It's not such a joke for about 70 percent of the people who use a computer. All most people do is use the internet, write a document or two and check their email (most of the time using a web based service).
All of which can be done by any OS.
The only reason anyone would want Microsoft is if they specifically ran a program that required Windows .... most will say that MS Word runs better on Windows which is true but most people I know write or view the most basic documents that any word processing software is more than adequate.
And even if MS word is required by your school or work ... get them to pay for the OS and the word processing software.
Otherwise, the majority of the people I know with a computer only use it as a glorified tablet to access the internet and browse social media .... all of which can be done with the most basic Linux distro that won't hassle you with annoying popups asking you to do things you shouldn't even be thinking about.
I recently moved to Linux mint after years of thinking it would be hard or wouldn't offer the tools I needed. I've been extremely pleasantly surprised! I've moved over fully, working in CAD, spreadsheets, all the normal stuff without any hassle. And none of these pop ups anymore.
Hi, what do you use for spreadsheets? I've tried librecalc but so far its a major hassle - the cells are way too small on my 1440p monitor and I cant figure out how to fix it.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
But seriously: another comment here points out some tool
Then Microsoft will either tell you to use Edge and Bing (or else!), or just set this automatically.
I had this issue on the windows box at work. For some time, whenever I opened Firefox, it told me that it was not set as the default browser. I fixed this, only to get the same message again the next day.
Last distro I installed for personal use was Ubuntu and it was lousy with these types of popups (note: this was about 10 years ago)
Edit: It's really bizarre to me that nobody remembers how intrusive and persistent Ubuntu One was (decom'd 2014), though in fairness it's not precisely what OP is experiencing with regards to Bing/Chrome
gaming on linux has gotten MUCH, MUCH better over the past handful of years. I’ve been on linux exclusively for 6 years and in that time ive gone from using Lutris for everything and only installing the few verified titles through fairly complex wineconfigs other people made, to a brief check of protondb before installing whatever i want from Steam and having it work out of the box. basically the only things that don’t work anymore are competitive anticheat softwares, like Valorant’s.
Switching to Apple looks to be expensive. OP may not be able to use their existing machine and would have to spend a few thousand to buy a Mac. All that just to avoid an annoying pop-up?
If you're going to the trouble of learning a new OS, IMO you might as well just go straight for Linux. Gaming is a lot better on Linux than on OSX as well.
Linux has come a long way with gaming fortunately. I daily drive fedora and use Proton-GE/Wine-GE and can play most games with the exception of some problem ones (Assetto Corsa & Rust, I'm looking at you).
Only time I ever fool with W11 these days is when I use Studio One for music or play on of the (very few) problem games some friends want me to join them on.
I'd recommend checking out the Nobara distro for games.
Not surprising OSX is a better Windows in some ways. Switched to iPhone last summer for my daily driver and don't regret it. Best mobile experience I've had since my custom ROMs days on Android. Even started out setting up app folders to copy my Nova Launcher setup. That said, I'll be excited when more privacy respecting options come around to the mobile market for my next phone.
Using W11 today, that's my first thought too...It's just ad after ad for Microsoft services. You will fucking install O365 or Microsoft will kill a kitten.
Got this via Mastodon which will not let me search for the source.
If you're in the US, when you set up Windows for the first time, select English (Europe) or English (World), not English (US). That will stop it installing all the bloatware that USians are not protected from but everyone else is.
It's definitely a US thing, I'm on English (Singapore) and have not seen an ad, ever. I was perplexed by all the complaints of ads in the start menu and wherever, until someone pointed to me that it was a US thing.
You must switch back to English (US) after installation if you want access to Microsoft Store (and even if you don't, you probably should because most apps are now there).
I've seen a few tools to suppress most telemetry such as ChrisTitusTech's winutil or O&O ShutUp, maybe you could give that a try. Microsoft is really pushing hard Bing & Edge...
Also, as a Linux user, I must obliged to the rules and say there's alternatives out there if you want to try something new. :-) [email protected]
From what I've seen online, it must be done during installation. So short answer, no.
As others have said, you could also backup your data and do a fresh installation (from a boot media, not from Windows itself just to be extra safe).
ThioJoe also has a video talking about this English (Europe/World) thing and also provide a Powershell script to delete Windows bloatware. This option could be interesting if you don't want to reset your whole installation.
Throw all your important stuff onto a drive thay doesn't contain the OS. Then remove the drive and wipe the computer. You can set it up again and choose the non-bloatware options.
Why does it seem like any issue with Windows is met by "INSTALL LINUX!!!!". If the check engine light on my car comes on I am not going to buy a truck.
Better is debatable. For the average dev, Linux is an obvious improvement for most development tasks. For the casual user? Not even Ubuntu is 100% out of the box yet. I'm currently working through the migration to Ubuntu as my main OS and there have been things where I 100% had to open up a terminal for (or something similarly manual or confusing), which is typically not an option for non-developers or the technologically disinclined. Most Linux diehards seem to forget that not everyone is technologically literate, especially when they push the latest fork of a fork of a branch of arch with barely any UI or support for familiar applications.
My car serves my needs more than a truck does. Not only is it easier for a wheelchair user to get in, I can load/unload easier and it's more comfortable for me to drive.
But if your car has flat tires every 3000 miles, the engine explodes occasionally for no reason, the dash display keeps telling you about accessories you don't want instead of your speed, and the factory door locks are coat hangers twisted into an O ring, then shopping around seems like a good idea.
The fundament of GNU/Linux and Windows are totally different. The annoying things with Windows are just symptoms of the underlying principle, which is to milk you as much as possible. It's like switching from smoking to not smoking
While I wouldn't comment something like that myself, as I think it's not productive, it's quite strange as a Linux user to see these posts like "The makers of the OS I use on the computer I paid money for and now own are trying to screw me over in a new way today. How can I fix it?"
The thing I am now curious about is if this is, quite predictably, Lemmy's existing culture, OR if they were having a perfectly good time in their clubhouse until all the most insufferable Redditors came charging in here.
LMR should have been more helpful in this thread, but, more people installing Linux will solve more issues with Windows beyond a pop-up. Maybe Microsoft will actually improve their OS instead of putting FUCKING ADVERTISEMENTS IN WINDOWS 11
What about "INSTALL A DIFFERENT OS!!!!!"? Is that better? There are reasonably two others to choose from, and one of those doesn't require the purchase of expensive equipment and arguably a path into an even more controlled ecosystem.
And your analogy is way off. This isn't a malfunction of Windows that a technician is going to fix, never to be seen again. This is more like a rep from the car manufacturer meeting you at your car every morning to ask if you want to install their factory upgrade. You tell them that you never want to see them again, so next week they start sending a different representative. You have no other options.
Well, except getting a free car that doesn't send a rep.
I'd like to mention Windows 10 LTSC here. It's an official Windows 10 Edition from Microsoft, designed for enterprise and embedded usage. Therefore it has no bloatware, no annoying feature updates, no ads and only the absolute minimum of telemetry. If you don't like Windows but somehow have to use it, this might be the right choice for you.
If you use modern hardware it doesn't behave quite well and gets worse battery life. If you use any tools from Microsoft (WSL, Office, Windows Terminal, etc) most of those are incompatible or a pain to install. If you use anything from the Microsoft Store, including Game Pass, since it just doesn't include the Microsoft Store.
Use software like shutupwin10 or various other open source debloat scripts to remove a shit-ton of annoying features in windows. Or, as lemmy galaxy-brains would have it, JuSt uSe LiNuX
Are you actually bots? I can't believe you would suggest either chrome or bing if privacy is a concern to you. It's firefox and duckduckgo all day, every day...
I mean, if I was a bot, I'd probably be more productive.
I think you might have meant to ask if I was a shill. But in any case, OP specifically asked a question in relation to using Chrome and related to being pressured to use Bing. While my suggestion was pretty tongue-in-cheek, it was still on topic. You saying "Use Firefox instead" is kind of a poor answer that might appeal to your bias, but isn't really on topic for this question. I would guess that OP is aware of other browser options.
And another is to just use Microsoft Edge already. Jesus Christ, Edge is an ACTUALLY GOOD WEB BROWSER. It's based on Chromium, so there's no usable difference, plus you can access https://passwords.google.com in Edge with no issue.
How about you galaxy brain "just switch to linux" people actually give some helpful advice? Clearly there's a registry edit that can be made for Windows users that would take all of 5 seconds to complete, rather than an entire week formatting, installing, reconfiguring an entirely new OS that also requires a degree of command line knowledge.
And most games work, and most programs work, and for the rare ones that don’t you can use a Windows VM as long as you have just enough attention span to sit through a youtube tutorial
yeah, it's frustrating when they're smug about it but I'd argue that suggesting an alternative where this issue doesn't happen is helpful advice even if you don't agree with it. I do agree that 'just switch to linux' is a gross oversimplification as there will be some growing pains and there are a few hurdles that may at present be unsurmountable. I also find it amusing that you present digging up registry hacks and fighting for control over your system for the rest of time to be easier than a modern linux installer that takes about 5 minutes to click through the gui with no command line knowledge needed. I guess the point is that you should use whatever you're comfortable with, but if you haven't tried linux in a while you might find it to be less of a fight than windows is becoming.
This... is actually true. I'll concede that even as recently as 4, 5 years ago it might have not been entirely true, but now it is - Linux has become so accessible (look at Mint, Pop_OS) while Windows has (somehow) become even more hostile to its user base to the point that an average user would actually have an easier time switching than staying in the long term. I didn't think I'd be able to write this with a straight face, but I honestly think this is now true.
I use Windows for gaming but if we need an in-depth technical solution every time Microsoft comes up with some new annoying BS, maybe Linux users have a point to suggest something else. It's not like the Registry is exactly intuitive to the average user.
I find it a bit ironic that the thing that made it easier to ditch windows completely was o365 web apps, they're actually decent if you have to use them. Thanks microsoft.
I think the just use linux voices are getting louder because every day more things just work out of the box, it may not quite be there for everyone yet but it's getting better every day.
Proton for gaming on Linux has come a long way. You still cannot get to 100% parity with all games and programs, and if you absolutely need something that isn't supported on Linux, you are out of luck, but chances are that most people would actually be able to use everything they need. I understand there's also the learning curve and not everyone has time or inclination, but for those that do, in 2023 it's absolutely worth a try.
Microsoft will never stop developing new ways to be anticompetitive leeches on society. You learn how to use one debloating tool, they'll take the developer of that debloating tool to court and have it pulled from circulation. You learn what registry key to edit, they'll change it. You get used to a menu, they'll remove it.
You have a choice:
1, You can continue that arms race with a monstrous evil megacorp, which you will continue to lose, or
2, you can switch to a platform that doesn't treat you this way in the first place.
Linux Mint among many others has a feature complete GUI which will provide anything the average user needs, including a graphical app "store" for installing software. The desktop paradigm is quite similar to Windows, it will be mostly familiar. The CLI is frankly easier to deal with than Windows' endless and redundant series of settings menus and applications. When someone asks for help on a text-based forum like StackOverflow or Reddit or Lemmy, it's easier to tell them "Open a terminal and copy-paste lshw -f" than it is to tell them "Open the Start menu and click Programs > Administration >Regedit then look for a thing that says win11embraceextendextinguish and toggle that from 1 to 0, and do this after every update because it automatically changes it back."
Linux does not require a week to install. Windows does. My father bought a new Dell about the time I built my little Ryzen box I'm typing this on. It took him over a week to wipe the factory Win 10 Dell Bloatware Edition image for vanilla Win 10, fuck around with drivers, then manually go to individual software websites, download installers, run them, haul out CDs and DVDs and install software (including Office 2010, the damned old chad) one at a time, then restore a backup of his files...He was actively engaged with this task for over a week. I had it done in about three hours, most of which I actually spent trimming my hedges while waiting for files to download or transfer from an external HDD. It was a 100% GUI process; I didn't open a terminal throughout.
Sure, Linux is different than Windows and this will take some learning. Just like Windows does every time they come out with a new version and you have to learn where they arbitrarily rearranged basic functions to this time. When I switched to Linux a decade ago, it was a similar process in going from Win 98 to Win XP, or XP to 7. Except after awhile the basic reorientation finished, and I started learning new things.
People who spend half their free time troubleshooting a simple driver install on their OS need to feel like it's worth it, hence they justify it by their sense of superiority. Sunk cost.
“Driver install” is mainly a windows thing. Linux ships with drivers that just work out of the box for nearly everything, with the only notable exception being Nvidia‘s proprietary drivers. However, every distro streamlines the installation process for that since it’s so common (And Nvidia is slowly moving towards open source anyways)
The first time you connect a printer to your linux machine and you find that it just fucking works is when you will see the light.
The above is my solution until taking the other advice on this thread and transitioning to Linux. Only thing holding me back there is gaming (which already works great for most people, I had trouble with my GPU). There are so many things about Linux that are just better than Windows now, and a high number of use cases these days are met with Firefox and libre office.
What GPU issues were you having btw? If they're driver related you could use a distro that has Nvidia drivers baked into the ISO by default like pop_os, just use their Nvidia ISO for the install.
AMD actually, newer 7900 xtx I think. It wasn't a problem with the Linux desktop environment, but games crashing. At the time I didn't have much time or patience to get it set up :/
Win 11 just isn't going to happen though, too many good options now. If something doesn't work by then 🤷♂️, guess it isn't that important.
What driver issues? Granted, some hardware has driver issues, but loads (most, even, considering all the legacy hardware that is supported?) hardware is installed easier than on windows as it simply works without installing a blue ray worth of bloatware to get a printer to work , it simply works out of the box.
I've used Linux for over 20 years now for my desktops and laptops with a wide variety of hardware and software and yeah, I've had some issues here and there but nothing as bad as windows. Ignoring Nvidia cards specifically, last time I had a driver issue was.. over 5 years ago? 7 maybe?
Grantedz it's a personal anecdote, but still. Linux "never working due to drivers" is something that want even an issue anymore since over 10-15 years ago.
These days even most (if not all) games work on Linux as well. There is a reason why even Microsoft uses Linux for their shitty Azure platform
Chrome doesn't have anything to do with it. The popup is an executable Microsoft installed and ran without asking. I use Firefox and it still popped up.
Straight up the same playbook that other entities used in the past to get your grandma to install unwanted search bars in internet explorer. No wonder Windows Defender is so advanced, Microsoft has a lot of experience as the developer of the most popular malware in the world.
I get that the comment is almost surely circlejerk, but it is also honestly the only real answer to OP's question, isn't it? To switch OS?
So it's kind of hard to get mad at their comment when it's the only viable option. Is your problem with Linux or is it the fact that it brings you anxiety to know MS is in control of you? What if we substitute another OS for "Linux"? Does that make you feel any better?
I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk; these are honest questions. That's probably saying more than for OP, though; they, of course, knew the answer before they asked.
Why are you expecting obscure Windows advice (MS obscures it because they want to continue nagging people to use their shit) from people who gave up entirely on Windows?
MS is nagging people to use products they don't want to and now you're nagging someone who doesn't use Windows for advice that they likely don't know and probably don't really care to find out.
There's probably a way to prevent this specific pop-up from appearing, but that solution may or may not apply to future pop-ups. The only way to guarantee windows will never nag you is to not use it. Even giving in will just prevent this particular nag.
I think this is the biggest help they can get. We are selflessly sharing what is free and works the best for you. You have to admit that we have no bad intentions.
I wanted to agree, but then they just had to add a load of bullshit invalidating everything else.
You can't tell me that Linux isn't easy in this day when the biggest hurdle is just the installation; that Windows is well designed (better than Linux, which isn't really an apples to apples comparison, there's so many distros, many of which are surely better than it anyway) when it very clearly isn't, not only by being hostile to the user, but the layers of paint they have to stack on top of each other every major release because, god forbid, their enterprise users are gonna freak out if you rewrite the core apps from scratch and give them a coherent experience. Microsoft is a monopoly and acts like it, if you have the occasion to move away from it, then it's the best decision you can make.
All that said, telling people to move to Linux when they ask a specific OS related question is stupid and doesn't help the person in need. Give them the answer they're looking for and let them figure out for themselves if the whole OS they're using is bad and if they should switch out.
My suggestion is to download something like Windows Privacy Dashboard and disabling/uninstalling as much telemetry options as possible.
I've never got that kind of ad push, so i have to ask where you got it? Was it from using the search bar beside the start button? If so, maybe completely disabling and uninstalling Cortana might fix it.
I haven't used the one you mentioned, so I can't tell. But I had used one called Windows10 Debloater which worked well for my use case, but is no longer maintained.
The comments are weird. How often do you even see this? I feel like I remember it once and hit don't switch and thats it. Not sure why you keep getting it, but I also don't use edge so maybe that is why. I would imagine if there is a way to stop it it's in settings somewhere or possibly a local group policy maybe.
I saw this exact popup yesterday, I remember seeing something similar to it before but it has been quite a while. The thing is, this single popup broke my computer entirely, I was playing a game and it jumped in front of the game, immediately stole the games inputs and I couldn't even pause it. Then clicking don't switch did absolutely nothing and the popup remained there, and any attempt to forcefully close the popup failed. Also, I was streaming at the time to my tv, and attempting to use any system related screen is blocked (and this popup counts as a system settings screen!), So it just crashed the entire thing while I was trying to dismiss or close it. I was stuck and couldn't even reboot, had to hold the button and lose any progress I had in the game.
So yeah, I would be very interested in not letting this happen again as well.
Now that is a crazy story and can understand being really annoyed if that happened! I definitely have had my share of wtf moments on Windows as well so I get it.
I've been using bing for the past 6 months or so, ever since the chat gpt integration.
In 6 months, I've earned enough points to get a $5 taco bell gift certificate.
Overall, the quality of results that I get are... Not as good as google. I find myself frequently re-searching things on Google because I actually do not find what I'm looking for on bing. And then on Google, the perfect result is the first or second listing.
Now, Google is integrating bard into searches. Sometimes it sucks, yes. But it is basically just as good as the bing chat gpt thing. So... Yeah. I'm going to go back to Google search soon.
I don't care that much about privacy anyway. I don't really get why privacy geeks talk about Google collecting your searches while willingly keeping Mozilla telemetry (which is something W disables by default) on. What's the difference? I get why Google shouldn't be collecting external data but I have no issue at all with giving them the data I actually input. Plus Firefox has a lot more deals with bad privacy groups like Google, Fakespot, and Pocket.
You can't make the assumption that they got worse on privacy just because they got bought. They're open-source, show me the code.
Waterfox is said to be slightly faster. They also seem to have a lot more focus for development.
Waterfox disables some of the Mozilla BS, like Pocket and that weird redesign of tabs to floating, by default.
Bing has honestly been a lot better for me than google. I refused to use it for so long because it was just a joke when it first came out. But I started not being able to find any decent search results on google and the entire first page is now ads versus just the first few results. Bing also has an AI thing that will just give you a straight answer to a question and links to where it found it. I'd say to give it a try.
I really hate how results open in a new tab, if you change the option it'll get reset eventually since it's saved to a cookie instead of your account. The rewards system is cool though, I've gotten like 500k+ points lifetime
All of this stuff is A/B tested, region/locale divided, edition divided, hardware divided, based on what other stuff you've agreed to and more. You don't have to do anything to encounter this stuff.
I've never seen this appear. Is this in chrome? Anyway, like some people here have suggested, you can use a debloater script or something similar. I personally use O&O Shutup10. Hopefully enabling some options in there would work. Or you could just accept it and then change your search engine back to whatever you use lol.
Where/when does this popup come up? Is it in your browser, is it a Windows notification?
The most recent time I think I saw this was the latest Windows 11 update, but you can just click No and it goes away. Microsoft is being annoying persistent about getting people to use Bing now because of ChatGPT and Edge though. Hopefully there is a limit, if not the annoying Linux recommendations might actually start to have some merit.
Do you just need an adblock extension on chrome? Should be an easy fix. Or the O&O shutup program may work as well, have used that in the past effectively.
I use Chrome on Windows and have never seen this, or at least, not for years so hard to know where the setting is to disable exactly.
Lol @ the responses saying to switch OS. Such extreme views.
As others have said, there's going to be some registry setting you can change to negate this. Short term, this should work, but may need to be repeated if any updates revert the change.
The long term solution is to just stop using Windows, because it's clear Microsoft is intent on turning it into a bloated, ad-infested piece of trash.
Windows 7 (or arguably XP) was the last decent version of Windows, in my opinion. Once I saw what was coming next, I started dabbling in Linux. Now I use Linux most of the time. It's definitely a big change, and there's a lot of new stuff to learn, but I love having an operating system that doesn't look like a corporate junk mailer pamphlet.
I forget the name of it, but I remember there is (or at least used to be) a tool that would give you more granular control over the stuff that's under the hood of Windows.
If you search for "Windows God mode tool" or something along those lines, your should be able to find it.
Not sure if this will get rid of your pop-up modal specifically, but it might allow you to mess with other configurations that can prevent these sorts of things.
It's not. It's a Microsoft signed executable that gets dumped in the temp directory and run. I was pretty angry when it popped up (not least because Windows had just bluescreened while trying to resume from hibernation - hibernation because modern sleep is shit). Rather then hunt down exactly how Microsoft got it onto "my" system, I just killed it and got on with my day.
It's a work laptop but I'm sorely tempted to drop NixOS on it anyway.
That definitely happens with the Windows 11 update screen my wife keeps getting on her laptop. When the device boots, it appears to have already started the installation, but it's just a fullscreen advertisement to install Windows 11.
Yes, it continues to prompt occasionally afterwards.
They have a bunch of these things that get prompted periodically even if you said no initially (like things on install/upgrade). SOME of them only come back once. But Microsoft dynamically chooses what to push on people so that can change at any time.
Ok , first switch to Linux. Wait wait here me out :)
Do a dual boot system and switch in between until your ready to move.
Your windows install should be windows ameliorated , i.e windows AME.
This removes everything from Windows , included updates. Can't use latest office and unsure about gaming issues. I got it since I had one corp software I was forced to use.
Only way to actually stop windows shit.
Windows works (more or less) out of the box. Linux, doesn't work out of the box, every single thing you want to install takes 5x as long as it would on Windows. Gaming is still a mess. I'm not arguing that Linux isn't more capable with less bloatware and shit, but it's definitely not something your average computer user could ever wrap their head around.
I would posit that perhaps your experience with linux was negatively impacted by a (or multiple) difficult distros.
There are many distro's, of which I'd recommend endeavourOS, that work 'out of the box' and install things extremely quickly. I agree that the majority of distro's haven't reached 'general user viability' yet, but it's folly to continue to promote such anti-consumer operating systems and software(s) as those produced by companies like Microsoft and Apple.
These companies produce a nice front-facing software that has a generally unreliable and easily broken back end with multiple security holes that are often left unpatched and unnoticed until a nation state has the opportunity to use the zero day as an attack vector.
In no way am I saying 'open source solves all' because even the AUR has serious issues with oversight, but the requirement for education of the userbase and promoting open source values is certainly more important than embracing anti-consumer companies and practices to the detriment of not only the current general user but several generations of users as well.
The internet is slowly getting more and more restricted and as it becomes so the only ones to benefit are technological oligopolies. We're in the era of tech-barons now, and it's vastly more unequal than when oil barons were in power and that's not something I'd ever expected to see in my lifetime and I doubt it was something our grandparents or great grandparents expected either.
Freedoms being eroded from virtual reality having the impact of eroding freedoms in reality as well