UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione suggests evidence ‘planted’ after arrest
UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione suggests evidence ‘planted’ after arrest
Excerpt:
Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
Well I'm certainly disappointed in his "criminal sophistication".
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"sophistication"
Our incoming president is a convicted felon and RAPIST who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.
The rule of law doesn't mean shit anymore.
I could give 2 fucks if this guy lies through his teeth to get off the hook. Go for it bro.
I mean. They probably really did plant the money to try and paint it like it was a hired hit or something like that.
He didn't say the gun and ID was planted, which were also found on him. I don't see why he'd be like "yupp that murder weapon and manifesto is mine but that money sure isnt" if it wasn't true. I mean, what does he have to lose (or gain) by lying about that?
My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization
A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.
Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down
Sounds to me like they couldn't catch the real shooter but they snared a doplerganger and figured they could frame him up fast based on his social media. It doesn't make sense, his family are millionaires.....the boomers might buy this crap, but anyone gen x or younger isn't going to believe this for one minute.
Oh god it would be funny if the real shooter would make a video dropping some unrevealed provable facts and exposing the government if that would be true.
but they snared a doplerganger and figured they could frame him up fast based on his social media.
doppelganger* and please drop the unwarranted conspiracies jfc. I'm sure there is more to the story but you're quite literally making shit up.
I'm sure there is a lot more to the story but the dude was called in because he sort of resembled the pictures and a Karen min wage worker thought he was a little sus... Add in that she immediately tried to claim the reward.
Also, the sheer amount of damning evidence found on him is incredibly suspicious... That was all in his backpack... The day after they found the backpack in central park full of monopoly money. Absolutely nothing about this manhunt and suspect makes sense. Even accounting for social media misinformation this whole thing is almost too much satire to be real.
Sadly, the most probable outcome from this is gonna be more privileges to CEOs. After all, they are now exposed to be killed on the streets. Maybe their insurance, as well as their brute salary, will also be way better. And surely, countless jackos are aiming for the vacant position.
The outcome is the CEOs will get 24/7/365 security details and pass the cost off to their customers.
How far away are body guards effective? Both laterally and vertically?
I bet the security detail wouldn't even get insurance coverage for being wounded in the line of duty as it's obviously negligent to put yourself in harms way like that
With any luck people will be aiming for the non vacant position
His legal fundraiser has raised 27K in the space of a day. Free Luigi.
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Please share where that is, 27k is rookie numbers. I personally plan to donate $10k once I vet it and know for sure where it'll go.
I'm 100% serious.
A computer programmer with a common cyber security countermeasure you can buy on Amazon indicates criminal sophistication?
Sure Jan.
Sure Jan.
Lol, that made my morning.
Nope! It shows Federal crudeness.
My Christmas cookies from Costco come in a Faraday Cage.... I'm so criminal right now!
I went in an elevator today. I'm the real criminal mastermind, you guys.
I've got a Faraday bag and foreign currency as well lol
I live in Canada. I have a couple of US $ bills lying around. Does that make me a criminal?
YES! You make me sick.
And I'll pay out the nose to be healed but not trust the cure thank you! That's my right!
quietly removes Egyptian pound bill from wallet
You criminal fuck, get out of here.
That's sophisticated criminal fuck, my good sir, sophisticated!
So alls they got is a faraday bag, he likes playing computer games, and a recently used gun? Oh yeah…hundred percent this is the guy.
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It makes perfect sense for this to be a frame up because one of the incriminating items was a "Recently Used Ghost Gun", a cheaply made 3D Printed gun that leaves no special marking on the bullet and can only really be used once. They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly, which is why some congressmen want to see restrictions on 3D Printers.
This raises an interesting question: How the fuck is he dumb enough not to dispose of the gun that was meant to be disposed? And has two answers: He's just that fucking stupid or The evidence was planted
cheaply made 3D Printed gun
You could, if you were so inclined, make a rather nice 3D printed gun. Just saying.
that leaves no special marking on the bullet
No firearm on Earth actually does this, not even commercially made ones. The fantasy of "microstamping" has been just that, purest fantasy, ever since it was dreamed up by (I believe) some California legislators that were equally out of touch with reality. Forensic ballistic analysis does not work that way. In almost all cases, you cannot identify a gun by a recovered bullet or casing. You can, however, potentially match a casing or recovered bullet to a gun you already have in your possession.
and can only really be used once.
This is patently false, unless you suck at printing and assembling your gun.
They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly
Tons of people design and print their own guns purely as a hobby. Furthermore, before the advent of 3D printers plenty of people manufactured their own firearms without the aid of any such device -- again, largely as a hobby or to have complete control over the manufacturing tolerances of their gun. Making highly tuned 1911 "race guns" for competition shooting is and was very popular, for instance.
"Ghost gun" is just a pejorative term invented to make "homemade firearm" sound more spooky. You have taken propaganda hook, line, and sinker. The only difference between a "ghost gun" and a regular gun is whether it was serialized by a licensed manufacturer. While there are a few extremely niche homemade guns that could be categorized as "disposable," the vast majority are Glock- or AR-pattern firearms that use a full complement of factory parts.
It costs as much or more to finish your typical "ghost gun" than it does to build or buy a serialized firearm. They will also typically leave all the marks you'd usually expect on bullets and casings, because all the same parts touch the same way they do in a serialized firearm.
You don't seem very knowledgeable about the gun used in this situation.
All articles about what was found on him kept mentioning a metal slide and barrel along with a regular Glock mag, that heavily implies it was just a 3d printed Glock lower so basically just a regular Glock. The only way it would "leave no special markings on the bullet" would be if he used a gun with a plastic barrel, but I believe the FBI said shortly after the og liberator was released that it leaves enough plastic behind to be traceable.
In practice the gun is a regular Glock, that would be easily identified as not being legal in a few states. My guess would be that they weren't getting rid of it because it's still a perfectly serviceable firearm and he might have been planning on using it again or at least it probably seemed like a good thing to have when he was in fight or flight mode.
If you really want to get rid of evidence the metal barrel is going to be the most important thing to get rid of as far as being linked to a shooting. Ghost gun is just bad in general unless you are in one of the states that says it's fine
That's what me and my boy were saying, he was just walking around with this stuff for 3 days? Just a choice really.
From the article:
Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.
They should have said "the suspect's movements" or "the shooter's movements". Not "Mangione's movements". They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can't they?
I mean, if they want to go and taint every potential juror in the country they can go for it.
Maybe Luigi can sue them with all the money people on GoFundMe are desperate to give him.
It's an American newspaper, so it's up to the victim. Canada and EU have much stricter rules.
It seems kinda grey because they're not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they'd have to alledge, which they did alledge about his "type" of bookbag.
I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.
Yeah but by stating as a fact that it was Mangione who was witnessed and recorded they are stating as a fact that he is the killer, which we don't know yet. That is-- or used to be -- a big no no in reporting. But times have changed. Here is a link I found explaining how they are probably opening themselves up to a libel charge with this kind of language.
Was it an employee or a bystander/customer? I'm confused.
All the accounts I've read say it was an employee of the McDonald's who called police. But who knows? Probably one source printed that and then all the others just copied it.
Duh
Of course it was. He’s not the dude. Let this shit play out and become a cold case.
What if you find shooter's backpack ditched in park with jacket, gun, silencer, and fake ID used at hostel, but say it only had a jacket and monopoly money. And say that the guy probably left the state on a bus. Now you can pretty much do anything you want with any plausible-looking guy in the country you want.
I'm just asking questions! Also, most of the bags and purses you see for sale these days have a "faraday" phone bag or pocket in them, no level of sophistication required.
Since this involves the murder of a high-ranking CEO, rather than an ordinary joe schone, the police might resort to unconventional or potentially illegal investigative methods to track down the suspect. They could then potentially plant evidence to secure a conviction, as they may be unwilling or unable to disclose the investigative techniques used.
This is my favorite conspiracy theory to ponder over while waiting for the facts. Unknown methods could be blood magic, time travel (or viewing), Sentient AI/Alien overlords, or some kind of dragon ball yearly wish the powerful hid a long time ago.
Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.
the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy
"Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?"
"OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he."
UnitedHealth Group has lost $45 billion in value since CEO Killing
They can call us inhumane but they're the ones who got us thinking of human lives in dollar values
This whole thing is sooo fucking smelly. So, so very smelly
They can't have us realize its that easy to take our country back from the corporations that own it or their entire power structure and caste society comes crashing down.
They'll find 12 of the whitest old women to ever exist and hammer this guy, I can just feel it. The justice system exists for the rich and whoever did this fucked with one of their own.
My Nostradamus prediction of the day is that you are right. They will all miraculously had a great time with the private healthcare syndicates.
Turns out more than half the country has one.
Turns out your new president kinda wants to put that half in shackles, too.
Everyone should change their names on all their social medias to Luigi Mangione
Everyone should walk around with Luigi Mangione face masks.
Shut up about should and just fucking do it, Luigi Mangione.
Sincerely,
Luigi Mangione
That's the fastest way to get your courthouse blown up
Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he's falling for it.
"The gun WASN'T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!" etc, etc.
This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now "lawyer". Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.
"I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer."
It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn't mean they won't stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.
While this is generally good advice, it doesn't apply to public spectacle.
There's countless cases in the US where public pressure forced the government to drop charges or at least reduce sentences.
This guy has support from 99% of the people. Keeping that support is important to his defense.
Step 1 - Have an AI scrape social media looking for someone similar looking who has posted negative things about the insurance Industry.
Step 2 - sprinkle crack on them
Step 3 - ????
Step 4 - record breaking profits for health insurance corporations every year forever and ever and ever
People who know this shit have been through Mangione’s social media feeds.
https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/alleged-ceo-shooter-luigi-mangione
The guy likely did it. The guy's social media history puts him right in that "potential mass shooter" territory, but one more radicalized by pain rather than the right-wing shitholes of the internet.
But the part no one's talking about yet are the copycats to come. Because this guy got attention for it. Accolades even. That's part of what mass shooters want. Attention. Accolades are a wet dream for them.
At least this will be better than when they were murdering children for the shock value.
So yeah, I think "Rich asshole murdered" will become more common. If only the richest asshole in whatever Podunk little town the mass shooter was from.
And yet, I can't say that it will be a completely bad thing. If the mass shootings must happen, (and America apparently says they must) then I'd rather it be a rich asshole who bites it than a classroom full of grade schoolers.
I'm pretty sure Step 3 is "get out of here".
Looks like they are trying hard to rebrand the guy image by publishing pictures where he looks off. How i'm supposed to believe the government has no plan against the people when they pull stunt like this?
Fox news is saying people are supporting him because he's handsome and we're all a bunch of shallow morons.
Completely leaving out the fact that that CEO and others like him make decisions everyday to let people suffer and/or die for profit. To buy more yachts or whatever the fuck excessively affluent people do with money. Wipe their ass with it? Use the money from dead cancer patients who hit their lifetime maximum coverage to delicately pat their hemorrhoids clean maybe?
The media is trying so hard to spin this I hope they all get carpal tunnel from typing out all those half truths and outright lies. Then they have their claims for quality of life giving surgery denied. Then maybe they'll get it.
Mugshots rarely look good because they want a centered and level profile of your face with a neutral expression in order to capture as much detail as possible. It also might have been a minute since he's seen a shower or a razor. I wouldn't call that a conspiracy, there are much more important details at play here than his looks.
Trump's mugshot sure looked good with the practiced Hitler look that he gave. But of course he had help from the lighting guy who put on an uncommon (for mug shots) sideways light on him, thus giving an even more Hitler look to him.
they released multiple mugshots, pictures of him in jail and now there are even videos. That's not normal at all.
Mugshots are also designed to make people look bad because it used to be a way that criminals would use for self promotion. But if they look bad then it has the opposite effect making them seem more animalistic and thus more evil. Also often used in wanted posters if enough photos are available. This has been the case for long before photography was invented with drawings as well.
Otherwise, they'd look more like photo IDs, which have the same requirements and are bad compared to something framed specifically to flatter someone, but not as bad as mugshots. Doesn't help that most mugshots are taken after long, abusive "interrogation" sessions or other situations that exhaust them rather than immediately upon arrest, but that's on purpose.
But the tactic to use mugshots as self promotional got popular when photos first came around because if they could get in a good shot, it's not like the police could afford to take multiple. Film was expensive. And they were put in newspapers and such, so they spread around for free. Just look at the famous criminals of the Wild West era. So police doubled down on making sure the photos looked as bad as possible and it became a popular tactic to use against "famous" criminals. Now it's used against basically all criminals.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
Prosecutors, man. Acting like he had a fucking radio jammer or something.
There have been plenty of articles in popular media recommending Faraday bags for electronic devices. I have them for credit cards and car keys. It's definitely not evidence of criminal intent.
There is so much theft of cars happening because car manufacturers did fucking nothing to improve security. Now a guy with a laptop, and antenna, and radio software can clone your car keys and all they have to do is hang around enough to capture a few of the rolling code changes. They can do it from outside your house and through some obstructions too.
So yeah a Faraday cage of some sort for your car keys is just a good idea now. Guess that makes us all criminals.
Interfering with corporate profits! How dare you, filthy plebe!
You blocking corporate, that's illegal. They have the right to take all your information and sell it to the highest bidder
Prosecutors are another cog in the wheel of the regime. They only care for one thing is slobbing up the pole.
I am sure this parasite thinks he is going to make a career off this prosecution.
Disgusting
He had a waterproof wallet lol so spy
Didn't you know? Doing anything that interferes with corpos having full access to your profitable information means you're a criminal.
Prosecutors, man.
Mfs think he Gene Hackman from Enemy of the State.
Execution suspect. This was an execution done with popular support.
Maybe call it an assassination if uoj want to get political, but its widely recognized to being done in defense of the people. That's not murder.
Self defence suspect accused of stopping a mass murderer's rampage.
That has a nice ring to it.
I'm not convinced either way whether or not he's the culprit, but I certainly don't trust the authorities to give him a fair trial.
It seriously would be dismissed as a movie plot due to being too unrealistic..
One thing that lends credence to him being the culprit is that he's from a well-to-do family, with a Republican state congressman cousin, no less. I would think they would prefer a poor to be their patsy.
A LOT of yesterday's arrest is REALLY suspicious. Dude who could easily have fled the country (for a lot of reasons) and had done such a great job of covering his tracks is sitting in a mickey d's with his murder weapon and a manifesto.
But... a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but...) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell. Which... uh doy? And he is mostly focused on the money (super easy to plant) and the "faraday bag".
As for the faraday bag? A LOT of dry bags (an internal bag you put electronics and valuables into if you are going to hike in the rain or go rafting/boating) have a metal mesh. Because they need to withstand abrasians either from being near other gear (you would be shocked how much jagged metal is in a backpack when you go on a proper alpine overnight) or just being able to survive falling overboard and bouncing on the end of a rope in rapids. And guess what a metal mesh does?
So he presumably got a dry bag of some form to stash his personal shit in while he stashed the second backpack. And I know plenty of hikers and climbers who learn the fun way that the phone they carried "in case someone needs to get a hold of me" had zero signal the entire time it was protected from the rain.
Where is the body camera footage?
Until I see it, all of this shit fake news.
Luigi didn't do shit. They are just trying to pin it on any Italian guy that fits their narrative
Sure he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
It ain't a crime!
Why would someone this meticulous keep the gun that's could have been ditched? Write out a memefesto like two hours before being caught? Wear the same clothes that could've also been directed or burned? This feels like a patsy.
Because, as many of us pointed out, he was never some super meticulous hitman. He exhibited basic knowledge of firearms and got his stalker on like the ceo what got got was a pretty girl who asked to borrow a pencil that one time in biology class. The rest was taking a bus and wearing a face mask most of the time. It was inevitable that he would be caught unless he fled the country.
Mostly this just highlighted how incompetent cops are. And... might be used to further efforts to just use computer vision and rudimentary "AI" to process security camera footage in the future.
As for why he would keep his gun on him? The manifesto kind of says it all (and, to my knowledge, Luigi has not disputed THAT aspect of it). He wanted to get caught. Probably after making it clear he could have escaped if he wanted to (because getting on a flight out of the US would have been trivial).
To be clear. If he were to have disputed the gun and manifesto I would VERY rapidly be on the side of "cops are planting shit yet again'. But the fact that he hasn't (to my knowledge) while disputing other potentially planted or misinterpreted evidence puts the kibosh on that.
Fall guy, planted by the mob to give the NYPD credit that they aren't just a bunch of guys with big bellies keystone copping around, probably they have a deal with a mob boss to not bust their child exploitation ring if they have them some dude who can sit in prison
Maybe had more targets that he plans to "depose"? Maybe
You know the funny thing about these "ghost guns" is they are untraceable so you don't know where they came from. The best way to pin them to someone is to "pin" them to that person. This can be through forensics or proximity. In this case the suspect just happens to have a gun whose origins are unknown. Very convenient.
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But... a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but...) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell.
What are you referring to here? I'm not scouring the internet for all the information I can find but everything I've seen so far paints the picture of a perfectly sane person who was fed up with a broken system. I see similar sentiments all over the internet literally every day.
Well he also played this game where you act as an assassin called Among Us...
Is there a decent thread on the facts somewhere? I am still trying to wrap my head around how they connected the subject of the shooting video to the subject of the crime stoppers picture. There are so many diffs it's like a Mad Magazine bit.
Welcome to the US justice system, where the rules are made up and the facts don't matter.
Wait, people actually do that on accident? They aren't just making sure their boss can't call them?
How does "I'm not sure if it was planted" equate with suggesting evidence was planted? It feels like a linguistic stretch.
If he outright said it was planted, and then they could "prove" it wasn't, that would reduce his plea options, I think
It's his bag. If he put it in there, he'd know. If he doesn't know where it came from, it was probably planted.
I thought they found his backpack in central park.
They definitely put way more effort into this shooting than any of the others that happened on the same day. Obviously the police are looking for a scapegoat
He hasn’t said he didn’t do it, at least that we have heard. He’s just saying that a lot of the evidence is incorrect. The money is a flight risk, so they can argue to hold without bail. The manifesto, if it’s a plant, is to make him look “crazy,” so people distance (haha, backfire). And the faraday nonsense is to suggest that an ankle monitor would be of no use, so also no bail.
It’s all about holding him at this point.
The murderer was sloppy though. The best way to murder someone and get away with it is to get elected POTUS. or be the son of a POTUS. Don't go around committing crimes if you're a normal citizen, silly.
Yeah, prosecutors are really trying to smear this guy to look dangerous. Try harder. An RF-blocking bag is just to prevent theft, hacking and protect privacy. I'm a bit confident he's the guy but I can't say beyond a reasonable doubt given the circumstances and how the police are incentivised to frame anyone.
Since news reports keep jumping around between a McDonald's customer and a McDonald's employee offering the tip, every inconsistency will only bolster this guy's case. I can make guesses that this guy wanted to get caught or was a little sloppy, but if he says otherwise then finding everything including the gun is a little suspicious. Get him the best lawyer in the biz, I'm sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over.
I'm sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over
I could be OOTL, but I'm a bit puzzled this isn't happening at a massive scale given the overwhelming support. Anybody got his official Crowd Funding page or whatever you kids use these days?
The usual platforms have been racing to remove any crowdfunding pages for him.
I'm sure someone would do it Pro bono.
I don't believe this guy is guilty. He doesn't even look like the guy in the photo, whose jacket isn't even the same color as the shooter, not that it even means anything. That shit's mass produced just like almost everything else.
He had Ill will against corporate America, nobody would have that unless they were the killer! Sick evidence coppers!
The more they keep fuxking with the facts, the more this makes sense.
I just hope tomorrow a video alibi comes out of him jerking off on camera in Philly at 7am that Wednesday
The whole narrative will crumble and the working class will see what they really do to us.
- Likely wearing similar clothes to the widely circulated photographs. Otherwise how did anyone recognize him?
- Still had his ghost gun and manifesto on him.
- Cops asked him for an ID and he gave them the same fake New Jersey ID that had been widely reported as what he used to check into a hostel in NYC.
Where these just common mistakes? Made by the same person who succeeded at avoiding so many others? But if he was trying to turn himself in, getting arrested at McDonalds doesn't seem like the method I would have chosen. Was he trying for suicide by police?
I'm leaning on the side of a normal human 'on the run' and making normal mistakes. But there is enough to make me doubt that.
Also if they ever make a movie out of this, James Franco's brother Dave Franco has a passing resemblance.
If he did do it, he is going to be really popular in prison, but I imagine teased to. You realize that your not supposed to keep the ghost gun right?
Most people sent to US prisons commit victimless crimes. Very few of them used guns and the chances that he meets someone who used a ghost gun is near zero.
Most of the people he would meet in prison are black and brown people who were targeted for the color of their skin. The priosns are for-profit in the US, so keeping the beds full is important for the shareholders' dividends.
If another ceo dies from someone who looks like the guy while this guy is locked up then its realy gonna make the system look corrupt
Wear your Luigi mask
What kind of hell would that bring.
That's an exciting prospect isn't it.
The exact same style of a shitty resolution camera catching the upper frame of a guy's face while their only suspect sits in jail with evidence constructed in parallel?
The only thing I can imagine is that they would call that killer a copycat and that they have the right one.
The only thing I can imagine is that they would call that killer a copycat and that they have the right one.
That's probably it, good catch. God forbid the system makes a mistake. They'd rather crucify an innocent person than risk it.
He allegedly dropped YouTube video with DEC 11 data.
Not sure if it is true or not but everybody is hoping there is more to this story.
Either way, Luigi didn't do nothing but sure they can do their show trial and turn this man into a martyr
If the police did this, that’s not surprising, but they are really stupid.
This case is going to be under a microscope like an inverted OJ trial, and every bit of police misconduct is ammunition for his lawyers
Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality… it would be a national celebration, lol.
Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality… it would be a national celebration, lol.
The serial rapist Cosby was released due to a technicality, so....
Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality
Stop it, don't get my hopes up! 🤞
Yeah if he gets convicted, many court houses and police stations will get burned down
This could be a scapegoat
But this could also be the perpetrator claiming he's a scapegoat, which is probably the best way to get a Jury to acquit, just plant doubts.
I'm gonna say that this is probably the actual perpetrator and I guess he was planning on more targets, but got caught before he could do more "deposing".
Why not ditch the first weapon then? He could have just gotten another gun. Why would he have kept ALL the evidence on his person 5 days later?
the NYPD are lying about everything. Luigi seems like a cool dude but he's not the shooter.
Age 20-30, has a good bag to carry thier tech around day to day, dislikes american health insurance, and may be mentally unwell without proper diagnosis; Describes every college student I know.
If the more concrete evidence is you where within a few miles of the incident in NY, as well know NY is not a dense urban city....
It's all hard to say, rampant distrust of the police means, knowing they are desperate to pin it on anyone, we can't trust what they say.
This stinks to high heaven.
Criminal says they're not guilty. Never heard that before
Guilty until proven innocent, definitely heard that one before.
I don't believe for a second that an intelligent criminal would be carrying around all this evidence that links them to a crime days later. He would have dumped the ghost gun immediately. It's way too convenient that the guy has absolutely every bit of evidence on his person at the time of arrest and that it's so specific to the crime and nothing else.
I never said that
I was a tradie and more than one of my rich customers was arrested and found guilty
The first one who pulled a massive scam spent months joking with people he was innocent and was adamant it was bs.. He started asking us all the best way to encrypt his communications too at one point (which was suss)
The silver bullet was when investigators found the computers at the school he was apparently operating weren't even plugged in. Yes, they were that stupid
Another one was my ex's bf who did lots of dodgy shit. Guy oozeed evidence
Yet another stole the security cameras outside a building. They took their hoodie off for a second and looked up at the camera, and then put it back on.
My point was, criminals will always tell you they're innocent. And yes, a lot of them do make mistakes. Police didn't plant a bunch of unplugged computer for my customer and it's entirely possible this guy called lots of cash
Trump is the perfect example. Just because they say they're innocent doesn't mean it's true. They possibly are. But them claiming they've been framed in my experience is meaningless.
There are lots of criminals I've personally come across who frankly are stupid enough to carry evidence. Yeah I'll get downvoted and I get nobody here gives a shit about honest discussions anymore, but in my experience, it's common.
Ohh look a bootlicker.
and then $2,000 in foreign currency
Seems like the typical American Scapegoat™. I wonder what "foreign currency" they're referring to... Feels like an urge from US authorities to use this case as "muh [placeholder for the name of some imaginary international bogeyman which US authorities believe it's under their beds right now]".
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication
Something that's one of the most sold products from Amazon, Shopee, AliExpress, among other marketplaces. For example, it's sold even in some major grocery stores here in Brazil, so I imagine that a similar scenario happens in the US.
It's got protection especially for contactless cards (so these cards can't be used at a distance for paying things the cardholder isn't aware of), and it generally offers some water protection (it's not expected to be diving together at some beach with the cardholder, but it'd definitely offer some protection against spills and minimal soaked clothes due to rain, for example).
Luigi needs to shut up and let his lawyer do the talking for him.
that bag was waterproof
....bruh, the Judge Judy trap?! Falling for the oldest trick in the book.
About 10,000 -8,000 dollars??? If only that was something that could easily be counted. Why do we need to speculate everything. Ffs
That's not what it meant, albeit it was worded dumb. It meant $10K total, with 8000 being USD and 2000 being foreign currency.
I have no doubt, I trust him.
Sus as fuck
Sounds like you've played amongus, a well known assassin training simulator. /$
Agreed, been saying.
As much as I want to believe all the conspiracies... the arrest happened in Pennsylvania... and since it was at a food place after a tip, there was no time to bring in pre-screened cops. And the odds that the local law enforcement would not leak that they planted evidence and such in this high profile case are about nil. Those local cops don't like the snutty feds anyway, so they have plenty of motivation to leak any shenanigans.
The cope is pretty crazy. After we free Luigi, Trump's going straight to jail, too, yesiree.
Who phoned in the tip? Was it "anonymous"? How long did it take police to get there?
If it was a setup and they chose their guy in advance, then there was time to bring in pre-screened cops. In fact, there was time to interview a small time cop, brief him on the promise of a bright career ahead of him if he keeps this one little thing on the down low, and make sure he was the closet beat cop when their chosen mark went out.
They want to upgrade his charge from second-degree murder to first-degree murder, changing it to a murder-for-hire case.
Who are they saying hired him?
They haven't gotten that part of their lie figured out yet. Give them some time, they're only working on two collective brain cells, afterall.
They don't have to. The money they
foundplanted is enough to allow them to say whatever they want. Proving it would be harder.
I am not sure prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he’s the guy. Some of this evidence seems flimsy or circumstantial, but I don’t know the whole picture.
I am ripe for a headline like this, but the Examiner?
Ah yes, Sacco and Vanzetti for the modern age.
Well this is Luigi, and I hope the next guy to assassinate a CEO is named Mario.
I still don't understand how there can be any question, they caught him writing his memoir "How i totally killed that guy and why" by Luigi Mangione (an autographed copy). Open and shut case
Could he be the actually shooter? Maybe.
There is a lot of coincidences here that don't really add up. It's an uncanny and extremely lucky break for the police to go almost three days without any clue to the whereabouts or true identity of the shooter, to catching him away from his home eating lunch and just happening to carry all the things that link him to the crime in a public place.
This young man had the foresight to use fake IDs, unregistered firearm, preplan and escape route and dump several items he'd no longer need after the crime, only to have at least 48 hours after the crime to dump these items anywhere between NYC and Altoona but he chose to keep all the items that he would know police could track or link to the crime?
The CCTV grade pictures and video can be handwaved for not being a good match of the shooter by their poor quality, maybe there is an argument he wore a prosthetic. But having all the rest of the stuff on his person like he's expecting to get caught is uncanny.
Maybe there is some argument that he was being sentimental or thinking he was far enough away no one would link him. Maybe this is some attempt at a 4D chess move to make it look like he's being framed. Or just maybe all the items claimed to have been found on his person at a McDonalds was really found several days ago in the backpack with monopoly money in Central Park and Law Enforcement rushed the items to the place of his arrest to plant such evidence. Or is there some fourth options where he is the shooter, but he knows the evidence was left in NYC and is calling out it as being planted to force the law enforcement agency to tip their hand and reveal some warrentless and illegal surveillance?
Honestly, I have no idea, but what has been put forth by Law Enforcement right now doesn't really pass smell the test. The urgency at which they pushed him in front of a judge certainly doesn't help that. Usually cases such as this, the prosecution at least takes a few days to go over all the evidence they have and research the suspect in custody to better decide what charges are appropriate and strategy to present the case.
A lot of people on all platforms trying to explain why he kept his gun, why he was caught so easily, and most coming up with easy explanations that fit their conspiracy theories.
The simple explanation is, he might be smarter than most, but maybe not enough to outsmart the whole NYPD police department. Maybe he kept his gun because he didn't want to leave a trace. Maybe he wanted to get caught peacefully in a McD rather than dying in a shooting.
Also, to those who still don't believe he's the killer: he is. Police don't go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him "because they need a scapegoat". There's a whole judicial process that goes on after the arrest, and if he's found not to be the killer, the police will have to go back to square one on a cold trail. They usually don't want that.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
Hahaha oh man i needed a good laugh today. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence.
You have all too much faith in the US policing system and the sheer amount of money pressure bearing down on it at this very second to make an example out of this man.
"Stay the fuck away from the brown acid..!"
Also, to those who still don't believe he's the killer: he is. Police don't go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him "because they need a scapegoat".
How long have you lived in America? Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? I mean we literally just executed a black man in Sept that was very likely innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Even the prosecutor wanted to stop the execution.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
Google: Robert Lee Stinson
Some dude got convicted of nothing but a "teeth mark" psudoscience BS.
That was a low-profile case. This is a high-profile case, which has higher incentives to find a scapegoat.
Of course the police plant evidence on people. There's plenty of evidence of that occurring.
He DID outsmart the whole NYPD. The only reason he was caught was a couple of randos in a Pennsylvania McDonalds.
Remember this bit from the Mayor?
"When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” "
Yeah, turns out, they had no clue.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat"
Yikes, how cringe. And in the most public way possible. Hope you recover from this huge mistake someday soon.
They don't need to plant money. The physical evidence is more than enough.
