You think being inevitably forced to see every bit of harassment and spam is going to make that platform more popular and financially viable? Nah, if anything this is free advertising for Mastodon.
Yeah, but every time these stories blow up, Mastodon, Threads, and BlueSky gets another user base boost. I’m ok with that. These stories keep making the alternative communities more and more viable.
I agree, he seems unwell and the attention is continuing the negative spiral. Unfortunately, I don't think we can control what people are interested in. This is a total spectacle and media circus
He wants shitbag, astroturf, conservative, fascist “personalities” to be able to respond to and every prominent non-fascist post where they can be promoted to the top of the replies.
As a bonus, it will also help the astroturfing oil companies better kill environmental efforts.
Maybe he wants to get rid off the somewhat smart people on Twitter so the rest can be easily radicalized with the intend that they vote against their interest and for the interests of rich people?
I'd say it's either that or he wants greater reach to feed his narcism.
What I suspect will happen is that Musk cronies will be free to harass anyone they want, but anyone harassing Musk or one of this cronies will be banned.
If you mute someone, you don't see their posts. They don't get any notification that you have muted them. It's the same as blocking but they don't know they are blocked.
what's the difference between block and mute? Block just lets them not see your feed and notifies them of this, but mute just hides anything they post from you?
"it makes no sense" literally every social media site in existence has the block feature, and the reason is to help people prevent harassment. Elon is like a fucking toddler, it's obvious he just wants to get rid of blocking because he's pissy about being blocked by other people.
That'd be nice if it actually applied, but Apple has already made exceptions for X among other large companies to allow them to play by different rules in the store. So I'm not holding my breath for any sort of punishment.
Examples:
X got a one letter App Store name that was previously against the rules (other devs need their app name to be at least 2 characters) (more info)
YouTube had been blocking iOS PiP background playback (not sure if they still do) and put that feature behind the YouTube Premium subscription. Background playback and PiP is part of iOS's system capabilities and the rule specifically says it's not allowed. See Apple's guidelines section 3.2.2 (ii) here. With this, one could make the argument that PiP would only support system supported video decoding, and YouTube uses DASH for higher resolution videos, but YouTube does offer video and audio streams that are natively supported by Apple as well so I don't hold much support for this argument.
“Background playback” is behind the premium paywall; NOBODY gets YouTube PIP support on iOS; such a shame.
I repeat, even if you pay for premium you simply can’t do PIP using the official app. You can however use a browser and use PIP that way I think (there used to be some weird workaround but I’m not sure if it still exists).
Edit: I was (happily) wrong!
I see now, they added it halfway though 2022 and I needed to go into settings and explicitly enable it. I’m a happy camper now! Thanks for the correction
Honestly, this is a pretty clear case where federation should win out. I answered someone above, but governments using a private service like twitter for actual public announcements imo is broken. I hope that Mastodon and federated services take off and turn into a turnkey style service somewhere. Like, setting up your own Mastodon (or Lemmy!) instance I hope turns into something just about as easy as setting up an email account.
With Twitter's dwindling user base and each, people should just jump ship and migrate to mastodon. It's honestly what Twitter used to be and better than everything Twitter is now nor what musk has turned Twitter into.
It would be a godsend if there was a way to block certain results from search engines. I do not want to have want to have any more Twitter links or reddit links propagating my results. I don't even care if I miss out on some vital piece of information to my query. I just don't want those sites in my search results.
I wasn't a heavy poster on Twitter, but I was a heavy user. Unlike the Lemmy/Reddit model, it's much more real time. So when I wanted to see how things were going with a piece of news of any sort, basically, twitter was better at that.
Its also much more person centered - you curate specifically a list of who you want to follow rather than just topics, so there could often be crossover. Usually for me, this meant I'd listen to some podcast or something for a while, figure out I like the host and their personality or often just taste, and then follow them. The added benefit being that most people I'd follow on twitter weren't so big that if you tweet at them and you're not an asshole, you'll get a response.
He's a right wing grifter and always has been. And like many on the right, he views harassment as a form of "free speech" which should be acceptable.
He's not tanking the site on purpose. He's tanking it because his bullshit ideology naturally results in creating a hostile environment that people don't want to be a part of.
LW admins removed a community focused on piracy because they were afraid of getting sued. Even if they'd win ultimately, legal representation is expensive. If you want to see it here though, I'm sure you could work out a binding contract of some kind where you agree to take on all expenses and legal fees for any piracy related litigation.
The block feature is not there out of the goodness of their CEO's heart.
It is there to limit liability from harassment. After all, why police harassment laws at your expense. When you can get the end user to enforce it for you.
1.2 User-Generated Content
Apps with user-generated content present particular challenges, ranging from intellectual property infringement to anonymous bullying. To prevent abuse, apps with user-generated content or social networking services must include:
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The ability to block abusive users from the service
User Generated Content
User-generated content (UGC) is content that users contribute to an app, and which is visible to or accessible by at least a subset of the app's users.
Apps that contain or feature UGC, including apps which are specialized browsers or clients to direct users to a UGC platform, must implement robust, effective, and ongoing UGC moderation that:
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Provides an in-app system for blocking UGC and users;
Every day he further proves that he has no idea what he's doing. He's 100% going to reverse this decision when he find out all of the things he should have know before saying anything.
I half wonder if he is running an experiment to see how much his users are willing to put up with so that all the other tech companies can figure out how far they can push us.
It's been non-stop advanced bullshit after bullshit coming out of basically all corpos for the past year, but things were always headed in this direction. Muskrat just helped speed things along. The silver lining in all of this is the Fediverse and other platforms are finally popping off. Hopefully that trend gains more momentum and big tech dies before we end up further into a future we don't want to be in.
This but his goal is to find the line and step over it, not toe it. He didn't like Twitter being a liberal leaning platform that pushed extreme conservatives out so he's reversing that. The only nuance he's using is to do it slowly enough that there's still libs to pwn on his platform over the rather than having them all leave at once. Plus if he can chase them away rather than ban them, he can claim to be more about free speech. But this is all about suppressing opinions he doesn't like, with an added bonus that he can ban people for not loving him.
That’s what I was thinking. Either a specific person blocked him that he got upset about or the amount of people that have him blocked upset him. Either way it’s personal and he’s throwing a tantrum like a toddler. Again.
What's there to maintain, the feature is already there and should be relatively simple. I can't imagine that Twitter backend is so bad that it requires active work on all components.
Lmao this is going to be incredible to watch unfold. I am assuming Elon himself has blocked an absolute fuckton of accounts that are just out to troll him, so either he’s gonna (rightly) get absolutely inundated by trolls, or he’s gonna make the devs disable it for everyone except him and whoever else he wants to give that feature to.
I’m betting I can reverse engineer how to create spam accounts in a mostly automated fashion faster than he can ban accounts. And I bet a lot of other people can do the same.
I feel very confident saying that he’s not gonna win this one.
“Mr. Billionaire Tech Company CEO, what was your detailed reasoning for the removal of a highly important feature that benefits way more users than the ones it harms?”
Well, to be honest I would laugh if an online troll or multiple said that to me, but I agree it could become tiring if it was constant and non stop, which seems to be the case if this blocking shit show applies.
I don’t understand this. On a personal level I want to have access to a custom feed of things that interest me. Like a newspaper. Why is the expectation that this newspaper should include absolutely all content. I am not trying to destroy democracy, I just don’t want to see/interact/be reminded of certain content.
The accounts I block on any platform are mostly spammers working within the limitations of the platform by masquerading as normal accounts. Like a couple posts of very generic things, an attractive woman's profile pic, all their follows are completely random across the world, you know it when you see it. Those friends you have who follow them back... then they try to follow all their follows, they work like a virus. "Mutual followers" is gold to them.
This is most likely to happen. I also think there's a strong possibility they are doing this to combat all the addons which block premium users. Those are staggeringly effective at messing up suggestion algorithm.
The problem is the CPU effort it takes to produce 100 Xits for your timeline, then search that list for everyone on your blocklist, remove those Xits, then possibly go back to the suggestion API to get more since there are only 40 Xits left, etc. etc. is cost prohibitive... Especially when you have millions of users with thousands of accounts on their blocklists.
Agree, I think that's probably the driving force behind this. He can't troll most people anymore because any even remotely sane person (who's still on Twitter for some reason) has blocked him. Musk lives to troll, so it must drive him absolutely crazy.
It becomes less stupid the moment you realize Elon is angry some people are allowed not to have his bullshit forced down their throats. Then everything starts to make sense.
I don't really think that makes it less stupid, you could do that in a much more subtle manner without driving away users. This is just pointless pettiness from a power dork who has been blocked a great many times in his life.
This is going to get buried, but I think it's important to note that block on twitter (unlike on most platforms) works both ways. You can still mute an account, and you won't see any of their content or mentions.
By removing block, it means you can no longer block a person from following you, but you can still prevent seeing their stuff. After all - all that person has to do see your public tweets is open an incognito browser window, and view your profile. If you have a private profile, none of this applies to begin with. So in that sense, I agree with Elon - block in its current form on twitter makes no sense.
Edit: Responding directly onto your posts - good point, I hadn't considered that. It's partially circumvented by changing the setting so can comment on your posts, but I agree that's more effort. For all the other things though - if you block someone now they can just take a screenshot of your tweet and comment on that.
After all - all that person has to do see your public tweets is open an incognito browser window, and view your profile.
Pretty sure you have to sign in, or will very soon.
And people can likely still retweet, you just won't see it.
So Ben Shapiro can still retweet everything AOC says to "slam" her, and only the people who haven't muted him (his fans) can circlejerk and post harassing replies. She just wouldn't see it.
Block also blocks them from seeing your posts and responding to them. Which is valuable. I don’t want people to creep on my profile if I’ve blocked them.
I use mute to get people who tweet in the wrong language off my timeline.
I deleted my twitter so I guess it’s not my problem now
Fair enough. I never used the algorithm timeline that inserts strangers into your stream so that was never an issue for me. Just the people I follow, chronologically, for me. Whether I block them or not, people who really want to would still be able to read my tweets. Blocking them just gives them more acknowledgement than they deserve.
I haven't deleted mine yet, but I only seldom check it. Left this video as a pinned post though, it might inspire some people to quit as well.
Lmao this is overlooking the most important part of the block feature. Without the Block feature spammers, scammers, and crazies can destroy anyones posts by filling it with dick pics, scams, gore, anything. Blocks prevent people from posting on your posts.
Without the Block feature spammers, scammers, and crazies can destroy anyones posts by filling it with dick pics, scams, gore, anything.
Pretty sure they'd only destroy their own account with that - they'd be 1 report away from being banned. If none of your followers were to report it, it's probably time to cancel your account.
As long as mute still gets their posts out of my feed it's all fine by me I guess. I can't figure out what's the downside here. I couldn't care less if the people I've muted can see my profile or not. Preventing individual users from accessing your profile is kind of petty to be honest.
Musk is intentionally killing twitter confirmed. First he tried to tank its value and retract his buy offer but was forced in to the purchase by the SEC. So now he's just playing the long game by killing it step by step with his own hands.
He hated twitter for how effective it was in spreading awareness on progressive issues. Him and all the other billionaires want that platform split up, and it only costs him $44b, a fraction of his net worth.
I think this is what's gonna finally end it for Twitter. There has already been a huge increase in harassment/hate, and if people can't block other users spewing that shit, they will actually leave this time
Holy shit. The block feature was the only function that actually worked when dealing with trolls and assholes.
Remove that feature, and the remaining Queer and POC communities are going to be forced off the platform due to the abuse they will not be able to block.
I suspect this is mainly because people with the Blue checks keep crying about getting blocked.
Working as intended. Musk isn't half as smart as he thinks he is, but he's still not stupid enough to think it will play out any way.
He wants to ensure far-right voices are heard and that any opposition to them is bullied off the platform.
There is no need to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he doesn't admit it out loud. Actions speak louder than words and every action he has taken has pandered to the far-right.
I need to block like 5 bot follows and three fake crypto impersonation accounts including me in a retweet daily. This would break the experience completely for me.
I wonder when he says “it makes no sense” if he is just confused by the complexity of it. Because blocking is more complicated than it might seem at first. It introduces issues where different people see different versions of things, and in some ways blocking can be a little like choosing to put your head in the sand regarding someone, but they can still be around, flinging shit at you.
Being blocked by a lot of people did drop his priority in the Twitter algorithm, enough that he had what remained of Twitter's engineers try to fix it by bumping him up to the top.
Block makes sense. He knows it makes no sense to remove it. Block has existed on the internet long enough to assume this is completely malicious intent.
Like I flatout refuse to assume he removed a feature used literally everywhere else without ulterior motive. This is just to allow for bad actors to continue to voice themselves without any prevention tools.
I actually never understood why the block function existed, it clearly told the account you blocked that you have blocked them, prompting them to create an alt.
Mute is like shadowban, you won't ever see them and they believe that you can see them.
Blocking stops the assholes from interacting with your own tweets entirely. Sure, they can make an alt to get around that, but that's more work for them. Blocking is simple and quick.
Mute was never good enough because it still allowed assholes to interact with your tweets.
Source: Queer lady that had to block people in order to Twitter to not be trash before Elon bought it.
How so? Even if I think people are posting the stupidest, most self-incriminating bullshit ever, I don't have any special right to see their content or forward to my audience if they don't want me to.
It still makes no sense that I can just log out take a screenshot log back in and share it. That's the part that's just a bit weird. It makes sense on s platform where not everything is publicly accessible
You could argue against creating the feature, but once it already exists and it's not taking up any real processing power or cluttering the interface, why would you ever remove any feature. Does he understand it? No. Do some people use it and find it beneficial? Probably, yeah. Are you forced to use it? No. So what's the problem?
It's like a car manufacturer ordering a recall to remove the the mirror on the passenger side visor because he never uses it. Some people do, my dude, it's not hurting anything, and it will actually cost you money to remove it instead of leaving it. Just leave it alone, dude.
Or... he's not being honest and he wants to remove it because it hurts his ego to know that so many block his account. Yeah, it's probably that.
If you want to follow artists and avoid all the right wing Nazis, 500 blocks is about the right number to keep your feed clear.
I personally block about 10,000 and comment vociferously on right wing threads, just so WatermElon Musk has to spend $$$ to present threads without my comments in the right-wing echo chamber. Block lists are fairly database-search intensive.
This is what it sounds like when a severely divorced person screams, "WHY WON'T THIS FUCKING COMPANY FAIL!!! I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO ELIMINATE THIS THREAT AND IT WON'T DIE!"
Don't most app stores have terms and conditions that require social media websites to have actual functional block features? Having them only work for DMs doesn't feel very functional...
Imagine if Elon was playing a long con game and is actually trying to kill Twitter on purpose by disguising himself as the rest of the Republicans in support of them.
Like this "10 dimensional chess" game is him actually just doing the most mundane and simple changes to kill the platform intentionally.
Indeed. And consider - if you're a right wing loon, what does killing twitter really do? Especially what does twitter do that it's worth blowing 44 billies to kill it?
Considering that Saudi Arabia still holds enormous amounts of money in Twitter, and twitter was how the Arab Spring and other movements spread, it certainly looks like it's a deliberate crashing of the platform.
This isn't likely, though. First there's the question of why kill Twitter? Then there's the $44 billion cost, and all the reputational damage. Nah, he's just arrogant and incompetent.
All i know is mastodon better be ready for a fresh batch of twitter refugees washing up on the shores of the fediverse as well as bluesky all so f meta nobody go there
ITT: "Blocking isn't a necessary feature, specifically because I do not get harassed."
Also: "Because you COULD just make an alt, take the time to make a fake email, and even potentially be required to have a fake ID in the future, muting and blocking are LITERALLY the same thing"
Any disincentive is one more step some spineless bastard has to go through to harass you, even if there are work arounds.
I'll bet a buffalo nickel that this is so Musk can guarantee eyeballs on ads.
Arg: expected eyeballs on ads not 100% because blocking. This shiny new 'X' will guarantee 100%.
Tinfoil: If he can disrupt B2B on ads and seize more marketing market share, he looks like a genius and gets to add a payment feature to X. I don't think he's very creative and will just remake PayPal with a fuckton of extra steps.
I'm kind of tired of hearing about what this dummy is up to. He's very rich. But clearly very dumb. He took emerald mine money and lucked his way into some good investments.
Bought his way into Tesla and pretends to be very smart.
Thats not to say every idea he has had is bad. But he is clearly not a smart man overall.
He's the riches man on the planet only because he lucked out with the emerald mine and a couple investments?
I get you people don't like the guy but these comments can get a bit ridiculous. He has some quite obvious flaws but if he's not one of the most significant people of our time then I don't know who is.
It's also called a spam filter, once upon a time. Twitter, even before musk, was spam heaven. It's a shit site that is completely out of control. I wouldn't run an email program/ site if it didn't have a spam/ block feature. Same should be for the internet's garbage dump, Twitter.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he took over, but it's clear that he's completely mental.
The original owners of Twitter were forever fixing what wasn't broken, but this guy is acting like he's got a new Stretch Armstrong toy and wants to see how far he can stretch it before it breaks.
If this happens, I'll be deleting my account. I don't care, that the few VTubers I was still engaging with are still there, and haven't jumped over Mastodon, Misskey, etc.
I think if Hex isn't willing to deal with their "minority" of trolls/hateful users, then I think banning their server is justified. I don't want to punish the majority(?) but I don't know why we should have to deal with their toxic users when our servers wouldn't allow those kinds of users.
I feel like the advertiser would rather I engage with their betting site instead of me blocking them. I get such trashy looking betting adverts now, none of the major betting shops as they are blocked.
I dont understand why regulars are so mad. He literally owns twitter. He can do whatever he wants to do with it. Regulars dont have to engage , if you dont like it , leave. Its that simple.
I dont use twitter myself but regulars going crazy about all these stunts doesnt make any sense.
I own a white Toyota and I paint it red. Nobody can do anything about it because I own the Toyota. Same is the case with twitter .
While removing it is stupid, I also think it's a limited feature. I am blocked by Jason Schreier like many people in gaming culture are. (I didn't even comment on his post, but he did a mass block based on who responded to another person's post because that's the type of person he is) He's a relatively famous gaming journalist so when someone links his messages I can't see them, right?
Well I can, I just open an incognito window, and I still get to see what ever he's posting, because when you aren't logged in you get to see everything.
So in that way Block doesn't really make a lot of sense. Limiting who can interact with you might needed, but limiting who can see what you post doesn't really.
There is still "Mute" which I use much more often to get rid of "Console war" crap, from my feed, but honestly I also just don't use "X" Because in general I haven't found it that useful, and feels like it's always been a massive time waster. If Elon is making other people realize that now, I'd say he's doing a great job in waking up people to the fact that it's always been a pretty shitty social media.
Don't know the rules (They probably keep changing) but you can see it here in incognito mode.
Even if that was the case, I'd make an alt account no one knows about to be able to look at his tweets if I cared enough. The point I was making it is it's dumb to "Block what people can see" when they can get around it with a couple button clicks.
(And to be clear because I'm getting downvoting, I'm not saying blocking is bad, but the implementation is pretty dumb, and at least removing the "You can't see this message because he blocked you" should be removed.)