Winamp has announced that it is opening up its source code to enable collaborative development of its legendary player for Windows

I can still hear this.

Came here to say that. Somebody better warn the llama.

Baaaaaa! 🦙

I don't like animal abuse but I make an exception for llamas

Hell yeah!

I smashed that upvote button so hard. Whip that llamas ass

'Sweet.'

Also acceptable: Dope, dude, w-t-f, oh my God, holy shit, duuuuuude.

Gen X: Radical, gnarly, cowabunga, I want a living wage.

Hell nah. I moved to Plexamp years ago and nothing will bring me back.

Maaan, I had so many different skins for my Winamp player. Was such a great time to be on the internet. It was open and anonymous and had yet to be fully commercially exploited.

FYI there's a stand alone version of milkdrop but on crack called nest drop

In Foobar2000, Shpeck allows you to run those old Winamp vis plugins - I have Milkdrop 2.2 with all those old classics. They still look great on modern tech!

This! 😵‍💫

This is the ONLY music player I found with a logical and reasonably laid out library.

Uh oh!

Damn, I'd even works on mobile

Turns out one of my favorite bands is that Playlist (Diablo Swing Orchestra), pretty cool of them to release free music under the Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license, TIL.

Never heard of anything on the playlist before and I doubt I would have really stumbled on it normally because it's not the style I normally seek out but so far it all slaps. How is it they're allowed to include this stuff on their website?

I've seen this before, but didn't realise they got milkdrop working. I bought an MMX compatible processor specifically to be able to run this, back in the day.

Meh. No Ella Fitzgerald.

What about xmms? It was basically a winamp clone, I used to use that on my Linux boxes 20+ years ago

Use Audacity. You can even load all the old Winamp skins.

I have never found a Linux media player I liked (I don't really like Sayonara). I would love Winamp for Linux!

Musicbee is a pretty good Foobar alternative.

Screw limewire, soulseek is the way, an endless sea of perfectly organised music libraries, you'll find what you want and stuff you didn't know you needed.

if you're being for real, it's successor is this. though compared to other offerings these days I don't really prefer to use it. open source and no ads tho so that's cool.

Be cool, use Frostwire

Audiogalaxy for me. But then I love BBC radio dramas and I got I have no idea how many hours from there. Most of it lost now sadly.

which skin are you using? post a screenshot , alongside your current playlist so we can be entertained

Depends if it’s source available vs open source.

I wonder what language it is in and what compiler is needed? I'm tempted to make some of my own tweaks when the source is released.

The newest one fixes scaling but you need to set a compatibility setting. Use the newest version. After install right click and hit properties. Click compatibility settings. Set for all users if applicable. Select override hdpi settings. In the drop down select system enhanced. Ok apply ...... Restart the application. Enjoy.

You can also adjust the test in the actual winamp menus. But you can look up how easier than what I laid out.

Not sure if that version supports them, but there's a FLAC plugin for Winamp.

I'm using winamp 5.666 for windows.

There is finally a decent winamp for Android, but I use the Samsung music player instead.

Would love a Winamp for Linux

http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/

Maybe I would try an Android version, but Linux would be a pass, nothing they would come up with could displace MPD+ncmpc++ for me at this point.

While xmms is dead there's qmmp. Supports xmms and winamp 2 skins.

Someone said it was explicitly written with Windows in mind, so the Linux port will probably take some time. Converting all the Win API calls will take some time.

It's been a while since I've used Rainmeter, but I love that thing. Such a flexible utility.

As a Linux user, check out Strawberry. The name isn't great, but the player makes up for it

It's mostly all a meme. Most modern motherboards have good DAC+AMP built in, and 44.1kHz 16-bit is indistinguishable from 192kHz 32-bit or higher for most people. 75% of audio quality is your listening equipment, 20% is the quality of the source file (YouTube rips are shit), the last 5% is the rest of the pipeline unless you did something really stupid.

Sidenote: You can get a bit of a quality bump by knowing how to use Parametric EQ to compensate for imperfections of your listening equipment.

So you haven't used XMMS, BMP, Audacious, QMMP?...

They are open sourcing, just keeping a proprietary license on it. Yes, it's weird, but it is not unheard of. The Unreal game engine's entire source code is open, anyone can read or submit changes to it. Even make changes and distribute said changes. But it's still a proprietary product owned by Epic Games, and commercial use is strictly controlled under the licensing terms. Open doesn't mean Free (as in beer), or Freedom (licensing). Those are three different things. It is just that people have associated the term open source with the entire Free and Open Source Software philosophy. But they aren't the same thing.

ZDNET is wrong, Winamp is open sourcing their code. The article is obtuse and refuses to elaborate or provide reasons about their claim that Winamp isn't open sourcing.

it cannot be open source with that level of corporate control

Why?

It not only can, we have several examples of corporate products that are open source precisely like this with this level of control.

Open source requiring a specific license is a decades old debate that continues to this day. We have like a million different licenses and people argue and bicker all the time about which ones are Truly Open source ™ and which ones aren't. It's all legalese that make most people have headaches. But there's one crux on this whole thing: Open source does not preclude commercialization of software. This is why people are proposing the term source-available software. Winamp might go for that model and the debate would still go on.

Same. My only gripe is that the ui doesn’t scale at all which makes it hard to use on 4K.

They updated the OG as well for modern systems, I use it in NY office for my ripped "physical" collection.

Even back then the real power of winamp was in plugins. You can't get away with the truly hacky crap and windows anymore.

The only thing I really cared for back in the day was visualization and the aggressive crossfade plugin.

How many mac applications are coded using win32 api?

Whipping the llamas ass

To play music.

Whipping the llamas music.

Its maybe a small thing, but being packaged in linux repos would be huge for me

Being able to type

$sudo apt install winamp

Would be so cool

There are likely lots of improvements that can be made under the hood. I'm willing to bet that it depends on several aging libraries that could probably be swapped out for something better.

Would it be possible to add (smoother, in some cases) integration with music services? Imagine one library that could reach into Spotify, Tidal, etc. all in one player.

Winamp for me is a program that makes it easy to create my own music playlist (.m3u) files.

If only MediaMonkey was on Linux

Be careful with MediaMonkey, it can incorrectly change your files.

I've got dozens, if not hundreds of songs where it's changed the track number to the play count, and I've got a load where it's decreased the volume by a significant amount, presumably as part of the volume leveling function.

I don't use anything else to play or manage my music, and nothing has permission to affect it this way.

Port it then, you coward, lol.

Winamp hasn't seen real development in 20 years, and was exclusively a windows app at that time. What're you expecting?

It's right there in the name . WINamp

My guess is this is a win32 program or a codebase that is very Windows specific. It was probably discarded because it did not port very well to other platforms. Again, just a guess.

Still, it's nice to see such a historicaly popular program get its source officially released.

Audacious has support for Winamp skins and EQ presets, so you could call it a Winamp-like.

Audacious also has a mode that looks like winamp. I think it even supports winamp skins.

https://audacious-media-player.org/

Last time I tried it there was no view library like Winamp. Nope. At that point just use VLC or MPV.

And it's also a dead app. No thank you.

I have a big library of music, mostly MP3 or OGG and don't really see myself pivoting solely towards streaming services where access to songs could be revoked at any time or could be changed/censored like movies or series sometimes are on streaming platforms. I do use YouTube for listening to new music and when I like it enough, I buy it to download (or acquire it in a different way if it's not available).

Don't know about others, but I still have music in both mp3 and flac err I listen to sometimes.

Mostly they are rips off CDs that just aren't available for streaming anywhere, but also just music I bought as digital before streaming really was a thing.

I use musicbee and MP3/FLAC.

My music collection is to large and keyed to my tastes to throw away, and I don't want to pay for Spotify.

My music library is hosted on my server, automatically synced locally on fixed devices and played from local files most of the time. Streaming services combine the advantage of sometimes disappearing, altering, removing content with the other advantage of needing an active internet connection at all time. That's neither a good thing nor an efficient thing when the alternative is cheap and works all the time from everywhere.

Of course, I know this is not the most common use case; most people usually don't care about any of this (and usually complain when something break). But it exists.

I've been building my music collection since I was ripping CDs by hitting play, recording in Win95 Sound Recorder and running the .wav through LAME (nowadays EAC to flac, of course). I see no need to pay a subscription to listen to my music, when I can just use that same money to buy and own the albums* and not worry about them disappearing.

* also means more money goes to the artist

Also Navidrome + Symfonium means I can still stream to my phone so the only benefit Spotify etc has is new music, but YouTube (+ uBlock) gives me that.

Mine is mostly mp3, and the player is MPV. I would not notice higher quality amidst the street noise or listening through laptop's subpar speakers anyway.