Debate wrap up: No one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump
Debate wrap up: No one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump
I feel obligated to note at the top that you can win...
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She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.
Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.
Kamala Harris dominated the debate despite the fact that she was given about 5 minutes less time to speak!
It's disappointing to see how the media invariably accommodates Trump. Contrary to the rules of the debate, when Trump continued talking after his time was up or demanded to respond to a point Harris made, they often let him by not muting his microphone. This added up to right around 5 minutes of extra speaking time on prime time television for him to spew his lies. The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators. If there is any silver lining here it's that Trump probably made his debate performance worse by talking more!
I was glad to see some push back and fact checking by the moderators in regards to Trump's most egregious lies. Today MAGA is complaining that the debate was rigged and the moderators were against Trump due to the fact checks while they should be thanking ABC for the special treatment that allowed Trump extra air time.
Go Harris/Walz!
The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators.
And she didn't even put up with that. She just waited until her next turn, went back, said her part, and then answered the new question. Trump was basically incoherent by comparison
And she only did it to counter a bold face lie he said about herself.
Not 10 minutes before she stated that she did not ban fracking, will not ban fracking and made the tie breaking vote in favor of fracking.
But he still says "shes going to ban fracking if elected" like dude WTH. Are you paying attention?
It was very disappointing, even though it was pretty much as expected. They even let Trump talk over and interrupt the moderators!
On the other hand, she actually originally requested his mic not be muted, probably because she knew he'd hang himself.
As one who is 100% on the democratic side, I think Harris obviously won the debate.
But I'm very curious about what Republicans think? Do they think Trump made a good response saying he didn't need a plan because he isn't president?
I was a bit disappointed Harris didn't attack him on the fact that it's been more than 8 years now since Trump said he would come up with a better healthcare plan. Stressing the 8 years, and the result being still nothing. So a concept of a plan for Trump seems to mean he has NOTHING!But still, do Republicans view this as Trump did OK?
From what I've been seeing around the internet, Republicans are convinced that the debate was rigged. Harris was given the questions in advance, the moderators were biased, etc. etc.
So they are making excuses for Trump, which can only mean they could see that he lost.
I also heard that Trump was alone against 3. I guess because they called out a couple of his lies, especially the insane bit about emigrants eating peoples pets in Ohio.
So apparently some Republicans are not happy with how he did in the debate.
Harris was given the questions in advance
It would need a particular stupid person not to know what kind of topics/questions will come up in such a debate.
So I flipped over to Fox News right after to see how they would spin the debate. Everyone spins this stuff, it's normal, but after that debate, I wanted to see how bad it would be. Well, Hannity was on, and you can imagine how it went. They said Harris was weak, didn't have answers or dodged the questions, had weird faces, and then they just regurgitated his flat-out lies.
I couldn't even watch 10 minutes because it was so painfully obvious they were just lying through their teeth, and it was so desperate sounding that to a non-R voter, it came across as them not even watching the debate.
There is spin, then there is flat out lieing.
National Review is about the only place I bother to go for an R take on news, and their front page is not very positive about him this morning.
List of Headlines:
Republicans Blame Debate Moderators as Democrats Take a Victory Lap
Debate 2024: Trump Takes the Bait, but Does It Matter?
Trump’s Trainwreck
Harris Was Completely Wrong to Say That There Are No Americans in Combat Zones Today
An Anticlimactic Debate, an Incomplete Grade
‘Childless Cat Lady’ Taylor Swift Endorses Harris Moments after Debate Wraps
Harris Emerges Largely Unscathed from First-Ever Meeting with an Unfocused Trump
Tim Burton’s Stale Hollywood Gothic: Bobbert says new Beetlejuice not nearly as erotic as the musical
That 8 years thing for healthcare could easily backfire. The majority of Americans are very fed up with our healthcare, and Democrats haven't done much to fix it this administration either (not entirely their fault, we have a gridlocked Congress and Senate, after all). The concept of a plan quote is hilarious, though! My friends and I plan on using it at work from now on.
Anyway, even most Republican media outlets have conceded that Harris won last night. As for the MAGA cult itself, I honestly haven't bothered to go down that internet hole yet, nor am I likely to. I'm sure there's countless bots/trolls spinning the story and creating a fake reality already, with plenty of zealots lapping it up because their collective delusion requires it.
That 8 years thing for healthcare could easily backfire. The majority of Americans are very fed up with our healthcare,
Yes but Democrats and particularly Harris want to improve it further, it's the Republicans that have refused to play ball for 16 years now.
Harris did mention results on medicin prices, and ongoing work to improve that further. So isn't it still a very obvious advantage for Democrats and their political goals that people are fed up with the lack of progress?My friends and I plan on using it at work from now on.
🤣
“Your system is so bad, terrible! Anyone can do better!”
“And yet you couldn’t in your term and still don’t have an idea how to do it even now? So you admit you can’t fix what you believe to be an easy problem to solve? That’s a weird stance to take during a debate you’re trying to win but ok.”
I don't think the MAGA movement is able to have realistic responses at this point.
This thing normal people can still do -- "that was good, but we could do better", or even "wow, expected much more than that" -- would be impossible for MAGA. Any performance must be the best they have ever seen. Trump can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters. Any room for improvement is seen as weakness.
The fact is, Trump could have gone out there and laid right down for a nap. MAGA would still say it was the best debate performance they ever saw in the history of the country.
I don’t think the MAGA movement is able to have realistic responses at this point.
They haven't been fed the line to say by their favorite entertainment network.
I know a conservative mother who started the debate with Israel, abortion, and godly values being her main concerns. Godly values was the most important to her.
Before we even got to "concepts of a plan" she actually said she isn't sure who is the best choice for the country. We stopped giving the tv our full attention when she said it was depressing her - we ended up playing cards games the rest of the debate so I didn't react as much. But thankfully I got to chuckle live at the concepts of a plan.
I've been trying to avoid saying "weird" when talking about republicans. I don't want right leaning folk to think I'm trying to buzzword them. But it's really hard and sometimes I do say weird (was describing JD Vance's eyeliner) but that kinda makes it worse because I'll catch myself saying it and backpedal immediately and change the word (the eyeliner became 'unflattering' instead of 'weird') and they notice. And it feels like I have to protect them. Like... I'm not calling them snowflakes to their faces... But I'm loudly walking the proverbial egg shells.
This is why I had to say that "Concepts of a plan" was cute instead of weird. I ended up comparing it to my mother asking if I had cleaned my room, with me responding "I've thought about cleaning my room."
All that to say... It's hard for anyone with a good heart to enjoy Trump speaking. We made comments that Harris was obviously baiting him - but does that matter when he takes the bait? The immigration stories. The hate-filled eyes.
Trump is either a mean old man who is innocent. Or he's a terrible liar - and truly a bad person.
It was a good night. I don't know who she will vote for. But in 2020 I DID. When Harris addressed how you don't need to abandon your faith to know the trump ban laws are wrong, it felt like Kamala was speaking directly to people like her
Repubs are delusional cultists, so they think he did well.
I'm disappointed a little in Harris. She's letting him get away with the narrative that she hasn't done anything in the last 4 years.
I really wanted her to turn to him on immigration and say his fucking wall was in that boarder bill and he scuttled it for political points, drop the mic and walk out.
She won overall, but she could of hit a couple of those rebuttals out of the park for a walk off homerun...they were singles instead.
I'm disappointed a little in Harris. She's letting him get away with the narrative that she hasn't done anything in the last 4 years.
She was only the VP, though. Her job is to do the things the President lets her do, and break up fights in the Senate. VPs simply don't do that much. She could (and did) bring out the accomplishments of the Biden administration, but that just called attention to the fact that Biden had to drop out, so she could only do it sparingly.
Yes there were a couple of situations where she could have made him look like a huge idiot (more than normal), but she kind of dropped the ball IMO.
It's probably easier to see from the outside, she'd have to be razor sharp to catch these opportunities real time.
Still she did well, and did catch him a few times, and made no serious mistakes.But border security, healthcare and the idiot thing about emigrants eating pets, were all obvious chances.
We just have to hope enough voters know enough about the issues to see through Trumps lies and lack of policy.
She didn't have to. The moderators did it for her on a fact check.
No. They Republicans are thoroughly embarrassed and most of them are going to actually vote for Harris now. They are sick and tired of argregious lies and fabricated inconsistent stories and this really pushed them over the edge. They feel that racist fears of others as the sole platform for a presidency is tired and ridiculous.
If you are naive enough to wonder what their response is this far into the collapse of the GOP, you might as well go on believing this story; take advantage of whatever memory block you suffer from and at least replace your fantasy with something positive.
As soon as she said small crowd size and low energy people leaving early he lost it lol
It was such obvious bait, I was a bit shocked that he took it!
I wasn’t shocked at all (except the general shock that a person like this has ever come close to the presidency). Particularly in recent years, I’ve seen him take bait so many times which wasn’t even intended as bait, but it triggered him. And because it slightly grazed his fragile ego, priority number one for him is to go on an ego-defending tangent that only confuses and undermines any points he could have made about the actual topic.
Harris knew that as long as she peppered her responses with a trigger here and a trigger there, he would be unable to help himself every time. And that’s what we saw.
Really? You were shocked? Lol
I'm still stuck on this thing about how undocumented immigrants are coming to America to eat dogs and cats, but in the process are being forcibly sent to American Prisons which are actually a front for experimental sex changing drugs creating a squad of latinas-who-used-to-be-latinos with the goal of sending them to dominate women's sports, and the existence of transpeople like myself are an elaborate hoax to manufacture consent for this program.
Do I understand that correctly, that is actually what Donald Trump unironically believes?
"THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!" is quickly becoming a thing in my house. That's how my daughter greeted me after school today
Haha.
A sticker of this should go on every gas pump in America.
Trump's head with a little dialogue bubble...
Don't forget that the immigrants are coming from insane asylums, and are not legal immigrants seeking asylum.
If the last person who talked to him was Stephen Miller, it probably is. To paraphrase George Burns, putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.
putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.
I'm so going to steal this expression!
He doesn't believe anything he says. He doesn't even hear himself. He's like a poorly trained LLM at this point. It's become so over tuned it's only spews nonsense with conviction
He doesn’t believe anything he says.
Trump has often bragged about how good he is at deceiving people. Anyone who thinks Traitorapist Trump believes his own shit has been Trumped.
Man, I'd hate to sneak into the US just to chill and chow down on some cats, just to end up winning gold medals in woman's sports
Would be super annoyed
Every accusation a confession.
Can I come to your prison? I would like to be a latina please 🥺💃🏽
All Trump proved is that he is the social media-addicted racist uncle everyone has in their family. That is what he demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt.
"I saw it on television"
He can't hold a thought that coplicated in his head.
The mood in r/conservative seems to be fairly in agreement with this headline. Kind of delicious to creep on lol
You are far braver than I.
I wonder what [email protected] thinks. They're an entertaining bunch.
Sorry, I already showered today.
Apparently they don't want to talk about it. The only post since the debate is an unrelated article fearmongering about Haitian immigrants.
The mod there is always doing that game where he winks about how the Democrats were the slave owners during the civil war, as if the numerous political realignments since then never happened.
I got banned yesterday for posting a speech by Lincoln where he was mocking slavers because they called themselves "conservatives" despite the fact that they wanted to break long-standing prohibitions and push slavery onto the rest of the country.
He apparently didn't appreciate my demonstration that it's always been ideological conservatives who are consistently weirdo fascist losers.
Pretty quiet so far. Took a peek and the only posts in the last day are about Ohio and the influx of Haitian immigrants and one person asking what everyone thought of the debate.
So far, that post has two comments, the most upvoted one said Harris won and is the better candidate; the other with the most downvotes said that neither did a good job, that there was no winner, and that the American people lost in the debate.
The hero we needed
Just like Donald Trump is the "hero" our conservative friends deserve.
Dominated.
So cursed. Banish the demons!
Wow this is cursed. Accurate, but so cursed
Sigh... *zips*
Why would you do this?
Not my proudest fap, I'll admit.
Doesn't trump have bigger boobs?
The biggest!
Until this moment I did not sexualize Kamala Harris. Now I'm a little afraid of what fantasies you have awakened in me.
Gid bless you sir 🫡
Holy shit.
Work has been interesting so far. Not many of the huge Trumpers are discussing it and they discuss every time he cuddles out a fart. Most are saying they didn't have the stomach to watch KuMALuh lie all night or the entire thing is rigged. There's been one comment that her earrings were secretly devices to feed her the answers.
The trucker I swamp for has swapped rhetoric from "Kamala laughs like a hyena/ Trump is fine" to declarations about how he doesn't care about politics and how maybe we should all just stop talking about it.
Very funny how fast that disengage happened.
I doubt most of them watch it even when he was doing well. They just say they do and parrot whatever Fox tells them.
KuMALuh
To be fair, it's hard not to say it that way if you're a long time pro wrestling fan, lol
Absolute dumbasses. They are a liability to you and your employer.
Any time you hear someone openly supporting Trump at work, make an anonymous report to HR. Make it everyone's problem.
I'm not American, but that was fun to watch. I had my popcorn and everything. It felt like I'm watching Cartman debate Wendy or something.
It was easy for you to enjoy because you were not worried every second that if it went poorly, you were about to live in an authoritarian state.
EDIT : poor phrasing that changed the meaning.
Lmao. Idk if id compare Kamala to Wendy but well done sir.
He says he won and his supporters believe it. That's all they need. Doesn't matter if he was dominated or not.
Trump and his followers are truth proclaimers, not truth seekers. They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that's what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.
So in general, yeah it's a waste of time paying attention to what their reaction is. They're a predictable bunch.
They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that’s what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.
It's the same old shit the Nazis did.
I don't think you can use a racist cult as a measuring stick. Of course it doesn't matter to them, that doesn't mean it doesn't matter at all.
He didn't say it didn't matter, he said it's a waste of time worrying about their reactions. Which in a sense, is true, considering how predictable those reasons always are.
But it also reassures anyone hesitant about her ability to hold her own as a leader. Her real job was not coming off as a political hack from a desperate party. And instead she played him like a concert fucking pianist.
Just like for almost 4 years the American ppl have been played like "a concert fucking pianist"?
See ya at the pump. Or the grocery store. Or living behind a 7 Eleven because housing prices are out of control.
Look at the deeds, not the words. She is part of the current administration and cannot run from her track record.
This isn't accurate. They may not change their vote, but this hurt them. This further proved that Trump is demented, bumbling, and easy to manipulate.
In a triage situation, you focus on those who are most likely to survive given the resources available. You can’t fix extremists so focus on the ones you can save instead.
Keep in mind, Blue MAGA here tried to claim Biden won his debate.
It's obligatory for those on a team to claim they win. If you were voting for Harris before the debate, you are still voting for Harris after the debate. If you were voting for Trump, there is almost no chance that changed based on this debate.
If you are on the right and not voting for Trump this election, you probably aren't voting. Cheney isn't bringing votes to the Democrats.
The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide. You won't get them abusing them with the idea that they need to sacrifice their morals for a candidate. Only the candidate can get those voters, and they can only do so with a policy shift. It's probably about 2.5 to 5 percent of registered Democrats s in this bucket. More than enough to make or break the Harris candidacy.
https://www.mapresearch.org/democracy-maps/voter_registration_deadlines
The only other option for more votes is to create more registered voters (link above). So we're very rapidly coming up to the point where neither the Harris or Trump campaign can j crease their vote share in the critical states that are going to decide this election.
Using the relatively well established rule of about 2 weeks for information to filter through the news and to emerge in polling, and the consideration that the voter registration deadline is coming up, that we should expect a policy shift from Harris around October 12th -16th. This is simply because there really aren't any more votes for the campaign to get once the registration deadlines begin to pass.
The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide.
I can't tell if you're being genuine and clueless or malicious.
Let's assume you're the former first. WaPo did a pretty cool piece with undecided swing voters during the debate. It resulted in a small but significant shift left. You can check it out here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/presidential-debate-voter-poll/
Unfortunately, I'm going to assume the latter. To quote Kamala, "This is the same tired old playbook" the Russian troll farms trotted out when Biden was in the race. I'm not sure if you're one of those that fell for it or if you're a troll yourself, but it's not working anymore. If Trump were in office, he'd gleefully tell Netanyahu to bomb Palestine out of existence. If this is going to be a talking point, at least discuss it in good faith.
We don't really know whether nobody has dominated Donald Trump like that, because we don't know what Putin says when they talk.
It's it still domination if the other person is into it?
Oh yes, oh yes it is.
If you ever read what Putin says about Trump, it is clear that, although he sees Treason Trump as a useful stooge, Putin doesn't have any actual respect for Trump.
Oh man, what I'd give to be a fly on that wall.
I don't get the hyperbolic responses to fucking everything by Trump. It's always got to be biggest, best, worst, loudest. He fucking has no middle ground in any of the bullshit he spews.
I was so entertained when he brought up the immigrants eating pets and how he got called out for it by the moderator. There were a few times they straight up called him out.
Because his base apparently absolutely eats it up. They don't like nuance. They like crisis and outrage and hate and things they don't have to think too much about or have gray areas. They are purely good, the enemy is pure evil, etc.
The country is collapsing, she is the worst ever, etc. It's easy.
Not all of his followers are like that, but holy shit is it way more than I ever would have guessed. And it works so goddamn well.
I don’t get the hyperbolic responses to fucking everything by Trump. It’s always got to be biggest, best, worst, loudest. He fucking has no middle ground in any of the bullshit he spews.
It's simple word association. And subliminally, it works a lot better than you think it does. When you think of Trump, you think of words like "Biggest, best, loudest", etc. You think of it because you know that Trump will use those words to lie about himself. But all Trump cares about is that you associate him with the words "biggest", "best", and "loudest". He doesn't care why.
It's how he communicates. Short, easy to remember words and phrases that your brain will easily link with each other after enough repetition. Why your brain makes the connection is irrelevant. He only cares about the connection.
And if Trump is good at anything, he has absolutely mastered this skill.
At some point, I started noticing the same thing in a lot of Fox programming. If you watch Hells kitchen or tons of other fox shows. It's the toughest challenge, for the first time, most dangerous.
It's gotten to the point that I can't ignore it, it's like the Wilhelm scream.
Strange, the words i think of are more like: "narcissistic" "obnoxious" & "asshole" with a side of "moron" thrown in
"Send the message to the dumbest of your audience"
Except for the women that peed on him.
Actually, E. Jean Carroll did.
You don’t know that for sure, I bet he’s paid good money to be dominated even harder
I doubt it. He doesn’t pay the contractors he hires
He's promised to pay good money to get pissed on!
Being dominated in a consensual way, takes a sort of self awareness and acceptance of your own weaknesses.
Trump lacks any self awareness, and has likely never been part of consensual domination.
You make good points!
Did you know Venezuelan gangs are kidnapping and eating your dogs and cats?
Yeah the TV said so
I love that he said this, the guy who thinks the media are all liars. What a buffoon.
Somehow that's more unhinged than "they're get sex changes while in prison"
At least he now knows which one he wants to go to and has said it out loud.
Not really sure how unhinged this claim is. There are, of course, TS in prisons (and jails) in the U.S. They received special medical treatment and hormones paid for with public funds. They are permitted special privileges that other inmates are not permitted. I know, having seen and experienced it.
Is that why Trump suggests the NY Economic Club should hold their next meeting in Venezuela?
"Next year, I’m going to suggest that the Economic Club hold its meeting in Caracas because we’ll be safer than we are in our country if they win. We’ll be far safer."
https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-trump-speaks-at-the-economic-club-of-new-york
His face when she told him people left his rallies early was fucking priceless.
I couldn't get myself to watch it, so it actually went well for Harris?
She seemed nervous with the first one or two questions, but the longer it went on the stronger she looked. Classy and professional was one way I heard her described. He was his usual self. Some memorable lines:
Don: "they're eating pets" ... "I have the concept of a plan.." Kam: "..he (Putin) would eat you for lunch.."
The way she laughed at the remark about eating cats and dogs, was exactly my reaction. Glorious!
"SHE WANTS TO GIVE TRANSEXUAL OPERATIONS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! IN PRISON!!!!"
He all but broke down crying at points. I gotta get a soundboard clip of "it's DYING David!" after like the fourth time he diverted and lied about immigration.
In the way Biden shit the bed she didn’t, which is to say Trump was and remains his own liability.
She just needed to respond to his bullshit like a sane human, and she did. She was nervous and you could see her reverting to “this is what I practiced” words a few times but frankly she only needed to not shit her adult diaper to win.
She did sieze a few moments to really push the dagger in, she did what Biden ought to have been able to do. Did she distinguish herself? Nope. Not to me EXCEPT relative to how the political discourse has been the last few years.
She’s still the same candidate I chose Bernie over.
BUT juxtaposed to Biden and Trump she’s a fresh of breath air.
She slammed it. Go find it on YouTube, it’s worth watching.
Yes. She handled him calmly, rationally, got in a few good shots, and kept him on defense. I don't think there was one stumble, or moment she appeared weak against his bullying. She was actually the one playing him for once, and he shit the bed.
That was like watching a boxing match were the loser gets mad and picks a fight with the reff and gers his ass kicked by them too.
This headline, it makes Vladimir feel very jealous, da?
And yet, none of it will matter because anyone who had even been considering voting for the racist cheeto is infinitely entrenched and bound by their own logic.
Indeed, and note that Harris didn't even attempt to go after his voters. The target is the middle and the squishy left, a reminder of what the stakes are in this election. She made it clear he was a petulant child, only caring about himself and the things important to him, and invited voters who want someone who doesn't just care about themselves to come out and vote for her.
Hopefully it's effective, because Trump has Project 2025 ready to go, despite his lies saying he knows nothing about it.
Way to go Kamala!
That whole debate felt like an SNL skit. Had to put down my knitting to pick up my jaw off the floor. Absolutely insane. Harris did great.
But Kamala will eat everyone's dog!! /s
Before or after she forces immigrant prisoners to undergo transition?
Thank God you put/s I was this close to submitting my report!
We had a few slack jaw and gasp moments.
...without him having hired them to piss on him. And him not paying for being pissed on after the fact.
Little piss baby doesn't pay his bills.
Trump got trumped.
So...no...I disagree strongly with this analysis.
Yes...for reasonable people...Kamala slaughtered Trump.
But that's not what his base cares about. They're the dregs of society that get off on WWF and whatever MTV is these days. He yelled more, he made sensational completely bullshit off the cuff lies, and he rolled over the moderators like a Karen going after the manager.
His base loved it. I think his message of fear, hate and bullshit was compelling (if you still read at a 6th grade level like the majority of Americans).
Yes...reasonable people know Kamala is a better candidate.
Do you really believe someone who is still undecided going into last night's debate is a reasonable person?
I don't think there's any chance of converting his base, though. Surely what she needed to do - and what it sounds like she did, I haven't finished listening to the debate yet - is persuade everyone else to vote for her? His base alone isn't enough to guarantee him a win if there's a strong showing for Harris, as happened for Biden in 2020
I think there are people who have conservative values which they believe are better for the country but also struggle with the thought of supporting Trump. For those people, last night’s debate probably pushed them further away from him. Some may go to Harris which is the hope.
I wish she would have invited those people directly in her closing statement. Something along the lines of “If you don’t agree with me, I’m hear to listen and understand why. Together, we can move forward instead of going back to chaos and anger and division “
She did seem to go after them when she mentioned all the Republicans that have endorsed her.
Undecided are largely not actually undecided. They mostly vote along party lines. The point, in the current political climate, is to demotivate turnout of the other side's undecided. And I think based on that, this was a deep loss for Trump. Outside the pundit sphere, he was literally a punchline and joke the entire night. Memes of the hilariously dumb shit he spewed almost instantly sprouted up and are all over the place.
The demotivated take is solid. I like it...thanks.
As others said, she would mainly be converting independent voters and potentially some Republican leaning voters that don't actually like Trump but are hesitant to cross party lines.
But I also think it's likely that his terrible performance and obvious weakness could be demoralizing to his more devoted followers. The people who buy into the stable genius strong man image he is so desperate to project got a chance to see just what a sad old wreck of a human being he is. Even if virtually none of them switch sides, a decline in enthusiasm likely translates into slightly fewer donations, slightly less engagement, and ultimately slightly less voter turnout.
To put it another way, did Biden's debate performance convert his base into Trump voters? No. But, it sure as hell had an effect on them.
They're the dregs of society that get off on WWF and whatever MTV is these days.
People are climaxing to the World Wildlife Fund?
FYI It was renamed WWE in 2002...
Do you really believe someone who is still undecided going into last night’s debate is a reasonable person?
It's not just about president it's about party. Someone might not like Trump. But at the same time dislike democratic policies and democrats as a party.
So now the have to decide. Do they go against Republicans due to their candidate? Hearing Kamala debate him might convince them that yeah... ok. They're not THAT bad.. at least they (democrats) are better than him (Trump)
Thank you!
I thought I was crazy looking at all these posts... You have to watch this as someone who knows next to nothing about politics. In that frame, Trump seemed wayyyyy stronger than Harris. I was actually really disappointed at so many opportunities she passed up to lay down facts in favor of jumping on talking points... Trump kept spitting out "data" (lies, but the people who don't pay much attention don't know that) and so he appeared more knowledgeable than her, she just kept trying to attack him instead of actually responding to things... Hell, why did we keep the tarrifs? Why not just answer that for us?
One bit that drove me up the wall was when he went on about all the court cases that he "won" and had dismissed... For fucks sake Kamala that's the perfect opportunity to discuss the heritage foundation and the corruption of the courts! Goddamn "judge" Cannon was the piece of shit doing Trump's bidding and tossing these cases... That's a perfect example to provide to the people as to why court reform is important and she could have created a distinction between them, but no she goes back to a talking point that I can't even remember what it was...
You have to watch this as someone who knows next to nothing about politics. In that frame, Trump seemed wayyyyy stronger than Harris.
Look just say as an idiot, it's way shorter. As an idiot, loud shouty man seemed stronger? If you have no life experience, sure. Loud shouty men look out of control with their emotions, weak, and easily manipulated...which is exactly how Trump seemed to anyone who wasn't an idiot.
Trump kept spitting out “data”
Spittle isn't data.
Look, she didn't do perfectly, but she also was alloted much less time and the breaks for commercials(?!) seemed to always screw her over. You're never going to respond to every point in an angry gish gallop and she did about as good as anyone could in my opinion.
I mean, for fuck's sake, as the article says, he lost the exchange on the Afghanistan withdrawal.
I was actually really disappointed at so many opportunities she passed up to lay down facts in favor of jumping on talking points
So let's say she corrects him on a lie. Then what? Correct the next one? The one after that? The one after that? Trump had more lies than Kamala had time.
Responding to lie after lie after lie just lets him control the conversation. What she did was the best option available.
Oh yea, that was a debate point I hated too...she's billing herself as the prosecutor, but when he started uttering complete bullshit about the cases he won, she didn't go after it.
Come on Kamala, fucking get him... that's a underhanded softball pitch thrown by a 6 year old, kill it. Instead she took the safe single and went back to policy.
And she didn't even need that copy of Time magazine for it.
It was great to see.
Kinky
Idk, I disagree:
But anyone with a fifth grade education or better could have at any time…
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It's disappointing that all it took for a headline like "no one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump" was a question-dodging stereotypical politician. I was very frustrated by the entire debate. Trump's word salad and Kamala's deflection kung-fu... but I understand that I am not the only person in the US, so emotionally charged anecdotes instead of clear answers are what wins the day. But still...
What questions did she deflect on?
I just finished watching the debate myself, I don't know if she dodged more than once, she certainly didn't do as much dodging as he did. But she 100% dodged answering why the Biden administration hasn't removed Trump-era tariffs without even a hint of addressing it. I'm not a big fan of what that entails, I think globalization in US economy might be coming to a screeching halt no matter who gets elected.
Right off starts with BS.
She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.
Lol, that's not things work! What a stupid narrative... Trump knew exactly what he was doing by walking straight to his podium. He didn't even meet her halfway. He made her have to come over to him. That! is the power move. Making her have to come to him. THAT is what shows dominance. Harris displays no dominance and is going to appear weak to other world leaders, which will make America look weak.
She was never in charge. And she reaked of subservience.
