Guys who refuse to wash their arse because it’s “gay”.
The sheer amount of self-hatred, insecurity and homophobia caused by toxic masculinity and shitty upbringings is astounding that you’d rather have swamp ass than be worried you’re gay.
Not saying it doesn't happen but I've seen this said a few times now, and have never heard of anyone who actually refuses to clean their arse. Have I just lived a sheltered life or what?
I did. I was talking to some guys and somehow my bidet came up and everyone found it pretty amusing and "gay". I said something like: well imagine you accidentally touch dogshit or something and then wipe it off with a piece of paper and go: well that's good enough until my next shower.
One guy said: what do you mean, next shower? And i said, that's your next opportunity to clean your ass with water and soap. Where everyone seems to agree that was also for gays.
It's extra funny to me that in a previous conversation one of the guys said his girlfriend hates giving head. I wonder why mr. Poopy butthole.
It’s usually partners complaining that they stink because they don’t wash themselves properly.
Some guys openly just admit it because they just don’t realise that it’s not normal. So fearful that they won’t put their hand anywhere near their own ass.
An ex of mine refused to wipe and would shower after every poop, claiming tp was ineffective, BUT WOULD ALSO refuse to purchase a bidet; the toxic masculinity here was thinking he was outsmarting us all while also contaminating every shower he had ever used
Washing your ass under the shower doesn't "contaminate" it. Sure, use toilet paper first, then go wash yourself. But you would be surprised how much shit (literally) is in the air. It's everywhere, even on your toothbrush.
Tell his wife that he loved her, because love is "gay" and "feminine"
Firstly, audibly expressing your heterosexuality isn't gay.
Secondly, there is nothing feminine about 2 guys loving each other, they are both guys so it's the most masculine sexual/romantic pairing.
Yeah, working in a factory was full of the bullshit like this, but this was the weirdest example. Things that boiled down to "No, I can wear less protective equipment than you!" were very common.
Even if you take the "gay argument" out of things, why would you let a group of 4 divorced guys give you relationship advice?
To be fair, having sex with women is pretty gay. They're girly, weak and smell nice.
Nothing more masculine than two smelly men fucking each other in the arse. Dominating this guy who's just as strong if not stronger than you, then enduring the pain of Big Jim's rod penetrating you, because you're a manly man who's made of tougher stuff.
I've been to Gay pride parades, gay bars and gay clubs. The gayest experience I've had in my life was working in the trades with straight men doing everything they can to prove their masculinity at all costs.
These men will use women as mere possessive objects in order to prove to their masculinity towards other men. By oversexualizing all women while at the same time belittling all that their partner does. As if women were merely currency for respect among men.
They hated gays and trans people so much that they would spend an extremely uncomfortable amount of time telling you how much they were "disgusted" by these people.
They hated on any man who who did not possess physical masculine traits. Those traits that they hated? Not being muscular. Not being tall. Not being fat (what???). Having longer hair.
But the gayest thing these guys refused to do was stand up for themselves against unjust authority. They would spend the most all their free time explicitly telling you how much they hate their boss. How stupid their boss is. How much of an asshole their boss is. How they would kick their bosses ass. Just talk an absolute big game.
Then the boss would come around the corner and you'd never see a bunch of grown ass men tuck their dicks between their legs faster than these guys. Their voices raise up a couple pitches and suddenly they are acting as subservient as how they believe their wives should be.
It's in this unspoken idea of respect for Men in Authority that you see the "gayest" trait in these toxic men. But not in a good gay way. A toxic gay trait that comes from a deep place built on oppression and repression of ones self. Where respect from your fellow man at all costs is the most valuable thing they crave. Where respect from your boss holds even higher value. Where respect from men in higher positions is held at even higher value.
All they care about is to be noticed by other men. That's kinda gay dude.
The cost of all this effort to gain respect from exclusively other men is their dignity. And they are more than willing to give up their dignity to be noticed by men in positions of authority.
To these guys, questioning or standing up to authority is gay. Standing up for yourself is gay. Demanding to be treated with dignity is gay. They will be the first ones to kick you down for disrespecting authority.
I've walked into a club bathroom and saw two guys giving another guy a blowjob. That's still not as gay as watching "straight" acting men grovel at the feet of boss in any trades.
To give you an idea, I'm 2m/6ft6, do weight lifting and I'm not particularly worried about the size of my dick. I may be insecure about many things, but not about my manliness.
Anyway, these kind of insecure men always try to out macho me. It's so fucking tiring. I'm basically straight (never say never), but I like stuff these kinds of men often find gay, because I'm not an anti-intellectual moron who has the maturity of a 12 year old boy or cares too much about what other people think. It's like they want to whip out their dicks and measure each other all the time. What kind of manchild cares so much about what other people think, that they can't listen to classical music, dress nicely, or read a book? As you say, these men are too weak to have opinions of their own or stand-up to authority.
They're so deeply insecure, it's fucking sad. Pathetic even. Not that I feel much sympathy for them, especially the older ones who've had time to mature, because they inevitably cause you grief. They're at best annoying, but can be outright dangerous. The whole machismo, kiss the boot, contempt for the weak thing is a toxic cocktail. No surprise who they vote for either, always love to suck the dick of a strong leader who tells them they're better than someone else.
You know those Harvard implicit association tests? They have one for racism, but they also have one for homophobia. Certainly not without their flaws, but I took one. Turns out I have a bias against straight people. No mystery how that happened, given so many men are toxic.
The trade fields are absolutely insanely full of men telling each other how manly they are and how not gay they are with the "notice me" mode that it's kinda 'dude... if you want guys to hit on you... you're going about it all wrong.'
Kudos for being able to say what you did, while using gay as a "derogatory" word, and not fucking it up in a way that would lead an uncharitable interpretation of what you said.
That being said, I absolutely agree with you, and the most homophobic shit I've ever heard came from guys who were so insecure about their sexuality, in a way that signalled to virtually everyone who was secure, that there was something about themselves they didn't want to accept.
Had an absolute asshole of a Lieutenant over my platoon while deployed to Iraq. We get there and they're issuing out bed linens. We're all thrilled because we're getting actual beds and not cots. This motherfucker refuses the linens because "they have flowers on them", then proceeds to demand a cot for himself. He slept in the cot in his sleeping bag instead.
He was also Mormon, attempted to proselytize every second he got, and proudly declared his virginity (he was in his late 20s at the time) when NO ONE ASKED to hear about that shit.
The Aztecs, that would cut hearts out of people and fought with clubs edged with razor sharp rocks, worshipped a flower god (Xōchipilli) and a hummingbird god (Huītzilōpōchtli), those pansies.
I’m going to be honest here - being surrounded by hummingbirds is terrifying. Not only does the buzzing and needle beaks make you think of the mosquitos in jumanji, but they also teleport from place to place while hovering.
Wait, what do you mean by a cot? In my British English a cot is what babies sleep in and has tall bars on the sides to stop them falling out. I'm guessing this isn't the same.
My bad, I didn't realize it was called by another name elsewhere. It looks just like this [USGI Military Folding Cot https://a.co/d/c0K3vCF](USGI Military Folding Cot https://a.co/d/c0K3vCF)
What do they call those where you're from?
To be fair, that LT would feel right at home in what you're describing (we call that a "crib" in the US), he was such an ignorant ass.
Besides physical violence, the most absurd thing I've seen was a man who bought a car after his wife pleaded not to because it would bankrupt them. He didn't like that she was "telling him what to do." They had two perfectly fine vehicles btw.
Weird, I know a couple who did exactly this about 13 months ago. They're divorced now. Unfortunately they spawned a child who will now have to deal with two parents who hate each other and can't stop fighting in front of them at every meeting.
All from some kind of weird macho trip fuelled by insecurity.
I just had a concrete floor cut for plumbing, and neither of the guys wore a mask or respirator which is insanely unhealthy. I have a feeling it was "not manly".
I worked one summer at the same factory as my dad. One day I was operating a cutting machine and my dad came by because I wasn't wearing any safety equipment. He suggested (not told) to wear the gear but I refused because no one else uses it. He said thats fine, it's my choice but he suggested I walk around the factory floor and count how many workers had all their fingers. I put on the safety equipment. Later on while having lunch with the two other guys in our area I noticed both were missing fingers.
These are typically the big right wingers who later in life live in a constant state of rage because they're crippled or disabled and blame the government or immigrants for the fact that they live on a $1200/mo disability check, can't work, and have nothing to their name. At least that's my personal experience.
The worst I have heard was when my husband's old boss was proudly bragging about how he didn't even leave work to be with his wife while she was giving birth to their first child.
He honestly believed that was something to be proud of.
We live in Australia too, so it's not like he had American orphan crushing machine to blame. He was just a horrible piece of shit.
When I was 18 and my buddy was 17, we went to the beach. He wouldn't let me put sunscreen on his back because that would make him gay. What if a woman saw?
He ended up with a severly blistered back, horrible, serious burns.
Me, I went up to the cute girls and just said excuse me hehehe.... I can't reach my own back.
The most obvious one I have experience with is guys refusing to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle because they're so tuff and manly and they "just won't crash".
I wear a helmet because it will protect my beautiful face if I fall off, and because it keeps bugs and birds from hitting the aforementioned rugged bearded handsomeness at high speeds thus preventing some accidents, and because I can have one with a cool design on it.
Not just motorcycles in my case but literally any child or adult I've ever seen ride a bike or use a skateboard in my entire life while strolling through town. Not a single civilian wears a helmet these days. I see preteens rolling and doing tricks on their skateboards like they're living out some early 2000's Tony Hawk game for the Playstation. A few people even hook their strollers up to their bikes and wear nothing.
One time cops had to be called in because some vengeful people who probably would've otherwise been shooters were using the opportunity to trip riders as they rode. Did it change anything? Nope, they still wore nothing and still made themselves vulnerable to the same thing if anyone would ever want to do it again. Cops never enforced what is actually a helmet/pad mandate and I guess it's not a CPS concern either, which stands out given their history.
Only a couple of friends of mine serve as an exception to the observation. One day some peers asked "why are you wearing a helmet and pads, you know, like little girls" and I'll never forget how they responded with "why are you wearing nothing, you know, like poor people?"
Tbf that's not toxic masculinity usually, just stupidity. It's the same shit for men and women a like, and some idiots even teach their spawns to ride without one. But I guess you only buy helmet for the kids you want to keep...
If something I've learned from 15 years of bmx and MTB, is that there's no such a ride that doesn't warrant using a helmet; was it visiting shop, picking kid from daycare or a day ride
Yep that's the dumbest thing. I've gone through clouds of bugs that hurt my chest when I wasn't wearing my armored jacket, and I knew they would have felt worse on my face by far, but I never felt them since I never ride without the helmet.
Even disregarding the obvious safety need, wearing a helmet improves the rider's comfort by blocking bugs and debris. Maybe they think it's manly to have bugs in your teeth and nostrils?
I've never ridden a motorcycle, but I have had a bug (and part of its web) go into my mouth and down my throat while biking. Just thinking about it makes me want to gag. If, after that, you offered me a bike helmet with a front visor, I'd have put that thing on ASAP.
Now take that bug incident and make it happen at 30-50 mph? No way would I have my face hole exposed for bugs to invade! (And that's totally apart from the safety issue.)
and because it keeps bugs and birds from hitting the aforementioned rugged bearded handsomeness at high speeds
I wear a full face helmet because holy shit I know one saved my face. But even if the helmet wasn't a separator from potential meat crayon situation, I'd still wear it for this reason right here. Seriously, I've had some beetles hit my helmet so hard it made me recoil, I can't imagine taking one straight to face like that.
For me it's between refusing to use an umbrella because "it's gay" or refusing to sit in the middle seat of a work truck because of the same reason as the first.
You joke, but going back to the ancient greeks that traditionally wasn't seen as 'gay' or feminine, no. A top is dominant, therefore more masculine. A bottom is submissive, therefore feminine.
Still a thing to this day.
I'll be honest, I'm glad I'm older, and less worried about that kind of shit and can just be me.
I refuse to use an umbrella myself, but mostly because I find them impractical and unnecessary. My skin and my earbuds are waterproof, plus where I live it usually rains sideways.
I feel you. I find them more of a hassle than anything. I could go on for a bit on why they're annoying and you're better off using another method to stay dry. None of them are "don't use an umbrella because that's gay" though as I'm not an emotionally immature middle school boy that doesn't get enough attention at home.
Sitting in the middle seat of a work truck can get a little gay if you're driving a manual and need to shift into 2nd or 4th. Joking aside, I would probably use any excuse not to sit there because it's incredibly uncomfortable to straddle the transmission hump.
That is so bizarre. Cooking and cleaning aren’t women’s responsibilities, they are adult responsibilities.
What separates things out is the degree of implementation.
A reasonable man will slap together a simple and hearty yet healthy meal with 2-3 separate items on a plate. A lot of women will jack that shit up to 11 and make it a 3-course meal.
A reasonable man will clean until things are clean to the needs of the situation. If it’s a plate, it’s until it is clean enough to safely eat off of. If it’s a barn floor, clearly those standards are a lot lower; be happy if you see a broom come out. A lot of women will insist on surgical-room cleanliness regardless of the location.
A man should never have any reluctance to cooking and cleaning. It’s called basic adulting. What we need to watch out for is to align our efforts to the needs and conditions of the situation. We men are here to be practical.
Folks, we are witnessing toxic masculinity live in this thread, look at the way this toxic male masterfully injects his internalized misogyny into a comment that sounds reasonable at first but quickly devolves into more gender stereotypes, portrayals of woman as unreasonable, impractical, and irrational. Look at how he tacitly emasculates any man who likes to cook for the joy of cooking or clean things beyond a bare minimum. What a rare opportunity to witness the toxic male engaging in such iconic behavior, while unaware of it's surroundings.
The most absurd thing I've seen a man refuse to do because of toxic masculinity is just scroll past an innocuous comment without replying a bunch of misogynistic bullshit.
Don't you think that this "men are here to be practical" theory has some gaps? Like there are plenty of men who do the things that you describe as unnecessary
What if you just likes cooking or fancy meals?
What if your cleanliness standards are just higher?
I'm not saying that barns should be sweeped or that everyone should cook fancy meals. But to say that people who do do that are (as you seem to be implying) overdoing it, or impractical is a bit unfair I think. I am also quite practical but still respect that others have higher standards or just "want things their way" which should be at least a little relatable to everyone.
cause being clean was for women and (insert homophobic slur here)
He only "cleans" himself like twice a year, and even then under protest and not fully, because the doctor told him he wont be let in the building if he came in dirty and smelling like BO and shit anymore.. and that cleaning is basically a 5 minute shower where he rubs a cloth under his arm pits.
And yes, the smell is even worse than you can imagine.
Had the misfortune of entering his bedroom one day and his sheets were black (they were originally beige..), and stiff, and cracked when he sat on them.
Knew a guy who wouldn't wipe his ass because he thought it was gay, he took a shower every time he shat at home and used the sprayer head to blast it off. There were brown flecks on his shower walls. If he had to shit while he was out, he would just marinate in his butt butter until he got home.
I think it's important to call most of these stories what they are. They're not toxic masculinity, they're homophobia, in the most literal sense of the word.
The thread in general. After reading a bunch of the stories, it occurred to me that they are all homophobic. Men engaging in certain behaviors, or avoiding behaviors and activities to avoid being perceived as gay are homophobic. You make a good point though, I edited my response to make it more clear.
being attracted to a man is obviously a feminine trait. and we hate everything feminine, did i tell you i hate the woman i confessed my love to and have been married to for 30 years?
My friend moved early this year to a new apartment and we gave him a very easy to care plant and some decor
When we visited him again about a month later he told us he didn't put the decor because it's gay (as in gay to decor, not the specific stuff we gave him) and the plant was dead because he put it in a closet because he brought in a woman and she could think he was gay so he hid it 👍
Edit: fixed lots of mistakes lol, don't write a comment before drinking coffee
Walking around a rainbow cross walk . Also just not using a cross walk in general and taking more time trying to cross the road at a random location than just walking slightly down the road to cross the street even though that's the direction they where walking in the first place .
You should not have to backtrack nearly ten minutes to get to a crosswalk. That's just terrible urban design.
Also I don't know where you are, but in many US States every intersection is a legal crosswalk unless signed otherwise. It just may not be a marked crosswalk.
This one's specific one but I've seen guys permantly fuck up their feet by wearing cheap, thin-soled boots everyday or stand in jeans and a hoodie in -20° F for hours because buying good, quality clothes is seen as feminine.
When your feet are out of shape and you stand around all day, it can put too much stress on the arch of the foot. Or other areas, even up your legs depending on posture, fitness, and what you're doing with your feet all day. Even just walking a lot can really suck if you have arthritis or simply allow (aka forced via work schedule) your feet to get overworked and on the down side of recovery.
To be fair, it's not ever the boot doing the fucking. It's just not helping your feet survive. Even basic arch support goes a looong ways towards staying comfortable for many people.
Refusing to wear a sweater, jacket, hat, or gloves when it's bitterly cold out. They claimed that "real men endure the cold" and tried to say that wearing warm clothes to stay warm makes you "Womanly".
Nothing more manly than hypothermia and frostbite am I right guys? /s
Wear a covid mask. Sounds simple, but the issue was everywhere. You could say it was history's most destructive example of toxic masculinity, especially when the protests kicked off and people were (and still do) denying any damage had been occurring due to that.
I made a big deal when it happened because I for one hate dress codes, yet dress codes were and still are somehow fine and something you're not allowed to argue against, all the while something that was actually practical as well as small was like peoples' kryptonite, so I remain in a lowkey boycott over dress codes if the business was apathetic to antiviral measures.
For a lot of people it seemed that way. Seeing a protest of Canadian truck drivers who didn't want to wear the "face diapers" made it seem like they were acting on an outright masculine honor culture. It's something that softened my previous view that Canada was living under an unlucky streak of bad authority. Now I look at them and think "well no wonder".
One time I heard a guy say he wasn't gonna push a shopping cart cause it was "f***y". Never understood that. He looked like a real doofus pulling it by the front.
I worked in retail for 8 years and I occasionally pull from the front too out of habit. It gives you more notice with people when approaching aisles. I don't see the connection to it being more manly though.
Right, but there is a difference between me being a lazy antisocial person who hates talking on the phone to make an appointment, and being afraid to make an appointment because I'm worried I might like the feeling of something long and firm going in my ass.
Saw a group of 14 year-old boys refuse to admit that it's harder to hold a pool cue out from your body if you hold it at one end than if you hold it in the middle (simple demonstration of leverage).
I used to know a man who was huge fan of Queen but also massively homophobic. When I called him out on it, “Um, Freddie was very gay”, he quickly replied, “Oh, that’s different”. 🤔
Someone couldn't ever admit that he was wrong to a woman, particularly not to a girl.
So I said, 'why did you buy the American sliced cheese, you hate all of the additives?' and he refused to believe that there were additives. I litterally pulled out the American cheese and read the ingredients list out, then compared it to our usual cheddar, which just listed milk, but he refused to admit that a teenage girl knew more than him.
I just tell them to get cheeky wit it. If they watch Brit TV they laugh. If not they grumble and do it anyway. If they are a very young and new employee they don't get it. If they totally get it I get statements I don't have comebacks for.
Someday said person gets a cath installed. Then what?
Not sure if this counts, but one guy I knew would boast about how he never drinks water. It was a matter of pride for him that he only drank soda. I know he was lying because I'd seen him drink water, but better not tell him that.
That remembers me about this older video. It's in Romanian, but it says "stay away from water" and the images are from some sparkling water commercials presented as the consequences of anyone drinking water.
I don't mind a little rain, especially when I have my rain jacket on. Sometimes I find carrying an umbrella around cumbersome. If it's really pouring, I have several umbrellas of various sizes, but more often than not I'll just go without.
If you are also in the rain, I don't want to deprive you of the umbrella you cared to bring.
If I'm taking the umbrella with me, that's an implied obligation to return the umbrella in good condition, something I don't trust myself to remember to do. I'd rather be a little wet than create that social contract I'm probably going to fuck up somehow and foster animosity.
If you're offering to share the umbrella, there's an implied intimacy there. I'm happily married, and we are secure in our relationship that neither feels threatened that the other would cheat, but I still don't want to give someone else the wrong impression. I have friends I'll happily share an umbrella with, but there's a much larger number of people who might offer and I'll decline. Like another parent at a kid's sporting event. Someone who's name I ought to know, but can't remember, and I've met the other parent, but I don't know what their deal is. Someone who goes in for the hug, but has never seen the inside of my car. Are they just super friendly, or are they angling for more? I'm fairly oblivious to the "signals" as my wife will attest, and I've been accused in the past of leading people on, so I'm a little gunshy.
So if that's being interpreted as toxic masculinity, I think I'd rather people believe that about me than have to politely decline another indecent proposal from someone I'm going to have to see at every PTO meeting.
Hahaha, I was in my car once, in a parking lot, and I saw this white-oakley-wearing baloon animal due running to his jacked up truck with his shoulders all hunched because it started raining. No one else was doing that LOL
I don't mind a little rain, especially when I have my rain jacket on. Sometimes I find carrying an umbrella around cumbersome. If it's really pouring, I have several umbrellas of various sizes, but more often than not I'll just go without.
If you are also in the rain, I don't want to deprive you of the umbrella you cared to bring.
If I'm taking the umbrella with me, that's an implied obligation to return the umbrella in good condition, something I don't trust myself to remember to do. I'd rather be a little wet than create that social contract I'm probably going to fuck up somehow and foster animosity.
If you're offering to share the umbrella, there's an implied intimacy there. I'm happily married, and we are secure in our relationship that neither feels threatened that the other would cheat, but I still don't want to give someone else the wrong impression. I have friends I'll happily share an umbrella with, but there's a much larger number of people who might offer and I'll decline. Like another parent at a kid's sporting event. Someone who's name I ought to know, but can't remember, and I've met the other parent, but I don't know what their deal is. Someone who goes in for the hug, but has never seen the inside of my car. Are they just super friendly, or are they angling for more? I'm fairly oblivious to the "signals" as my wife will attest, and I've been accused in the past of leading people on, so I'm a little gunshy.
So if that's being interpreted as toxic masculinity, I think I'd rather people believe that about me than have to politely decline another indecent proposal from someone I'm going to have to see at every PTO meeting.
Back in my country, bottled mineral water used to have a pink cap when it was non-carbonated, and blue cap for the carbonated one. I guess, I don't even have to finish the story, at this point everyone can imagine...
But yeah, in primary school I had class mates who refused to drink the non-carbonated one, saying it's "gay water".
I know some people that never wipe their ass because that's a gay thing. Well if being hetero means have a dirty ass and smell like shit, I think I rather be gay then.
When I was a teen I had a friend that wouldn't cross his legs because only women do it or something, but he was also too chicken to confront any adult that did it when we walked about.
I watched an extremely drunk dude kick his own ass at the nightclub because I accidentally touched his hand when reaching for my drink. He started drunkenly yelling at me that I was some kind of homo for wanting to touch him. I told him it was an accident, and walked outside to have a cigarette. He followed me outside and tried to fight me. But, he was so drunk that I saw his punch coming a mile away and just stepped back a couple of inches. The momentum from his punch carried him all the way around in a circle and then he fell forward and smacked his head on a brick planter. The sound was awful. He knocked himself out cold, and blood was everywhere. I just went back inside while the bouncers tried to wake him up, and I never saw him again.