Fair point. I did misread 'one on one' to mean Democrat vs Republican with 'stepping back' to mean viewing Third Parties.

I totally agree with your reasoning, as it was my reasoning. The guy is old, not a debate. He's a gaffe machine, too. Some people pushed the meme he was losing a step, but while I saw him as old, I didn't see him as washed up or senile. The guy just doesn't know how to NOT put his foot in his mouth (I share a lot in common with him on that regard!!!), and there were an awful lot of bad-faith actors saying that he wasn't just old, but senile as well. They're still around, saying he's too old and senile to run the show now, and he should resign.

I think how Harris is being treated by various people on and offline should be a key indicator that Biden's resignation wasn't the end of the bullshit factories. They each have their own desires for their choice of President, and they can't even agree with each other who that choice is. Some will scream for Sanders. Others will scream for Stein. Some particularly pigeon-holed ones will argue for Fruit, despite her being mathematically eliminated from 270 before the first vote is cast. And lets get real. There are all to many of them who will tell you "IMMA FOR JILL" or some other tiny Third Party candidate while actually wanting Trump. Some think that a Trump presidency will lead them to the Progressive Promised Land. Others...are here to ensure we're so busy infighting that we can't put a unified resistance up, so they can get the Handmaiden's Tale they desparately want.

If Biden gave up because America is dumb, I don't blame him. In 2016, I tried hard to get out and get to Canada or New Zealand. But now Canada and New Zealand are overrun or about to be overrun by dumb people too. :|

This poster thinks I didn't know. But how can it know that. I just pointed out that there were literally hundreds of articles, then correctly cited the date. It's not making the point it thinks it's making. The media covered both idiots that took the pot shots at the Trumpster Fire. To the tune of hundreds of articles.

Folks, win or lose, the aftermath of election day will be a shitshow. I've written up a guide for how to survive Election Day 2024. The TL;DR: form is prepare for a hurricane or blizzard, with a nod to crazy people by preparing for self-defence, then be ready to hunker down. Election 2024 promises to be crazy, given how 2020 went down. Please look after yourselves!

I'm misgendering this poster because it insists that I am just like Republicans. Which is a fucking lie. And another violation of Rule 3. Is the poster can't take it, don't dish it. And maybe stop using its transgenderness as a cover for its incivility!

I'll let it have the last word now.

You think you have a big gotcha here, but it was covered extensively when it happened. The google (or Bing in this case)(you don't want us to do returns over 10 pages of results, including articles from:

• NBC News (top result)
• US News
• AP News
• Wikipedia
• CNN
• NY Times
• LA Times (literally, coast to coast here)
• NPR
• Reuters
• Fox News (of course...)
• Politico

Some of these sources wrote more than one article, with at least three by CNN and two by NPR.

You might think none of us know that Trump came close to assassination on 2024-09-15, but did you know that Trump didn't tell his secret service detail he was going to the golf course, so they didn't do a perimeter sweep before he got out there? They only found the shooter because Trump was finishing up one hole and they rushed to the next and spotted the would-be assassin.

Well, Trump has already killed millions of people with his stupidity. What's a few more?

This poster doubles down. It doesn't care to show me civility or respect, and instead makes thinly veiled insults at me and my father, which of course it knows nothing about. And then it expects me to do it the kindness of taking it at face value.

Like I told the last poster that tried this tact with me, we're on the internet, where the men are men, the women are men, the children are FBI agents, of course this poster is a transgender Russian expat, and nobody, and I mean nobody knows I'm a cat. If it's going to call me a xenophobe and a conservative, then it'll have to deal with being treated as something it's not too. It can either stop being a jerk to me, or it can block me. But it won't be calling me a xenophobic conservative without SOME response, as hampered as that response may be by the rules of this community.

Got proof of this? I mean, only once in my lifetime has a third party cracked 10% of the vote share. Easily 90% of the votes given have gone to a guy or gal with an -R or -D after their name for President.

casual xeophobia --> You lot being sore loser hard-leftists, Greenies pissed that they don’t have more of a say in government, paid actors and disinformation peddlers hired by Republicans and Russians to fragment the Left coalition like has happened time and time again (stupid ‘fall in love’ party), and of course those same Russians and Republicans who directly inject BS into our political discussion.

Dear reader, just to be clear what this poster is trying to hide in its quote. It doesn't try to refute a single word of this. No. It goes off on a tangent about how mean liberals are calling out the Russian involvement in propping up the Fascist Dictator Wannabe while tearing down Team Blue for the lulz. Despite the fact that I called out everyone in this faction trying to tear down the Left and prop up the Right, including the hard-core "Dems aren't left enough" leftists, the Greenies that only seem to pop out during the Presidential Elections to tear down the Left and give the Right a chance to steel it, useful idiots who don't realise they are being played, and the bad actors who really DO want a Single-Party Republican Dictatorship with elements taken from Handmaiden's Tale, 1984, and Hunger Games for good measure. Rather than engage or refute any of these truths, it gets all butthurt about how we distrust Russians when really, all we distrust are the Russian government, who has repeatedly put their thumb on the scale for the Authoritarian Conservatives of our country.

I just want to point out that you didn't need to tone police yourself for my satisfaction. You needed to tone police yourself to the mods satisfaction. And you failed. I have no power here. My constant bitching about how the mods show you lot too much difference should make that abundantly clear. I called you out to the mods. They found you lacking. Maybe leave off accusations about shitting peoples pants in the future and you won't get modded? That said, I'm done with you.

Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away.

My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on >>Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists.

Sounds like you guys have a lot in common behaviorally despite your professed political differences.

And you wonder why you get so many downvotes and pushback. You stand in judgement over what somebody else wants to eat. It's not enough for you to meet half way. If they don't capitulate 100% to you and subjugate themselves at your feet, you spit bile at them. You automatically assume the worst about other people, hurl invectives at them, and wonder why it is your candidate of choice doesn't win. Thanks for illustrating that 'my way or the highway' isn't just Republican territory.

Reply to edit: Then block me. I'm not going to stop replying to your nonsense, so you might as well just block me. ;)

Because your phrasing is disingenuous. You imply nefariousness where none exists. He ran thinking he was the best choice, until he flubbed the debate, and ... get this...he got the majority of delegates. 14 million people voted for him. And he won the Primary. Are you saying you and your ilk are more important than the 14.5 million people who cast their ballots for him (you couldn't manage 2 million votes between your three alternatives to Biden...), and the 3.9k delegates he won? That their expressions of preference should be thrown out so you can have a bruising 4 week primary in August while Trump just uses your various attacks against each of the candidates and racks up hundreds of millions of campaign contributions that he doesn't have to spend until September? And at best, we just use up Biden's campaign warchest trying to fend your candidates off, and at worst, we have to start over with some relative unknown with a depleted warchest, and no access to the Biden/Harris warchest? And go through the whole rigamarole of qualifying for state ballots so close to election day? Not to mention the extra costs of running a second set of primaries because you couldn't accept the fact that you lost?

We had a primary. Biden won that primary. There's no nefarious plan to install Harris. And the only reason that Harris has to run at all is because you lot showed up here and shat all over Biden over and over and over and over and *four hours later * over again. You lot being sore loser hard-leftists, Greenies pissed that they don't have more of a say in government, paid actors and disinformation peddlers hired by Republicans and Russians to fragment the Left coalition like has happened time and time again (stupid 'fall in love' party), and of course those same Russians and Republicans who directly inject BS into our political discussion. And just to be clear, I'm not speculating on which you are, just pointing out that's what your coalition is, and that's why we're here where we are right now.

Biden is the Incumbent, and we took a huge risk, that may well not pay off, swapping him out in mid-race.

Harris is the Vice President. She is the logical successor, by way of our own constitution, to take over if Biden is incapacitated.

Democrats have a long history of tearing each other down when they don't get what they want. Hard-Leftists screamed bloody murder for getting Biden removed. He thought he was up for it (and still does, he did an interview on that recently!), but bowed to increasing calls when it became clear he didn't have the backing of the Dems after the debate performance.

Do you blame the hard left when you shit your pants?

What the fuck is wrong with you. Regardless, I'm reporting this violation of Rule 3. @[email protected] , is this acceptable to you?

Ironic right after the whole discussion from Tee9000 about hatred. Goes to show that that hatred isn't exclusive to Team Pepe.

What does your answer have to do with tee9000's question?

Americans make it a past time to hate on other Americans, and don't think this is limited to Left vs. Right. I like meat. Not going to lie -- I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I'll fight you if you try to take my meat away. For that, I get called vile things by fanatic vegans who can't seem to accept that I have my own life and make my own choices, despite the fact that I agree with them on a variety of other things, including having a lighter touch on the planet, being responsible stewards of our resources, treating animals with respect and kindness, and of course things like civil rights. Watch this; I expect them to be along shortly to prove my point.

My father and I can't be further apart on politics. He's a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn't like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists. Tee9000's question speaks to my dad's and my relationship. If I follow your pattern, I cut him out of my life and leave him high and dry. And trust me: there have been times when I wanted to do exactly that. But what would it accomplish? I'd be disowned by my dad, he'd die old and alone (mom died 5 years ago, I'm his only child), and we'd just hate each other. And I'd never have learned that he swapped out all his incandescent bulbs, which he swore the government would have to pry out of his cold, dead hands, for LED lighting, because...*gasp*...environmentalists listened to the criticisms of CFLs and replaced them with something that matched the quality of lighting from his favourite lights.

You can accomplish far more by listening and cooperating than you do by vilifying and hating on people. That's Tee9000's point.

Now, I'm not saying that you should put up with people misgendering you. Far from it. Stand up for your rights. But maybe instead of cutting people out of your life, you should make inclusion in your life contingent on respect. "You used masculine pronouns to refer to me despite knowing that I prefer feminine pronouns. Unless and until you respect me, I will not interact with you any more." works far better than "fuck you, good bye." It makes it clear on them that they have to respect you, and maybe, just maybe, you'll actually change a few minds. I think that's what Tee9000 is trying to say here.

Definitely seems like the media, bought up by very conservative old men, has a favourite in the election. Not sure if they're pushing the narrative that Trump is surging to depress Democratic Party vote or motivate us to not get complacent.

I could quibble about Clinton overwhelmingly defeating Sanders, but I really don't have to. The actual numbers were 55.2% Hillary Clinton, 43.1% Bernie Sanders. Clinton won a straight majority of votes -- not a plurality, a majority. And I say this as a Bernie Sanders voter who caucused (not voted in a primary, caucused, as in went to a school and stood in a classroom to be counted) for Bernie Sanders. Sanders came in second place because more Democratic Primary voters picked Clinton than Sanders. It wasn't stolen. Clinton won that fair and square. Contrary to all the various little voices that crept out of the woodwork, and I say this, again, as a voter who caucused for Sanders, more Americans wanted a moderate candidate than risk a Progressive that could honestly be tarred as a Socialist.

That said, I would have LOVED to see Crony Capitalism vs. Euro-Socialism as an election in the USA. Too bad, it was Fascism vs. Crony Capitalism....

Kamala Harris is Joe Biden's running mate.

Were Biden to have been incapacitated, Kamala Harris would step in for him. We made this choice back in November 2020, and it'll hold true until January 2025.

Do you expect the Dems to have a contested Primary with less than one month to go until the General? How nice. Everyone will be tearing themselves apart in order to appeal to the various different factions that make up the Democratic Party, weakening each other until the final canidate emerges with a depleted warchest and a whole bunch of bitter people whose favoured candidate DIDN'T win? And assuming Harris, the VP and assumed successor for Biden, doesn't win this contested primary, has to return the warchest Biden built up?

And Trump will be waiting in the wings, with a building warchest and backers setting up GOTV. Again. Does the far-left WANT Trump to win, because man, that's what it looks like to me!

He stepped down because he saw that America took his gaffes at the debate more seriously than he thought they should, not because he feels he's not up to the job. Honestly, our way of selecting Presidents sucks. An objective look at this admin versus the last admin would make that decision easy -- Biden has set himself up for success by hiring competent underlings rather than yes-men, and he managed to reverse killer inflation and handle a global pandemic, while fighting against one tyrant. He's not perfect. Nobody is. He is open to criticism over his handling of Palestine and Israel and we sure can criticise his unwillingness to hold Netanyahu as accountable as he wants to handle Putin. But the other guy set up Biden for the last 4 years of bullshit with his utter mismanagement of the country, and plans on making things ten times worse. Biden looked at the polling, at the bullshit settling down on his administration and on him personally, and said he'd step back so Harris could run.

As for why Harris got the nod? There was less than a month until the General Election, virtually all of the Primaries had already been had, and despite all the bullshit being peddled about him, he won the Primary. Harris was on his ticket. They wanted to transition easily into the General without a bajillion crazy little questions about the Biden/Harris campaign, its warchest, and avoid a bloodbath between various Democratic Party factions all screaming for their guy/gal just in time for Trump to trounce the weakened candidate in the general, they leveraged the same process that would have happened had that nutbar that shot at Trump taken a shot at Biden and didn't miss -- the VP becomes POTUS. And this allows Harris to not have to jump through hoops for ballot access nor start from scratch with campaign finances, which unfortunately are STILL important for getting into the White House.

Sadly, the bullshit shifted to Harris and we're back where we were before. Does the hard-left WANT Trump in office, because it sure fucking looks like they do.

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