Some may remember several years ago when the jackass head of Papa Johns cried to Fox News, "if I have to give my employees decent health care the price of pizza will go up 10 cents!!" - as if that comment was supporting his argument.
The higher price of $8.65 for a cheeseburger combo doesn't seem too bad to me. Only one or two places I can think of around here are cheaper than that.
I've had both, I'd totally eat a bag of Dick's. :)
I have yet to have a decent In-N-Out burger. Burned little hockey pucks. 4 different restauaraunts. LA, Sun City, Cupertino, San Francisco. Animal style, not animal style... doesn't matter.
Man, I wish more businesses operated like Dick's. They sound like they legitimately care about their workers and community. What good is the "free" market when it comes at the expense of peoples' happiness and wellbeing?
A few years ago a dollar would get you a double-cheeseburger at the McDonald's down the street from my office. Now it will get you 30% of a hash brown.
The employees make the same now as they did before.
Pretty much every fast food place had a $1 menu for awhile, full of cheap stuff like single cheeseburgers and small fries. You could spend $3-4 and get quite a bit of food for an adult!
The hash browns inflation really has been something else man. I feel like it's partially because the app basically gives away a bunch of breakfast food almost for free, and then asks if you want to add a hash brown to the order. Of course I'm going to add the hash brown. It's bullshit that it is $3, but I can't like not have the hash brown. That would be un-American
Absolutely agreed. Wages keep going up yet everyone is struggling. Hell I make a good salary and I'm struggling to scrape by. I was better off in 2019 making a fraction of what I'm making now. Wtf is happening?
COVID and the result of 4 years of tax cuts for billionaires/corporations catching up to us. It's probably going to continue to get worse while Republicans block congress because, while under Biden they can't really get much done in terms of fucking up wealth taxes even more, their presence also means that we can't really fix it either and it's going to stay broken with the rich getting taxed far too little.
Progressive New Deal tax policies with very good wealth taxes (around 94% for the highest marginal tax rate) are what made the American economy boom during and after WW2, and conservatives took that away from us by cutting their tax rate by over half (Reagan especially fucked it up and made it as low as 30%) and shifting the tax burden to the poor. Now we have a situation where the ultra-rich pay less taxes than the working class and our society is collapsing due to it.
Except they were already charging more than enough before the minimum wage increase. People should stop blaming the employees and start looking at the business owners.
Ah yes, the infamous greed of In-N-Out who pays more than the average software developer salary for their store managers.
There's a lot of companies that suck, but In-N-Out and Costco are two of the fairly well known examples of just how fairly large and successful companies could treat their employees if they weren't leeches.
...and if a company can't afford to pay their lowest paid workers a few dollars more when the highest paid CEOs are paid 500 to 1000 times more than them, then maybe the CEOs don't deserve to be paid that much.
Maybe there's a wealth gap in society that doesn't deserve to exist, and that's the real problem.
It's funny cause lots (not all) of the small business owners complaining wouldn't have a problem if they worked their own business instead of just hiring someone to do it for them and getting paid a ton to just own it.
Good, then the market will be freed for an other company to take its place, which can pay its workers a decent wage, so they can rehire all those workers whom lost their job.
A business doesn't have the right to exist, only the privilege.
And that privilege expires if it doesn't add anything positive to society.
In California, and maybe Oregon, employees can wear masks if they feel it necessary, and they have to follow mask mandates established by the governing bodies.
All other in and out restaurants (not located in those 2 states) employees are not allowed to wear a mask at any time for any reason.
The "problem" is, they already were profitable and making money, they didn't have to fuck over customers. The owners just can't even comprehend the concept of "making less money".
That is the problem, but End Wokeness is not claiming that. They are claiming that we end up paying for the raises so we shouldn't do it which is fucken bullshit. What 4000 years of mamon worship does to a mf.
As someone else here said, apparently In-N-Out was already paying $20/hr, they may have just used this opportunity to increase prices because everyone else is doing it as well.
The biggest leap was at a Burger King, where a Texas Double Whopper meal cost $15.09 on March 29 but surged to $16.89 on April 1, a whopping increase of $1.80 (nearly 12%) for the same meal.
The Big Fish meal also jumped from $7.49 on the menu before April 1 to $11.49 after — an increase of $4 (53%).
End... The acknowledgement that there has been systemic racism that has affected a population of people that we might better treat our neighbors...?
End... The consideration of people not like yourself and recognize that they face injustices and persecution that we might stop them from being persecuted...?
Yeah... Anyone who wants to end those things and everything else that "woke" stands for is never going to exactly have anything intelligent thing to say.
Almost as if it's a grifter account that exists to illicit reactionary responses, both for and against. I would hardly even call this a "take" since it isn't even an outright opinion. Let me be clear though, I do not like this account either.
This is the wrong argument and I'm tired of it. The real argument here is - McDonald's et al don't need to raise prices because of the new wage law. They choose to raise prices rather than cut executive pay, or adjust profit margins, or make any other kind of internal adjustments.
This discussion needs to stop being "x raised prices because they had to and government bad" and start being "Billion-dollar-profit company is screwing over consumers because they can".
Even worse, they have empirical proof that they are able to use good ingredients, pay a living wage, provide paid parental leave, and give retirement and medical while having lower prices than they charge here. It's called Denmark.
This is like the housing shortage issue, the real issue is not that there are not enough houses and we need to build more, it's that wealthy people need to adjust their hoarding to leave enough for others to have a home.
We know of course wealthy people will not do this voluntarily, so that leaves two options -- we need more good people running for office to displace the psychopathic hoarder class (and people to vote for them, i.e. political reform) or some sort of revolution that eliminates that hoarder class.
so that leaves two options – we need more good people running for office to displace the psychopathic hoarder class (and people to vote for them, i.e. political reform) or some sort of revolution that eliminates that hoarder class.
Well, you say two options, but I only see one restated two times with slightly different wordings. As in, it's gonna be more or less both of those things, to some extent.
the real issue is not that there are not enough houses and we need to build more, it’s that wealthy people need to adjust their hoarding to leave enough for others to have a home.
Yep. It's fucking insane that we're having to pretend like there's not enough to go around when there's just not enough to satiate a minuscule part of the population for whom nothing will ever be enough.
It's like a hospital pretending there's not enough supplies to give patients with terminal cancer and broken bones pain medication because 95% of meds are being shot up by some junkies on the roof, and everyone knows it and even curry favour from the junkies (who wouldn't mind stealing your grandmas cancer meds.)
I wish there was a goddamn economic calculator. Revenue minus (operating costs + re-investment + R&D) then divide it amongst all employees. Let us rank companies based on how bad that number is vs what the employees are actually paid.
This is an extremely small price to pay for someone being able to live.
I'll happily spend an extra nickel for a shake if it means someone can house and clothe themselves, or a quarter for a burger for the same.
I make decent money (not extravagant, but I'm not exactly struggling at minimum wage), and this is a pittance for what they are getting out of it.
But conservatives, or more accurately, aggressively capitalist people, only see that their prices are going up. They're looking at "how does this affect me " with no consideration of helping their fellow citizen. It only affects them by costing them more for a burger.
My favorite is when they're like "I'm an EMT and I only make $18 an hour! It's not fair they get more!" Like yes, YOU ARE BEING UNDERPAID. Demand more for your work (collectively), don't bring others down for the sake of your overlords.
Yep. Just because you're underpaid, doesn't mean others shouldn't get paid more because it's more than what you make. You are underpaid, you should earn more. They are also underpaid, they should also make more.
But people get all hung up on someone at a "lesser" job making more than they do.... So go out and get yours. What's the problem?
So a 25% wage increase resulted in price rises of less than 4%. This is such a good trade off that you'd have to be extremely intellectually dishonest to be able to be against it.
Or extremely selfish. They see their wage stagnating while costs increase and think of lower-income earners as deserving of their place in squalor, rather than respected and dignified.
Here in Seattle ($20/hr minimum) an hour of minimum wage is enough to buy A Big Mac meal and still have $6 leftover. In BFE Georgia ($7.25 minimum), you would need to work over an hour. Going to say one is better than the other.
These price increases were either unrelated (there's a ton of geopolitical reasons the prices of wheat and other food ingredients have risen over the last few years), were purely corporate greed, or perhaps most likely a PR move.
In short, the answer is no. A McDonald's customer will pay approximately the same amount — give or take a dollar or two — for a Big Mac in Denmark as they would for a Big Mac in the United States. In fact, in many cases you'll actually pay less for a Big Mac in Denmark than you would in the United States.
This is End Wokeness so I suppose that's supposed to be a gotcha? Reminds me of when Fox and CNN were trying to bash Sanders in 2016 but they just kept making him look cooler.
News drone: So what, will you subsidize the health insurance industry then?
Sanders: WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY. EVERY MAJOR COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS....
News drone: Bernie Sanders hates jobs. Next up, should your cat be trained with a firearm? Stay tuned to find out.
I don't know about that, it really depends on the quality and size. At McDonald's in Italy you can find the simple hamburger for around 1€ and the double cheeseburger for around 2,50€, but the quality is horrendous. Instead, you can go to a proper pub, and you can get a proper burger, with a thick fresh patty and fresh ingredients, but you'll probably pay 10-15€ for that.
It's all about the quality really, and I have no idea if this US joint is better in terms of quality than other similar chains. Also Europe means very little, the prices in Italy, Greece, England, Norway and Switzerland are wildly different, sometimes 2-3 times different.
Yes, fast food is dirt cheap here, mostly because we have a LOT of food available and the supply chain is very efficient.
But I ain't eating Mickey D's because it tastes really good. I eat it because it's fast, cheap, and filling and readily available everywhere when you need it.
If you really want the best of the worst, hit up the nearest convenience store and get a burger there. (Just don't eat the sushi - ever)
I think a lot of people here seem not to be aware In-N-Out has crazy good pay for their employees.
A store manager at In-N-Out makes $160,000 per year.
I don't think they even pay minimum wage for their newest and lowest tiered employees, having always paid at least a few dollars per hour more than minimum.
So it's an exceptionally bad example of a business impacted by a minimum wage increase despite being in the fast food category.
The funny thing about using In-n-out as an example for this is they were already paying over $20/hour in much of California. The mandatory wage increase would impact them least of all.
bad angle shot - tons of businesses didn't change their wage at all and had prices go up a lot more than this. how was that also the fault of nebulous 'wokeness'?
Exactly. This is just a greedy corp seeing the minimum wage increase as an opportunity to jack up the prices.
There is no way the increase in wages justifies such a pricing increase, with the volume they sell.
They saw an opportunity to abuse everyone and make the workers bear the responsibility for it, and so they rushed to it faster than matt gaetz rushes towards minors...
I'm not worried about the fast food prices on a 5 dollar item, I'm nervous about housing, cars, groceries. Multiply that quata by 200 and it starts becoming a lil mo harda YOUKNOWHATIMSAYIN bruh bruh.
Usually, yeah, but I think it's safe to say that when the company is spending more they'll raise prices to cover costs. Assuming that a price increase on the same day as wages go up was caused by anything other than the wage increase is kind of like plugging your ears and screaming you can't hear.
Like, it's not some unknown phenomenon. Business owners pass the increased cost to consumers rather than lose profits.
And that price increase is realistic. Margins are slim in food, so the labor cost to double wages is still pennies, maybe a quarter per item.
Hell, knowing capitalism it also raise the profit too.
And people would be cool with that. We're already seeing prices go up more than this anyway. But if everyone's pay went up, we'd all buy more shit, and everyone would make more money.
Capitalism is failing because people with more money than they could ever spend still want more so they can say they have the most. The number doesn't matter, they just want everyone to have less than they do. So they don't even act in the best interest of the economy. If the poors have money, they might give it to another wealthy person, so they keep it hoarded so it stays with them.
Minimum wage goes up slightly every year, but the cost of everything goes up slightly more.
It's just a brake on our decline.
Everyday life has gone from: single income 4 person family: no issues. All the way to: dual income, 2 person household: not enough money to buy the food required to keep doing your job.
Something needs to break, i can only hope it's all these planet ruining, greedy ass, underpaying and overcharging businesses.
Price increases without an increase to minimum wage: "That's just companies charging what the market has decided as a fair price"
Price increases along with an increase to minimum wage: "OMG! GREEDY WORKERS ARE BLEEDING US DRY!"
If we're going to have a system that's foundationally built off greed, then a workers "greed" of wanting a wage they can live off of is just as valid as a corporation's actual greed of wanting to maximize profits, except we should prioritize the "greed" that benefits actual human beings.
Everyone's commenting about how it's obviously the wage increase that made the prices go up but also it's March 29th to 1st April, which is usually when prices go up anyway because the next financial year is about to start.
I love how the guy is blaming minimum wage workers, who have no control over prices, than the mega corporation that used the raising of minimum wage to raise prices across the board.
I would never, ever pay 25 cents more for a burger because I don't have to. It's a scam by the restaurant owner who wants to keep making money hand over fist at the expense of their employees and customers. You paying more has nothing to do with paying the employees more, it goes straight to the top like always. This strikes me the same as people begging for video games to cost $70+ bc they think that means the developers will get payed more. That's not how capitalism works
There is a significant subset of our population that would gladly support slavery, or at best slave wages, if it meant the price of goods remained the same. Don't tell them how the sausage is made.
I feel like this person is valid for saying this because it'd be a lot harder to defeat @EndWokeness's premise than just telling him he's a moron for hating a price increase for minimum wage.
That's the reason why UBI and raising the minimum wage isn't a permanent solution for the working class though. They are good and provide some relief certainly, but in the end the corporations will exploit even harder, raise prices causing inflation that makes the raises unimportant, and use all that as a debate point to show that giving back to the workers leads to price raises.
Workers should still fight for raises, benefits and better contracts, but the end goal should be ending the system that gives the owners of capital all the power in the world.
The way a UBI works is people using their new stipend to start up businesses undercutting the multi nats. And/or building up the human capital to be more able to do so, for the long game.
UBI is not a magic bullet, effort is still required.
Yep, UBI trials worked exactly because they were trials. It was just for a part of the population, so "adjusting the prices" relatively to it would have meant that the majority of the customers would have probably consumed less.
But, make it a predictable, widespread action, and the biggest corporations will immediately find a way to funnel that "extra money" straight in their pockets. Probably while being so aggressive at it that it will have the direct opposed effect to the desired one: making the 99% of people poorer.
25 for a double burger. Lesser burgers are not the high. Looks like it's 10 per patty, and 5 for cheese. I think I'll notice Wendy's "dynamic prices that totally doesn't count as surge pricing, stop saying it"
First of all, I agree with RBN. Most companies absolutely can pay their workers a higher wage with barely a dent in their profits. The payment is simply taken away from millionaires who spend it on luxury cruises and lobbying, or simply hoard it (which is even worse for the economy).
However, It seems you're using Twitter. I politely ask you never to post anything from that site here, because then people will need an account to respond. It isn't just the content on the site that is awful -- the website mechanics, like the removal of dislikes, blue checkmarks, and lack of characters, make it impossible to say what you mean. Tweeting your opinion is like trying to talk with clay in your mouth, or trying to write while your hands itch. As for me, Twitter does not constitute any valid information. All Tweets are useless prattle, and the massive presence of the site outside Twitter -- and the internet itself -- is a horrible thing. So, please, source your memes from somewhere else.
literally just said that thrown out food/produce is free. I realize the implications of the statement, but look at the fucking context.
this was OP by "end wokeness" Do you really think they care about poor people? There's also a difference between bitching about the high price of food because you have nothing better to be doing, and simply not being able to afford food, those are two entirely different problems.
And besides, what i said is still true, that shits STILL free. You can literally just take it. Ideally we should be having a bigger conversation about the fact that we THROW AWAY PERFECTLY GOOD FOOD but no, right now calling me a piece of shit for mentioning the fact that you can just nab that shit for free is somehow worse and morally corrupt.
I will say, the use of hyperbole statement as i tend to do to satirize others is respectable, unsure if post history digging or if you are simply like minded, but i respect it.