Fuck, not being able to trust your doctor because some bootlicker in a suit has passed (or is trying to) a law defining your body's natural processes as a potential murder case?
Fuck these fascist Republican scumbags.
If these fuckers get their way, I will, at some point, start seeing murder cases where the perpetrator is a woman and default to thinking that the charges are bullshit because of this.
Yup, and once they fully ban abortion, birth control is next, followed by taking away womens right to choose if they have kids or not. Meaning all girls will have a set amount of time to have their required number of children, following their first period.
My country has free healthcare. Doctors do not get any info unless you give them, because you keep the files.
What do you think happens with universal systems?
Any doctor office I walk into, gets my entire history based on my PHIN.... which is required for me to provide in order to get service.
whoosh
To be fair, you could have the best doctor in the world. The second they enter those dates into the database with the rest of your notes it is out of their hands. The IT department will be responsible for handing over the data.
The IT department would never be responsible for handing over said data. Backing it up, making sure it was recoverable, sure. But IT would have no actions with such.
I assume it would be the HR department or the administrators
Same difference. It's out of the doctor's hands.
We all know there are incompetent people in human resources who will turn to their tech person and ask them to do the job. The tech person won't even think twice about the actual intended use of the data that they're sharing.
This.
I have a (well managed) chronic illness. I have to go to lots of doctors at different clinics. All of them are in the habit of just collecting all the information.
For example, as a patient, there's no benefit to me whatsoever of the doctor being aware of the day and month of my birth. That's just the start though, they have my medical concession id number, addresses, et cetera.
If you express any reluctance at all, you're made to feel like a pariah. Like a COVID denier or something. For example, there was one clinic I want sure I would continue with, so when I was asked to fill out my details I asked whether it was really necessary given that I might not come on board as a patient, the receptionist and doctor just couldn't understand why I might be reluctant.
Last time I saw my GP he asked whether he could record our conversation... "it's some AI thing we're trialling". OMFG. Why on earth would I want that? Why would anyone want that? I want my GP who is an actual person to listen to my circumstances and determine the best course of action.
I'm always in a "Grab any data that might be useful" mood at the doctor's office. I've had teams of trainees brought into my room to show off any medical problems I have. I love supporting the medical field however I can. My mom was in a relatively famous medical video ages ago and such.
But if a doctor asked me to train his AI I'd tell him to fuck right off. No way, no how.
man, id hate to have you as a client. I'm all for privacy and not wasting time, but you're just unbearable in this regard.
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The Democrats have had decades to ensure abortion access would be guaranteed, but they decided not to and allowed it to be overturned. Both parties were absolutely happy to do nothing and just raise funds over abortion, but the Republicans had to actually try to force a change.
If there is a pile of brushwood and gasoline containers next to my house, and my husband wants to light it on fire while my mother wants to keep it there, neither of those people is actually trying to make the situation better.
Land of the thief, home of the slave.
Oh I get it, it's in response to pregnancy tracking bills in the making. I just thought she was anti-medicine in general, at first.
I'm sure you get it, but this is kinda for whoever is out of the loop on this.
Yeah, right now the meta for pro-choice women is to delete and remove all period tracking apps under the assumption the apps will snitch directly to the government on you, so that, say, Texas lawmakers will know if your period is overdue, and thus you are expected to be possibly pregnant. Then, if that data leads them to certain conclusions, they assume an abortion has happened, and they want that fully criminalized.
It is not unlikely to expect an incarceration in order to "protect the life of the baby", even if you have made no move toward abortion, but once the tracker app and its data tell the patriarchy that you might be pregnant, all bets are off.
Even worse is that sometimes a woman's period is just irregular, or even disappears for a time, especially if she's on some serious athletics and a tight diet, so there's a lot of room for false positive "pregnant" results with possible felony charges on the line, over the fucking tracker app on your phone.
The same situation drives the daughter's actions, doctors will often snitch, and the problem of anti-choice doctors getting you incarcerated because they think you might be pregnant is well known.
Basically this information is now expected to be used to monitor for pregnancy, possibly by law enforcement directly, and it becomes very compromising, especially for a teen girl who already lacks the rights she needs to take herself away from unwanted situations and states. She also likely wants to normalize this behavior for herself, so that others wanting to hide pregnancy do not set off "red flags" when they try to maintain privacy.
I tell every doctor "a few weeks ago" and then when they suggest a date I say yes. So every doctor has a different day lol. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite me
I hope you don't live in an abortion ban state, because that very well could come back to bite you
That makes me soooo fucking angry
I do, so we will see what happens
I'm sure my governor would love to see me in jail anyway
Hey if you're on hormonal birth control I think you can just tell them you use the method that gets rid of periods (not taking the placebo week and just continuing with the hormone pills, this is safe if you also just don't want to have periods link)
I have an iud and besides a short time after having one removed to get pregnant with my daughter haven't had my period in uh, 9 years? I just tell them I don't have a period and haven't in years and they accept that readily
If you live in a deep red state even that info will be used against you. The GOP wants to make women brood sows and any type of birth control is considered murder/going against God's plan.
Good point, I appreciate it!
Bald eagle freedom screech intensifies.
Fun fact: the famous bald eagle freedom screech as we know it from the movies is not from an eagle, it's the scream of a red-tailed hawk.
They actually sound like deranged seagulls. I think that sound is probably more on the nose for what is going on in the US.
Any woman who votes for the right at this point is voting for the handmaid’s tale. Ending no fault divorce, ending a woman’s right to choose, tracking women's periods, and the list goes on. The right is trying to roll back women’s rights little by little.
I remember when the right said things would never get as bad as the handmaid's tale. It's not a coincidence they stopped saying that.
What’s The meme here?
Red states are obsessed with knowing who is potentially pregnant and increasingly making legislation to punish people who appear pregnant and suddenly aren't (ie, no periods, then abortion, then having a period). Some of that includes reporting that information, apps for tracking have already been caught sharing that info.
abortion ban
Didnt you know? Screenshots of text are they new memes
This explains why people say healthcare in US is terrible
No it doesn't. This is a problem with our laws, and it's not true across the us, only in some of the less intelligent of our states.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it's for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
But of course, mindless bashing on the US? Upvotes, no matter how little it makes sense.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it's for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
When people compare healthcare between countries, people compare healthcare by those countries. Not by corporations in those countries. This is why I say my shithole has worst dental care on the planet. And have bad avaliability, brcause regions are still part of country. Although the worst is better than none, I guess. Terrible both by European standards and by standards of 20 years ago. Again, USSA managed to be even worse than this.
I like this N.J. way to talk to doctors: “don’t worry about it”, “it is what it is”, “who’s asking?”
I'm going to guess this person lives in one of those shithole theocracies.
Yeah, the post said it right at the end. America.
I'm so glad I got sterilized once the RvW info got leaked. I wish I could thank whomever leaked it. In my eyes, they're a hero.
I am Canadian and offered on my Facebook page to mail abortion pills to Americans, got IMMEDIATELY banned for 30 days, and was interviewed by Vice about that. Facebook is complicit.
I’m not one to defend Facebook, the execs can burn in hell for all I care, but they do have to comply with the laws of countries or else face being sued by some litigious Americans.
Let me ask you this. Are you still on Facebook?
Me myself was not happy with the influx of misinformation on there 10 years ago and I’ve not used the site since, or Instagram or WhatsApp.
Full disclosure: we use ReactJS at work.
Okay, not entirely educated on female menstruation person here.
Does the period cycle change or is it consistent over time? Like is it about tracking a woman’s pattern and if there’s a change… that’s the flag?
It's about the cycle stopping and then starting again, suggesting that the person was pregnant until she wasn't again.
To add what prune said, it can be some what inconsistent. Women aren’t robots.
My ex had periods that were frequently +- a week or so, and my current GF is regular enough to freak out over a couple days.
There’s also things that can cause skipped periods that have nothing to do with pregnancy- intensive physical training or stress.
Thanks for adding that. I was aware of those cases (also: the pill can make you stop having periods at all), hence why I wrote "suggested".
However, law enforcement can't be trusted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Especially, if it's illegal and persecution is especially politically motivated.
Use AI to identify republicans based on their data, institute shadow bans and silent monetary fines wherever they go outside of their fascist states, and use the fines to finance reproductive health options for the women in their states. Watch the depends diapers fly.
Its funny, because you basically described the Silicon Valley plan to do fascism in San Fransisco
The idea of the Network State is one in which The Grays - a cabal of tech industry insiders - wage war against The Blues - California liberal democrats - by freezing them out of domestic infrastructure.
The macro task is to take back the city. The micro task, or the meso-task, is to take back individual streets and buildings and clearly mark them as under Gray control ... For example, if you had Gray owners of every single building in San Francisco or even every single building on a block, you could set it up such that the Gray login will get you into the building. I mean, this already kind of happens. You have to swipe your key card to come in because the streets are so dangerous. Like near Twitter HQ, for example, that you'd like or run inside and you swipe your key card and you go up the elevator or whatever. Sometimes I've seen people do that. So that's already something that exists but the difference is you'd network it between buildings. And you have something of a Gray tribe membership gets you into the buildings, gets you into certain floors. That is already legal and already practical, under current law. Okay, so that's good, where you have a foothold of private property. And you have a group membership of Gray tribe membership and private property. You also issue T-shirts, and T-shirts are, let's say, the similar Gray color and it's just got different logos and patches on it.
Take total control of your neighborhood. Push out all Blues. Tell them they're as unwelcome as ... just as Blues ethnically cleanse me out of San Francisco, push out all blues. And then you'll easily win.
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Reds should be welcomed there and people should wear their tribal colors. No Blues should be welcomed there. And in addition to celebrating celebrating Gray and celebrating Red, you should have movies shown about Blue abuses. For example, there's this guy who's addicted to drugs, who was addicted to drugs he posts on Twitter about how the Blue government helped him get addicted to drugs. You should have an interview with him. There should be lots of stories about what Blues are doing that is bad.
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Elon, in sort of classic Gray fashion ... captures Twitter and then, at one stroke, wipes out millions of Blues' status by wiping out the Blue Checks and, another stroke, you know, where it does cause some damage, renames Twitter as X, showing that he has true control, and it's his vehicle, and that the old regime isn't going to be restored.
Push out all the blues, reds should be welcomed. Gray sounds very enlightened centrist.
Biggest freedom of opinion supporter on Lemmy
🤷🏻♀️ If your opinion is that I should be forced to medically support a nonsentient bundle of cells against my will and most likely at the expense of my physical and mental health, you don't really deserve freedom of opinion ngl
Maybe that makes me a "wrong think must be punished" authoritarian but honestly idc, let's outlaw being a shit human
This is horrific but being discussed in such a light manner.
out of the loop, why get rid of doctor's? whadda hell happened?
It's regarding the overturned Roe vs Wade supreme Court decision.
damn, I'm so sorry.
Good for that kid!
Then why goto the doctor for a checkup?
This is likely in the context of abortion bans in some US states. Presumably they still trust the doctor to do a regular checkup for everything else.
And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they're asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.
She's not wrong, a doctor doesn't need specifics for a checkup.
That entirely depends on where you are going, what insurance networks they deal with, and what the appointment was scheduled for.
Going in for a sinus infection, yeah that's probably not going to be necessary. Going in for a women's wellness check up? They are probably going to have to input something depending on the forms the institution uses for electronic medical records.
Certain insurances will utilize specific metrics to determine reimbursement. If you don't document certain information they may use it as an excuse not to reimburse the provider.
Every time I’ve gone to the doctor in the US since several years before I actually had my first period (I was a late bloomer), I’ve been asked about the date of my last period. Since I moved to Germany (a country with a longer life expectancy than the US), I’ve only been asked if I could be pregnant before X-rays and prescriptions or when it’s been relevant to my visit (abdominal cramps, unexplained vomiting, etc.). I understand if you didn’t realize that it’s asked for absolutely everything or if you thought it was actually necessary, but it’s both constant and unnecessary.
Yeah it's like asking about your last bowel movement. Potentially important to your health, but probably not pertinent
It's like trying to buy alcohol from a legal market - the seller will absolutely rat you out to the cops to protect themselves and their business. Same thing, you can't trust them if you're potentially breaking the law. Sadly, this is going on for women simply being suspected of getting pregnant so the government can keep tabs on them. It's gross
Yeah, women should just avoid doctors and routine checkups altogether/S
What's the context for this? Did a doctor rat someone out or something?
Don't American doctors have to report pregnancies now that abortion is illegal?
Not in every state, just majority Republican like Texas, but there are people pushing for it federally.
Off the top of my head, I remember an article from Reddit on privacy a bit ago where a nurse told authorities that a lady didn't want a pregnancy.
Huh?
No period dates now, means no abortion/pregnancy tracking later
You know that “mom” voted for Trump in 2016
Why? While the post could maybe be read as a condemnation of the daughter, it could equally be read as condemning medical professionals and/or politicians legislating women's bodies.
I read it as a mom supporting her daughter and being exasperated with the system. I didn't even realize it could be read the other way.
It can be read either way, but I checked her post history and she's no Trump supporter.
We don't know that at all.
I rather assumed that mom was the one who told her to keep her mouth shut,
I distrust doctors, but mostly because at least 70% of them are just prescription ChatGPT's
So I'm assuming you go to Bing for medical advice?
Epic
That's how you fucking die because the doctor didn't know enough of your medical history.
Doctor: "Are you allergic to anything?"
Person: "I have a few allergies but nothing you should worry about, please fill my prescriptions now".
Also I'm pretty sure a doctor knowing when you go on your period can be important when prescribing birth control.
If the state decides to punish people for having allergies and to violate medical confidentiality to force doctors to report these people - you wouldn't want to tell your doctor about your allergies either.
WOOOSH
not really. typically birth control is prescribed with instructions on when to start in relation to your period. they don't need to know the exact date.
well, you don't have to answer the doctor, and he/she doesn't have to prescribe or help you. bye, don't come back. you don't get to ask for help then stonewall, just don't come.
If you are capable of refusing service you have no right to ever call yourself a healthcare professional
I'm not a healthcare provider. but if you can't answer simple questions, maybe don't go see one?
