And where did you get that info?

It's not really any different than the characters on It's Always Sunny.

97% of Seinfeld's entertainment value is the bass line.

That's what's offensive

I don't like Seinfeld, but isn't George supposed to be an utter dunce?

Like, as a Zoomer, people not being able to tell the difference between portraying bigotry and endorsing it IS an actual problem I see.

For example there is an episode where George didn't know black people ate salad.

We're still getting asked questions like this and honestly, should be highlighted:

Pure facepalm Questions I've overheard or was involved in:

• Can black people use the same shampoo as white people
• If Muslim women wore the hijab in the shower
• Is the southeast asian vagina 90 degrees

I heard on a podcast today that Larry David based the George character on himself. (The podcast is called Good Bad Billionaire, where a couple of people judge various billionaires on their ethics etc. TIL Jerry Seinfeld is a billionaire.)

and a lot of questionable consent sex situations if I remember correctly

Yeah, not sure how old they think millennials are or when they thought Seinfeld aired

#HEY IT'S THE ASSMAN!

I wasted many homework nights watching this until 2am, same goes for friends and frasier.

But tbh i'm easily amused as long as it isn't short form brainrot.

he unequivocally walked that back recently. said he was wrong to think that and it isn't a thing. he probably had a talk with his kid or something.

Hell, I was even old enough when it was airing to think it was overrated then.

To boomers and idiots, millennials just means “younger than me”

Generational labels tend to divide by arbitrary boundaries more than actually give you insightful information about something exclusive to the group.

lol, yes

The years for Millennials go up to 94-96, Seinfeld finished in 98. I doubt many that young would have seen it. I was born in 86 and I barely watched Seinfeld re-runs.

It's not like every millennial watched it growing up. It's not inconceivable that there are millennials who are seeing it now for only the first time and find it offensive.

I'm not saying you have to like Seinfeld or anything, but I wouldn't consider it embarrassment comedy. It's more about the gang being a bunch of sociopaths, like an early version of IASIP.

I agree on the embarrassment humor. Cringey stuff is worse than the most hellacious and gory horror to me most of the time.

Sienfeld never really hit me that way, though. It just seemed stupid and contrived in a very "look how edgy and relevant I am" sort of way.

THANK YOU! I can't stand that guy. His voice kills me and I never found him funny. Nothing against him personally, he might be a great person, but I can't understand how people can stand the content he makes.

Seinfeld is definitely the weakest character and the show is the most memorable from everyone else

He was definitely the weakest actor of the 4, and had the poorest story lines.

That is about the best burn on Seinfeld I've ever read. Bravo!

Yeah also a millennial and it's just... not that funny? I get that plenty of shows haven't aged perfectly, so it's not that. Friends has plenty of moments that haven't aged well (lots of gay jokes about Chandler come to mind), but the comedy still holds up really well. Seinfeld... Not so much.

Well, IASIP is also actually funny, which helps.

Oh yeah, that’s a gape

The gang on It's Always Sunny is worse but they are obviously not people we're supposed to empathise with. It's quite a bit less obvious on Seinfeld.

I might be overthinking it but feel like Seinfeld was more a show about normal people who sometimes do shitty things - just like real life. I can't think of anything truly horrible any of them did on the show, just a bunch of "social" wrongdoing. Telling a secret, sleeping at work, the perfect comeback, etc. It's famously a show about "nothing"

Then IASIP is about a bunch of assholes riling each other up to be horrible for their own benefit.

I think Seinfeld is the more "important" in the grand scheme of television for it's groundbreaking approach but in a vacuum, IAS is the better show.

The show is still a very 90s show with 90s sensibilities. There is a lot of media from that time that hasn't aged well.

Millennials are like 40 years old now.

PS. I'm not actually 40 but I'm getting there before I even realise it.

It’s worded like we’re all still in our early 20s.

It’s just hot clickbait garbage for boomers

I'm a millennial and watched the Seinfeld finale live...

Yes

To be fair, Outrage Marketing does work, but it usually isn't this obvious.

Like when Disney announced that the Snow White remake would have Seven Multicolored Normal Sized Human People? And later it turned out the final movie will indeed have dwarves?

That was just done to get bigots talking about the flick. Wouldn't be surprised to learn Aerial being black in the newer Mermaid movie was the same thing. I mean it worked, people were too busy defending Disney from criticism for this move that they didn't notice the movie is, like most Live Action Remakes of Non-Live Action media, shit.

Hey Disney, bring back your 2D Animation, have them do another Lion King, then dub it over with the audio for the Mufasa film. I guarantee I'll actually consider watching the damn thing if you do that. (These Live Action remakes have got to be a Money Laundering scheme or something)

I fucking hate Gossip Girl.

I'm also a 40yo man... so... that tracks.

Ya know how growing up, our parents called every system a "Nintendo", even if it was clearly a Playstation or a Sega Genesis?

Yeah that's what boomers do with age groups. Anyone younger than them is a "Millenial Zoomer on Youtube's TikTok app"

You've just re-invented journalistic standards and peer review.

It is how the news cycle is supposed to work. One journalist says something, others verify or disprove it publicly.

The problem is that there is now no difference between journalism and content or between news channels and platforms.

If you're a boomer, the older half of Gen X are also boomers and everyone younger is a millennial.

It's a live studio audience in this case. Not that it makes it any less annoying.

Edit: a word

I got a few laughs with Kramer's stand-up. Not at the racist non-jokes themselves, but when those lines were remixed with out-of-context scenes from Seinfeld.

George: "He's black? I thought he looked Irish... What's his last name?"

Kramer: yells the N-word

George: calmly...That's not Irish

☝️; this.

Yeah as another one of the youngest millennial (or the oldest gen Z depending on which year you classify the generational turn-over) I've never really understood the whole millennials are offended trope.

I grew up watching south park, family guy, ATHF, honestly pretty much everything on adult swim or comedy Central. There isn't much that offends me except glorifying ultra wealth, and that isn't offensive, it pisses me off personally.

All of my friends are the same way, honestly they are mostly more offensive than me even.

There has been exactly 1 millennial I know of that has shit takes like this and he's 2-3 years older than me. That's it 1 even though college, of course these articles aren't written to be accurate, it's just rage bait.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the immorality of Kramer's racist stand-up was exaggerated. It was absolutely offensive and 100% not acceptable. There was nothing funny about it, and there was no possible current setting in which that would be okay. Especially when the audience member became upset, Kramer needed to drop the show immediately and apologize. However, it is obvious he did not mean it as real. I believe he was trying to shock the crowd by being offensive and picked the wrong thing to be offensive about. From what I can tell, the n-word and racism to Kramer are so absurd, that the bit was to make fun of racists by taking on the role of someone that would believe in it to show how stupid it is. It was a caricature. Unfortunately, our society is still racist and the victims haven't healed yet because it's still ongoing, so it didn't land right at all. His white privilege made him tone deaf, so it was less about him being purposely racist and more about showing how racism is still alive. It also gave racists a possible pass at being overly racist if he were allowed to get away with it. I think in the future, society will either not care about it as much or find it makes sense because they will agree with the spirit in their time.

Again, i am not excusing his standup or saying it was okay. It was not okay. But, I also think it's not what people make it out to be. In fact, he owned it and apologized for it a lot. He was clearly regretful and wanted to point out how much it hurt him as well. This made him a perfect target for mob justice using shame as a weapon because he believed he deserved it and would not fight back. It ended his career, and he's been in hiding ever since. He was one of the first celebrities to be canceled by social media. The only time I remember him coming back out was on an episode of Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee and he looked like a broken person. The backlash was so intense, that even South Park made a show about it called With Apologies to Jesse Jackson (S11E1).

I understand I might be misunderstanding the situation, so I do not mean to profess my opinion as fact and am open to other interpretations.

And I'm older than you and in the US-- I agree with you that Seinfeld was a waste of scotch tape also. There was nothing about it that ever resonated with me. And for the life of me, I can't see how anyone else could be so fascinated by the premise of that TV show.

It's not even worth the effort to be "offended" by it.

The show is OK. Parts of it didn't age that well (i.e. I got older and recognized there's a handful of racist narratives and depictions baked into it). But Jerry Seinfeld himself, holy cow is he a piece of shit in real life.

I would be meh on it if my older brother didn't watch it every single night, rerun after rerun, when we were growing up. It got really old.

I had friends who loved it. All of the show I've seen was when I was at one of their houses. I can sum the whole thing up as MEH!

Curb Your Enthusiasm convinced me Seinfeld was like 95% Jerry riding Larry David's coattails. Jerry is so rarely funny to supposedly be "the guy."

I grew up watching Cheers with my dad and had no problem transitioning to Seinfeld when I got older.

It's got a certain East Coast dry sense of humor. Friends is more generically goofy.

I like older shows and I enjoy it. It's definitely from it's time, the humor hasn't aged, but idk where they get the triggered millennials from

Oh Joey, Cue laugh track and 🤮

You do realize that's just a cover phrase people say when they think there is something wrong with that, but don't want the people they are talking to thinking that they think there is something wrong with that, right?

The past decade of tv has spoiled people with quality TV shows.

Back in the old days of tv, we didn't have story arcs. First seasons of shows were still rough. Networks often gave shows a lot longer of a lifeline to prove themselves. For example: Parks and Rec didn't hit their stride into mid-Season 2.

For 90s shows, I recommend finding a Top 10 episodes list and seeing if you enjoy it.

Some episodes are legendarily funny, but a lot are very forgettable. It’s more of a cultural bellwether.

Seinfeld was one of those shows that talked about certain issues that weren’t broached on network tv. I think the masturbation episode was the first time it was even alluded to on any mainstream tv.

But at the end of the day it’s a sitcom with laugh tracks, so it doesn’t age super well.

Not really, the pilot is the weakest episode I can think of. Not that it turns into an action thriller or anything, but the plotlines and characters certainly get zanier and (arguably) funnier.

No. Some of them aren't good, and some of them are hilarious. Some of them are a little offensive based on today's standards. But the show overall is pretty great. There are a lot of references used by older people that you'll start understanding if you watch the show. Popular TV shows used to be social glue, everyone watched them, so themes from the shows worked their way into our social vocabularies.

It's sort of like it's always sunny, but with less to no storyline. There are some funny episodes, but there are also a lot of episodes. Seinfeld was a big celebrity at the time and that carried it more often than not.

Bla bla bla

Id say The best 10 episodes are some of the greatest prime time comedy ever made. Theres probably another 20 or 30 episodes with jokes, arcs or bits that are also comedy gold with a fair bit of filler. But theres 172 episodes...

But I also defend Big Bang Theory as "6 seasons of a good and funny show, dragged out over 12" so maybe I'm just easily amused.

You'd be correct, the first episode is indeed very dull and boring. I'd recommend to start from Season 4.

I'm working my way through now, in season 4. Later seasons get better, but there's a lot more bad than good imo. I'm not sure I've seen an episode that's consistently funny, just the occasional good joke.

It's not a formula I find enjoyable, always sunny follows the same pattern.

Has he? Last I heard he was still complaining that "yOu CoUlDnT dO sEiNfElD tOdAy BeCaUsE wOkE" with Rob McElhenney begging to differ.

The whole show was people being shallow characters. That was the point.

In fairness on the coffee thing, few people have heard the whole story, even now. I think most people today still believe the story was "woman sues because coffee was hot and she got a little burned, and the jury went nuts" and don't know or care about the actual details.