
It's about freedom of their speech and their freedom to control yours.
Same as it ever was. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Roseanne Barry just kicked DeNiro off of some show she's doing for being "woke."
Of course, every MAGAt is cheering and not a single one is screaming about how um actually it's illegal to not do business with someone you don't like, like they do to us.
People who abuse and manipulate their family also have social media, which they use to abuse and manipulate society.
They're a certain type of person and for a lot of people, social media is their first real experience with these patterns of behaviour that were usually hidden behind closed doors.
But for anyone who grew up in an abusive home and broke the cycle, it's instantly recognisable.
The tricks and motivations don't change. They want to dictate how everyone around them looks, acts and thinks. If anybody gets it wrong, they lash out at them and try to hurt them physically or emotionally.
Everything that comes out of their mouths is just a means to that end. Things like logic and consistency don't even enter into it.
They have no qualms at all about deliberately misinterpreting "freedom of speech" so they can say what they like, then handwaving it away so they can prevent others from doing the same.
Except they've never hidden the fact that their "free speech" only applies to their opinions and they have never even once endorsed anyone else's right to voice their own opinions. Apparent in the fact that they consider things like LGBTQ+ advocacy, where members of that community express their opinions and exercise that right, to somehow be an active suppression of their free speech because, well because they disagree with the LGBTQ+ community and their messages so they don't think they should have the right to express it.
Okay how about we stop calling it a meltdown and start calling it a temper tantrum just like the ones toddlers throw. The solution for both is the same, putting them in a corner and ignoring them until they act like reasonable people while the adults keep things running
I once had a dark vision of loading up all the printers I "managed" (they manage us really), driving over to HP, and catapulting them at the building or/and parking lot while screaming things like
"Out of toner motherfuckers!"
"Cancel this print job"
"Oh look it's time for another update to enhance my experience"
Lol Green Day wanted to be Nirvana? Not a huge fan of either band really, and Green Day wasn't exactly groundbreaking stuff, but it's a completely different genre than Nirvana.
This is so easy to debunk with a simple search. Both bands formed the same exact year 1987. I dont think either band knew about each other until the 90s.
At this point it is remarkably refreshing to see a childhood hero still be based. Feels like a breath of reality in a stuffy box of hypocrisy and pretension.
He's never done anything even approaching that in his entire life. He's not about to start now. Billie Joe Armstrong is a fucking legend and one of maybe five people in the world I am completely positive will always remain a good person.
I think for the Trump supporter delusion to work, it generally has to include the assumption that they're in the majority. "The Silent Majority(tm)" and all that. Which is probably part of why they get so butthurt when a public figure tells them to go fuck themselves.
Anecdotally, this is exactly it. Talking to my parents is like being in a parallel universe because they think everyone thinks like them and "is just too afraid to say it" or "is being silenced." The mental gymnastics are astounding.
Yeah. They generally expect it when it's someone famous who was already openly against what conservatives are doing. But when a big name person or group who is normally (at least in their minds) not openly political says that Trump is a POS, it further shakes their understanding of what those they like to think of as "non-woke" actually believe.
Not a single ounce of self awareness in that group.... Won't be long till these Maga Snowflakes are screaming for safe spaces away from the liberal agender.
Facts don't care about your feelings snowflake! Here you can have the participation trophies you give us when we were young, I think you need them more.
Screaming for safe spaces might coinside with Desantis saying, Florida is where woke goes to die.
Setting up a voting police force, germandering, unconstitutionaly firing minority officials, banning books, attacking companies free speech (large and small). Using Florida tax payer's money to ship immigrants coming into Texas to Marthas Vinyard (Also not in Florida), changing the "Resign to run" laws so he doesn't have to give up office to run for president. It goes on and on.
And if our federal justice system works eventually, that will be the lead candidate for the GOP. Probably would wind up with him and Haley teamjng up.
These people have no idea what their music is about, it seems. I normally have trouble understanding lyrics and have to look them up, but Green Day's are pretty straightforward
These jackasses probably thought the "new media" was synonymous with what they think of as the "liberal media". Green Day is not subtle, but it's still probably too subtle for some of them.
...when he sang out, “I’m not part of the MAGA agenda” during his performance. The original line is, “I’m not a part of a redneck agenda.”
So you were all okay with "redneck"? Are the rednecks offended by being associated with MAGA? What would be the reaction if some country singer sang "I'm not part of the woke agenda"?
Ugh. Ya know... the reality is that news outlets, Rolling Stone in this case, need to generate attention just as much as the outraged Trump supporters. I have to wonder if us normies are suckers. Why do we fall prey to the need to comment on something so irrelevant?
Edit: So, I just listened to and read the lyrics for American Idiot (it’s been a while and I wasn’t ever all that into Green Day). I hadn’t realized how on-point my comment was. It’s literally about the media manipulating us. Man, what a great song and meta article.
Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind-fuck America
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alienation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue
Well, maybe I'm the removed, America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody, do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia
Why do we fall prey to the need to comment on something so irrelevant?
We lack political agency that has any ability to impact the economic arrangements we find ourselves in, instead we react to politics happening, from opposing ends of this economic consensus that alienates us, by engaging in the hyper-real spectacle of politics. This is what the Trump era represents, decaying neoliberal consensus, increasing internalized anxieties, and alienation from political institutions.
Hey, I'm a redneck. I'm probably the most gun shootin'ist, truck ownin'ist, motorcycle ridin'ist poster on here and I sure as fuck don't want to be associated with Trump and his MAGA morons.
Remember the (apocryphal) origin of the term "redneck" is potentially the red bandanas striking mine workers wore, both to show solidarity and to act as battlefield identification (because those people got into gun battles with police and mercenaries a LOT).
This entire discussion is horseshit. Only a frittata or a person who's never heard of Green Day would be dismayed by their political ideology.
Just wait until that mouth-breather finds out who started punk in the first place.
Unfortunately, most people have to pick a side to survive. Gay people, trans people, ethnic minorities, poor people, etc. Must all fight against fascism just to protect their very existence.
Green Day took the stage during ABC’s broadcast of Dick Clark’s New Year’s Rockin’ Eve With Ryan Seacrest and used the opportunity to call out Trump supporters by changing the lyrics to their 2004 hit “American Idiot.”
Frontman Billie Joe Armstrong drew cheers from the live audience when he sang out, “I’m not part of the MAGA agenda” during his performance.
Many of them took to Twitter to bash the band and accuse them of being part of the “propaganda machine.” “Sad, they are irrelevant and get a chance to play and use it poorly.
During the band’s tour back in 2017, Armstrong would shout “Fuck you, Trump!” before launching into “American Idiot.”
“There are a lot of people in the quote, unquote red states that get a big sense of relief when I say something like ‘Fuck you, Trump.’ That’s because they’re in the minority where they live and at our shows they get this sort of release,” he continued.
Dick Clark Productions, which produces New Year’s Rockin’ Eve, is owned by Penske Media Eldridge, a joint venture between PMC and Eldrige.
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saying modern life is so comfortable that intelligence is no longer an evolutionary advantage isn't pro-eugenics, it's the fucking truth.
As far as anti-democracy, I am actually an Arkansas inbred, and my vote against magatardism goes straight in the trash thanks to the electoral college.
One of many things that the right, left, and center can all agree on is (pro) eugenics.
Idiocracy, and this song, are so explicitly eugenicist and yet people who consider themselves "enlightened liberals", or even "leftists", choose not to see them as such.
They choose not to because to accept that obvious truth would mean that they have some things they need to work out too. That it's not just MAGA supporters that are upholding white supremacy and ableism.
In the past 5 years I've come to terms with a lot of abhorrent things I used to believe, and a lot of harm that I've unknowingly caused in the past.
Learn better; Do better.
If you haven't done hard introspection that has made you uncomfortable, especially if you're an abled white person, then you're probably not as enlightened of a person as you see yourself being.
Anger and cruelty is all they have to navigate their fragile emotional landscape. They are emotionally too uneducated to come up with anything different than hate. Or to use the words of a german punk rock band:
You're stupid as a pig
That's why you're feeling good
Hate is your attitude
Your blood is constantly boiling
Everything has to be explained to you
Because you really don't know anything
Most likely not even
What attitude means
Because you have problems that no one cares about
Because you're afraid of cuddling, you're a fascist
You don't have to project your self-hatred onto others
A Die Ärzte reference in the wild! I love this song...and a lot of their other ones. They even slip it into "Ich, am Strand" - Ich auf Demo: Nazis raus!
I remember they were bashing Rage Against the Machine for being political too and someone said "What machine did you think they were raging against? The dishwasher?"
It's not really a Green Day thing, but there were some dodgy allegations regarding sexual assault from the main guy's son, who is a drummer in another band.
They aren't and never were very creative, also even way way back in like 2000 I felt that there trash the set thing looked like they were bored of the task.
Finally someone criticize fascist Trump. Our government, using it's CIA hand did their part in silencing MAGA stupids on facebook, twitter and reddit. Good that we use artists to send a message too. /s