Is having an Android really a deal-breaker for some people?
Is having an Android really a deal-breaker for some people?
I asked if people chose iPhone for the blue bubbles elsewhere a couple days ago, and while there was some good discourse on that post, the blue bubbles definitely also came up as a reason.
In my experience, when people find out my texts are green, they oftentimes would rather switch to a different platform altogether like Instagram or just not text at all.
Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?
If they don’t want to text you because you don’t have an iPhone they’re not friends you want to have.
Seen this sentiment that green bubbles = bad a few times online but never it's never come up for me. I assume this is a teen - early adult specific issue where the idea is mostly to be part of the group
It's been happening in high schools, to the point teens are bullied and pushed out of peer groups if they have Androids. It's frankly disgusting that apple willingly creates this division to profit off teenagers bullying each other, and they don't get called out for it enough.
But in the larger picture, it's definitely going to be more common among the young, because iPhones themselves are ubiquitous among the younger. It's something the tech space is slowly starting realize: Apple has almost total market dominance among the rising demographic, and this has led to increasing tech illiteracy due to the way Apple designs its software, and inability/refusal to learn anything else. That is a huge problem for the tech industry when the only thing they can do to find customers is dumb their software down to appeal to people that don't know how to use anything other than iOS
If anybody wants to judge me based on the brand of electronics I use, my favorite band or the brand of clothes I wear, I have no interest in interacting with them lol. This whole consumerist worship-culture is just toxic.
The worst thing you can do as a consumer is be (blindly) loyal to a brand.
E.g. I like Columbia jackets, footwear, outdoor wear, etc. If however their quality goes down, or there is another comparable product that happens to be on sale (and assuming I like the look/style) I wouldn't NOT get it because it isn't a Colombia product.
I am an Android user but this comment should be taken very lightly. As this is not the cause the truth is that Apple is at fault here for still using SMS as the default messaging protocol. However, with that being said, SMS breaks messages on iPhone and the devices have been geared towards iPhone users in away that makes it seem like Android is the issue with image quality and texting. The marketing is excellent on Apple's end towards the competition and it is working.
However, that doesn't mean iPhone isn't the problem. I have a sibling who got bullied for having an iPhone. Apple's answer to these problems is just, "get an iPhone." This is equivalent to, "can't figure it out? Just Google it." The problem with this mentality is it gives more power to monopolizing platforms. Apple is a growing giant and if they had their way you would just have an iPhone and if Apple has expressed anything in the past 8 years it's that they aren't exactly the innovators with mobile devices anymore. To me the problem is on an iPhone nothing would change.
A little irrelevant rant but my point is that the average iPhone consumer has been given a marketing ploy so it is a deal breaker because they think it is an issue and in all fairness it is one but only Google is trying to fix. Issue is that Google should have tried to fix it years ago. You can't blame iPhone users for wanting to use other platforms to message you if your message is compressed heavily by Apple's shitty and stupid fucking decision to keep using SMS to control the market. The care about user experience is overshadowed by the desire to use that as a means to make money off of a user that doesn't understand messaging protocols. Fuck Apple.
Keep using SMS? What are Apple's other alternatives, exactly? RCS is still a mess, the only way it has e2ee is if you use Google's messaging app, and there's no way you will see Apple adopting Google's standard without having a say in it, and rightfully so - Google locks tons of proprietary features out of their APIs - EXIF data for Photos, Categories in Gmail, etc.
I think this is actually more of a comment on Google's lack of direction with messaging - how many different messaging apps have they sunset by now? Half dozen or so? Messaging has always been a cluster on Android. WhatsApp is supposedly e2ee, but they have backdoor bugs being patched on a nearly basis - ask Jeff Bezos how his dick pics got hacked.
Maybe the post has been edited between when you posted and now, but that’s not what OP is saying.
He’s saying that people don’t want to use SMS. They want to message him via some other platform.
Honestly, I’m the same way. I don’t like SMS and talk to my friends on Android via WhatsApp.
Especially for group chats of any kind, SMS is garbage compared WhatsApp, Signal, or Threema.
If they don't want to text you because they care what your device is, they're not friends you want to have.
(this goes both ways. Lots of apple hate in this thread but, wtf, just get on with life folks. if you give a shit what hardware I run, or think i care about your choices, we're probably not going to be friends).
Yes, but it's a feature, not a bug.
It's a super low investment and quick way to identify people you should avoid.
I think this must be a cultural thing because no one in the UK sends SMS messages. Everyone just uses WhatsApp or signal or telegram. I'm android and have literally never had anyone mention the colour of my bubble. I didn't know this was a thing!
I think it’s mostly an US thing. The rest of the world has moved away from SMS.
US haven't moved away from Imperial either 😂
Americans please
Wait, this is over SMS!?!? How quaint! I haven't seen anybody use an SMS for anything outside of spam in years!
I'm from the US and people are using SMS less and less I feel like (though again, I'm biased because Android). Even most of my networking for work is done on Instagram, which to me is incredibly bizarre.
Canada too, but at least we don't rely on whatsapp/meta
I think this is true, but it's also not in a sense. I think gamers use discord a lot, techy people use Signal, Matrix, or Telegram, and most others are using iMessage or RCS.
Apart from SMS Auth and occasionally a "NEW FIRE BUD 10/10 stardawg smoke ring me" messages, apart from those SMS is dead..
You're right on the money with this comment, what a strange country they have over there..
no one in the UK sends SMS messages
I do, I use stuff like WhatsApp and Discord too mainly of course, but an SMS is fast and reliable, as opposed to the others that require a decent data signal on both the sender and receiver (which is often lacking on my network unfortunately).
Plus, I can schedule SMS messages for a particular time so as to not wake the recipient up if I want to send them a message in the middle of the night, very handy!
Plus, I can theme my SMS app however I want, changing colours, fonts, etc, to be exactly what I like, as well as picking out an SMS app that has the features I'm looking for in the first place (I recommend Chomp). I find applications like WhatsApp to be extremely limited in this regard. Not a deal breaker, but I do love customisability and choice.
I certainly don't use SMS anywhere near as much as Discord, but it's wonderful to have it, and I use it regularly :-D
P.S I've wanted to use Signal for years but nobody I meet uses it :-( Such a shame, it seems neat!
P.P.S Telegram looks neat too, unfortunately again the adoption with people I know is strangely just 100% furries and nobody else, so I stick to the client that everybody uses rather than having a bunch of them installed (Discord & occasionally WhatsApp).
Fair enough! Maybe it depends on where you live, too. My parents live in rural Cornwall so if I send an SMS they might not get it for a few days (no signal where they live) but their WiFi is good so they'll definitely get a WhatsApp (or other) message.
How old are you? When I studied in Scotland 2016-2020, the preferred messaging app was messenger (i.e. facebook), and I'm curious whether that has changed in the last 3 years or whether it's a different demographic.
I don't understand the apple cult. I've tried their phones. I prefer Android phones.
I have heard of some people who think non apple users are subpar, but those are the ones you want to avoid.
I worked for Apple for about 4 years and few people had Apple devices, despite the discount. I was supplied an iMac and MacBook Pro, but also a Windows PC and notebook that most work was done on because of software support. Most employees were obviously into their tech, so Android was by far the most popular for mobile devices. I remember a guy with a Windows phone.
No one judged, though. Having obviously used a lot of gadgets extensively, people understood that people land on what they like the most and there's no right or wrong with personal opinion.
This is the key. Different products are intuitive for different people. Some people prefer less customizability with less barrier to entry. I recommend Apple products for a lot of users even though I strongly prefer Android/Linux/Widows. I also strongly prefer the Mac trackpad and gesture support. I use a Mac laptop for anything not work related because I hate the way trackpads work on Windows (even using the superior Mac trackpad).
All that said, if someone else prefers iOS, or Windows trackpads (or even likes those awful little buttons on Lenovos), then they should use them! Use what works for you!
This works both ways. Best advice is to stop caring.
I've had (have) iPhones supplied by work and I just can't get away with them. To the point it just sits there on my desk and never get touched unless I need to 2FA or something through it.
And even that takes me an unreasonable amount of time to figure out every time. A lot of that is down to lack of experience, but I'm sure most is down to it just being unintuitive vs an android. And I'm a Pixel user, and before that a HTC user so always been a very pure Android experience.
If you live anywhere outside of the US, the question is irrelevant, because everyone uses whatsapp etc.
Within the US, if you are over the age of 30, it probably doesn't matter.
if you are under the age of 30 AND in the US, I mean, if someone does judge you for it, you at least have a great way to filter shitty people out of your life lol.
If your "friends" make so much fuss over text bubbles, probably the best course of action is to find better friends.
This.
Doubly so when the whole reason is Apple intentionally creating a degraded experience for everyone who's not paying them.
not to mention installing any chat app or using existing Instagram chat only take you less than a minutes to do
Let me guess, you are from the United States? Every time I heard about this is only from the US, never see anyone outside giving a single fuck about that.
Also, do you really wanna be friend with someone that choose friendship by the phone their friend uses? WtfIts only a dealbreaker if you are dealing with someone who is exceedingly vapid and worthless as a human being, and you should be grateful for it, because it lets you know real quick not to waste another ounce of effort on their dumb asses.
People that buy Apple are some of the most superficial beings on this planet.
Who gives a fuck about text bubbles?
Find friends that aren't so shallow.
I don't think it's literally about the color. It's that SMS has no features. I don't like talking to people over SMS either. I like modern chat platforms, like Signal and Telegram, that support reactions, high-quality media, receipts, encryption, etc.
Android is switching over to RCS where available, as long as you use the Google Messages app. The default app on a lot of phones don't support it, but all major carriers in the US do support it. RCS is far superior to MMS or SMS. RCS also supports reactions, receipts, etc, though I'm unsure about whether or not it supports high quality media, but I do know that I've had no issues getting good pictures texted to me from other Android users who have RCS. If apple would follow suit, this would be a non issue, but Apple refuses to play ball, so they can use it as a marketing tactic. I'd bet that if they opened up iMessage to Android, there would be a whole lot of people adopting it, just so we're all on the same page, but yet again, Apple refuses to play nice. This entire thing is Apple's fault for wanting to keep iPhone users in a walled garden.
I just know that those 12 people who down voted this are also some of those superficial beings. Like really? Grow up, the products you use shouldn't have any effect on your ability to be friends with someone. I find it extremely hard to believe that their are full grown adult human beings that believe this is.
You make the choices you make, that includes the people you interact with.
I prefer not to interact with paper thin personalities that buy Apple products.
This is so American...
"Let me send an SMS, while I ride my horse to go to my bank and do other things that people used to do in 1870."
"Oh, their SMS color is different! I dislike people with a different color than me."
I dislike people with a different color than me.
Well..
iPhone user here, no. I don’t care what other people use and I really find the Android vs iPhone debate both done-to-death and incredibly boring. Most often, from both sides, it’s just people (kids most likely) stroking their own egos in an attempt to argue with someone and feel superior.
I use an android tablet currently for art. I’m very familiar with android and even some degree of programming knowledge. It’s great. My iPhone is just as good in that it does what I need it to do and I understand other people don’t feel the same, which is absolutely fine.
Fuck blue bubbles lmao that’s some cult shit tbh.
Oh also, Memmy is amazing.
I think it's a case of the tyranny of minor differences and what people are used to. My personal phone is an android and I'm used to it and like it, while my work phone is an iPhone and I use it for entirely different work-related reasons that it's great for.
Never shall the two meet! I actually like having my work and private lives segregated into two separate OS's that have little if any overlap.
I love the blue bubble thing being a .... thing.
It makes identifying people who are a waste of time really easy. Making a big deal out of the colour of a text message bubble? Smell ya later loser, you ain't worth investing any time in.
Move on lads. If someone's shallow enough to care about the brand of phone you use they can go sniff farts for all I care. I ain't following them in their campaign to give the worlds richest company more money. It reminds me of that fundraiser to make one of those reality TV dickheads a billionaire by donating them cash. Like how does transferring some of your small amount of wealth to their giant pool of wealth somehow boost your own... anything?? Probably the second stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Laugh in Europe
Y'all are using WhatsApp, owned buy Facebook. Don't get too smug now. :P
Signal, Telegram , WhatsApp.
All of them and because my telephone decides the keyboard, it's a pretty unified experience.
One social group is on one app, the family on a second, and the privacy, techsavvy group uses a third.
Laughs in most countries
I never had a IPhone but if they don't Text you because you don't use a IPhone... That sounds crazy.
If someone's gonna cut out a person out of their lives because of the choice of their phone, you're better off without that person in your life.
For a long while last year, I had an iPhone and my fiancé had a Pixel. It did not matter whatsoever in regards to the relationship. We used Telegram (still do).
If phone choice dictates someone's choice in partner it is probably safe to categorize them as "terminally online." Stay away from those people.
I don't even hate Apple that much, but what I hate is that every time I find out somebody I know uses Apple product I say to myself in quiet "Oh gosh...", because very often the reason they use Apple whatever is to feel better than somebody.
And I hate people like these. Not every Apple enjoyer is like that, and there are legitimate reasons to go Apple, like wanting that ecosystem, good camera,, using something that just works or go with Apple Silicon revolution. And no, Apple is not really private.
But in most cases their reasons are either a fucking IM bubbles (because I don't want to spend 5 seconds to install an app that works anywhere) or it just "doesn't lag" (which any phone over $200 doesn't) which is obviously a fucking bullshit to cover the actual answer which is "I wanted to feel better by having shit that every fancy person uses".
But the funniest people are the ones trying to explain these "amazing features" to me, totally ignoring the points that IM sucks on Android because Apple pushes their own standard and refuses to use open ones, that no sideloading and Apple controlling whole app ecosystem is the best thing ever and that Android is slow, because it [put any argument Apple fanboy without the basic OS concepts understanding would make] and not because you used $100 phone and switched to a motherfucking $600 phone. Wow, who would've thought?
My best friend has an iPhone. I'm a Samsung girl. Any time her phone doesn't let her do something I poke fun at the iPhone, but in reality they are just different versions of the same thing. The only real reason I have to complain is the price tag. I'm not paying double for an item that does the same thing as the cheaper version. That's just stupid financially. It's not a better product because it costs more. I can live without whatever it offers that android doesn't.
Wait, so people decide on a phone based of OS because of blue or green chat message colors? This is the first time I'm hearing this, is this something more of a USA thing or does this apply to other ocuntries as well?
Buying a phone based on chat bubble color seems something that occurs in a toxic society, where you are judged based on phone model. And why do they then change to an other platform to write you?
I never had a discussion about Andriod or IPhone based on this parameter, it was more about UI, services and design of the phone. To be fair we all use third party messengers like Signal or Threema.
It's a US thing. It took european carriers a very long time to offer unlimited texts (especially across borders) which in turn helped apps like Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram. iPhones display messages/SMS from non-iPhones in green bubbles. Pictures sent from non-iPhones are displayed in lower resolutions because Apple doesn't support some standard or smth.
The first time my wife saw a picture taken by my phone, on my phone, she was blown away. She thought all android cameras suck because that's what Apple wants them to believe. Her mind was blown that I actually had a way better phone camera than her.
It quickly became, "let me borrow your phone for this picture, then you can upload it for me." Yet she still refused to leave apple
In our country sms were free in the first few years of early 2000s, then the telcos learned. And now its paid per message.
Though nobody uses sms anymore, since FB is free and so is messenger, even if you don't have data available.
Zuck struck gold here.
It's not the first time I'm hearing about it. In The Bachelor episode of Game Changer, wrong color of the bubble was used as main argument of why having an Android phone is considered red flag. I think most of the contestant marked having Android as a red flag. After that it was kinda hard for me to treat them seriously, like they are open enough to compete in a show to go on vacation with guy they are meeting for the first time, but they have a problem with that guy messages being displayed in different color.
To make it even more funny, when someone proposed they could use other communicators if they really don't like green bubbles, the response was that they don't live in Europe.
It's not about the color of the bubbles, it's about SMS vs. iMessage. SMS/MMS is outdated, slow, and limited; nobody should be using it anymore. iMessage is fast and feature-rich; arguably the best chat platform that exists, but it only works from one Apple device to another. Apple uses its position (50 percent of the U.S. smartphone market) to alienate anyone not using their hardware by rolling back to SMS when communicating with a non-iOS/MacOS device. This happens behind the scenes, all directly from the same Messages application. So from the iPhone user's perspective, they're either getting a fantastic experience (blue bubbles) or the absolute worst one (green bubbles) and it's all dependent on what the other person is using.
It's by design. Apple wants the default experience between an iPhone and an Android to be uncomfortable. And getting 125 million American iPhone users to use a different chat application is impossible since they have a truly premium experience with iMessage to iMessage communication.
so the whole world uses mostly whatsapp or some other messaging app. nobody not in the US gives a damn about the color of the bubble or even knows whats the device on the other side. we all use whatsapp its much better in any way possible (except that it belongs to facebook, that is bad... anyway we were there before it belonged to facebook, so.....)
I don't know what you mean by blue or green bubbles (I use Android, Chomp for SMS, Discord to IM, WhatsApp for the stragglers) but I've never met anybody so shallow that they'd give up a friendship over what brand of phone you use. That's the kinda thing a very childish 13 year old might do.
I think you might need to re-evaluate who you think your friends are, if they'd rather cut off contact with you than receive a slightly different looking text message. That's incredibly, INCREDIBLY weird.
It is odd that someone would choose a friendship because of a phone.
Honestly, it's kind of a nice filter to have an Android then, if that's the case.
Don't care about bubble colours, tbf I can probably change that with Android... user modification like this is one of the reasons I prefer it.
With iPhone, once you have one Apple device, your entire device ecosystem has to be a part of the same walled garden... or they don't play nice with each other. Also, imo while Apple devices are often good quality, they massively overcharge for it (considering the cost to assemble and produce the hardware).
Exactly, they fuss about blue or green text bubbles, well mine are yellow, deal with it 😎.
I have five desktop PCs I’ve built, a server, a PiHole, and an iPhone. No issues with them playing nice. I don’t know what you’re on about.
This is 100% real for young people. It's sad and stupid. At least they can easily figure out who will be a crappy friend.
In my experience, no, especially outside of the US.
In many places/countries, there are more android than iphone users. This is especially true in developing countries, but also some developed ones too. It's not uncommon for everyone in these areas to use alternative messaging platform like whatsapp, telegram, or line, so there was barely any difference between android and iphone.
So it's barely a deal-breaker, at least, in this scenario.
Green texts are the worst mostly because (I’m convinced) apple has programmed Messages to intentionally lose them to make group texts with android users a nightmare to deal with, in an attempt at social pressure on android users to get an iPhone.
They are wildly inconsistent in their delivery success. Often times texts will either never go through to some members of the group or go through at random times. Also sent videos are always horribly compressed. Obvious solution would be to use a third party messaging app but but convincing everyone to do that is usually a nonstarter.
What it is though is green texts are just sms messages, which is the original text message protocol that uses cellular infrastructure to deliver the message. Blue texts are sent via the Messages app over the internet so they are likely just more reliable and quick to deliver.
I had this experience in a family chat with some iPhones and some Androids. The funny thing is, it seems to be the iPhones that will miss pictures/message rather than the Androids. I'm not sure how that would pressure me (Android user) to switch.
Only for idiots.
It’s not a dealbreaker for me but I try to push everyone I can to Signal anyway more secure and private than iMessage.
I have the opposite problem... I have family members and friends try to send me pictures and videos from their iPhone's over SMS ALL the time.
They are, like, 40 pixels wide and in the case of video they are literally unwatchable and unidentifiable.
They usually then act put out and irritated with me and the other android users when we need to ask for a link instead. IPhone users can sometimes be such complete idiots... I love these people, but Jesus Christ, guys...
I can make my chat bubbles be whatever color I want. My brother-in-law sometimes gives me lighthearted shit for being the green bubble or whatever in the chat but like, hey man you're the one who put yourself in a walled garden, I don't see it on my end.
It's actually the opposite for me. I don't mind a fancy iphone, but that OS is so locked down I have to run the "same" apps on android to use them effectively for my work.
This is mainly an issue in the United States and Canada.
Right. Android is still 70%+ of the world market.
But iOS is 87% and rising for US teenagers, which explains iMessage being the dominant messaging platform in the US.
Maybe it's a US vs Europe thing but as a European, most messaging (for better or worse, probably worse since it's Meta) is done via whatsapp, where messages appear the same for iPhone and Android users, if somebody messages me through SMS I'd probably think it was a scam or they're really old, no-one I know uses SMS anymore.
It is in fact, a US vs Europe thing. Stateside "SMS" is ubiquitous. I put quotes because it's not really SMS anymore. It's either RCS between Android users or iMessage between iPhone users. The only time SMS actually gets used is between Androids and iPhones, because as other commenters in this thread mention. Apple refuses to implement RCS on their devices in a way that is compatible with non-Apple devices.
Apple refuses to implement RCS on their devices in a way that is compatible with non-Apple devices.
I think it's important to note that "RCS" in this context actually refers to a proprietary messaging platform by Google, running on Google's servers. There is no industry-standard RCS in use in America; it's just Google's forked version, which in practice is exactly as proprietary as iMessage. Nobody should expect Apple to implement someone else's proprietary messaging platform on their devices, especially one run by Google, which has the worst history of managing messaging platforms of any company on the planet.
Yep in the UK everyone from teens to your Nan use WhatsApp whatever smartphone they've got.
My Dad is the only outlier who sends texts, I think he does it on purpose to be 'different' though. Everyone misses his messages until he sends them again on WhatsApp.
Whatsup is just Facebook messenger. No one is installing it, you been fool to believe everyone uses it but not really.
Well I certainly wouldn't use it if it wasn't for social pressure, it's the main way most of the people I know communicate and has been for 5+ years. I don't have a facebook account or need one to use it, so I wouldn't call it facebook.
What? It's absolutely enormous in many countries, don't be delusional. It's by far the most used messaging app in India, and it's not even slightly close. From different posts I've seen over the years, it seems like a lot of other countries use WhatsApp as their primary messaging app as well. I personally prefer Telegram's features, but it's not much of a choice here because everyone just uses WhatsApp.
Texting images between android and ios is fundamentally broken. Images are compressed to potato quality and did mot always make it. When i had android i sent images in messenger and texted in sms to ios folks. Its a lot easier now were all on ios.
So I absolutely understand its simpler to just 100% use a different app.
The image compression problem is on iphone's end, and they do it specifically to coerce you into buying an iphone.
Yep, send something in a group chat to android and iphone users, and if Android sends it, it looks good to Android users.
But iphone degrades it on receipt.
If iphone sends it, it sends a degraded copy to all the androids.
Apple tells everyone it's because iphone is better, and iphone users accept it.
But the end result is more people move to signal or other apps. Which is a positive.
To add on to this, there are two problems with sending images between platforms here:
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It uses SMS/MMS, which inherently sucks. You simply cannot send high-quality photos and videos over MMS. It was designed for flip phones in the Dark Ages. This part is on the tech and there's nothing Apple can do about it, really.
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iOS makes it especially bad. I've noticed that if someone tries to send multiple photos at once, iOS rolls them into a single MMS message, making the quality much much worse. Like postage-stamp-sized. Apple could just as well send each photo as its own MMS message and at least maintain the quality level that allows, but they do not. This part is strictly on Apple.
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Image size limit for MMS is 1MB, even android to android
This is about the 40th most-upvoted comment on this post, and the FIRST comment I found that actually said something about the technical challenges.
Most of the above comments are like “iPhones show different colors based on OS? Weird. Seems dumb to care about that.”
The OS of people’s phone isn’t relevant at all in my social circles. I don’t even know who’s using what. The whole green bubble stigma is an extremely American thing. Everyone else moved away from the default messages app at least a decade ago. I only get some 2FAs there.
I know for sure that I bought Whatspp in 2010. It was a paid app back them.
For me, I'm technologically inclined and like to be helpful. As such, I would not date an iphone user as I do not know how to fix their phones, and that would make me feel sad that I couldn't help. Also, as an iphone user, it seems like they'd rather just buy a new stupidly phone than take the time to figure out how their device actually works, and that massively clashes with how I view things.
One of my acquaintances started a fairly large group text thread recently. Somewhere along the way someone said, "Who's the android user in here ruining everything?" I never said anything in the thread, so I felt like I was in the corner of a crowded room wearing a disguise about to be exposed.
I was also pretty annoyed. Like, what's it matter? Texts are for text. Text works fine.
Get out of that group and if asked why say you don't like bigots.
If an android user is in a iMessage group chat it breaks a lot of the built in functions.
Not your fault, but it takes away a lot of features people use in group chats (at least from my experience)
Wait..when people say the blue bubbles they're talking about text? I thought it was the live wallpaper!
Can apple people not change the color of their text chat bubbles? I changed mine so long ago I don't even know what the default is.
Just in case you're not joking - the blue bubbles in the iOS Messages app denote that the text was sent via iMessage, vs SMS which show up in green.
iMessages typically send over WiFi rather than cellular (but can do both) and offer extended functionality like read receipts, Tapback replies (think like a thumbs up or laugh), integration with FaceTime, Freeform, and other iOS features.
You tend to notice when people aren't using iMessage around the holidays when mass texts to Android/iOS users include things like, "weariedfae laughed at lando55 laughed at joedonuts surprised at alansmithee's message."
You tend to notice when people aren't using iMessage around the holidays when mass texts to Android/iOS users include things like, "weariedfae laughed at lando55 laughed at joedonuts surprised at alansmithee's message."
The funniest part about this is that Android is immune to this issue. These texts automatically get turned into reaction emojis. We don't even see them. We just see reactions like we would normally.
Though I wish Apple would just use RCS instead of SMS, which is an open standard that has most of the features iMessage has. Then we wouldn't even have this problem.
Does anyone else despise tap back replies? It's not even an Android/IPhone thing for me. It's just the fact that it seems like the laziest form of communication ever. Anytime someone uses that I roll my eyes. Either you just wasted a microsecond of your time communicating something I don't care about, or you used an emoji as an alternate form of communication and I am annoyed that you didn't write me an actual reply.
I had no idea this was a thing. Yeah for having friends who don't make a big deal about trivial shit.
Lmao
The only valid response to this shit.
Why do you have a tag that says banned?
The neat thing about Lemmy is that you can just check the mod logs: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=345529
Apparently they got a 7-day ban for breaking lemmy.ml's 'No bigotry' rule
This is more of a US centric problem, in other countries this hasn't been really a problem as everyone is using WhatsApp/Line/Telegram to communicate. More younger people are actually using discord to text with each other. I think this issue will get less relevant as time goes on.
iMessage is only a big deal in the US and maybe Canada. The rest of the world uses WhatsApp and Telegram mostly.
I use several different apps because my friends and family are a good mix of Android and iPhones. I use Blue Bubbles, WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages, Signal, and Meet for "FaceTime" calls.
Just use a service that works on both android and iOS such as Signal.
blue/green bubbles
Whenever I bring those up as an example of a platform (Apple) intentionally leading their users to blame other users for their failings as a brand-bolstering move, I get a swarm of people assuring me it's a myth.
I know it isn't. I see it in the wild, both irl and online, like in this thread.
It's not a strict deal breaker for me, I use an Android myself. But I will definitely preach to people the differences between Apple and Android, because in the US there is a vast divide and for some reason they think that it's a status symbol to have an Apple device, and they will boast like it's some great thing. It's super fun to pull up the hardware specs and show them that my phone Beats there new iPhone in almost every category. Then I end it with saying that both systems have ups and down, apples biggest Pro is going to be their interface, but if you are a techie or want actual control over the phone itself stick with Android. Most of the "incompatibilities" between the two systems, are Apple generated, meaning that they've gone out of the way in some way to actively forbid it. Bluetooth is a perfect example of this, Apple devices support it for audio transfer and Airdrop uses Bluetooth for its transfer medium, but you can't transfer files strictly over Bluetooth because the functionality has been intentionally removed to allow the walled garden state.
Most of the people that I know who have Iphones do for family chat or teens and college age because everyone in their circle does.
But IPhone owners have no call to be looking down on android users.
Some of the greatest apps, PowerAmp and Photo Studio Pro do not have iPhone versions. Also IPhone runs behind Samsung in innovation. I mean IPhone finally added widgets but the functionality on IPhone pales in comparison to Android.
Also can't change defaults in IPhone for launcher, music, dialer, and pretty much everything except, browser, and email.
I could never own an IPhone because they think they know best for users. With Android I have autonomy over my device.
Some areas of this country do not get reliable cell signal that is where an FM tuner can still receive emergency alerts but no not IPhone because they disallow their customer base from having and essentially force their power users to utilize their cloud services because once again they fail to offer expandable storage as an option. Shaping their own market but it essentially is anti consumer.
Despite these things Apple is relatively successful with these business decisions (especially in the US) but Samsung Ultra has eclipsed the IPhone Pro with the 23 version and IOS is still playing catch up with Android.
In my country, nobody uses imessage, just whatsapp.
Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?
I think this is one of the most ridiculous, cringe-worthy things I have read in a long ass time.
I also have to say that I have no idea how anyone puts up with iphones. I have both and the iphone experience from a UI perspective is just awful. Yeah, the screen is nice, the battery life is good, the camera is excellent, but holy crap is this phone infuriating to use. You can get Android phones with just as nice hardware, but then you don't need to deal with that terrible iOS user interface. How is this such a popular device, I will never understand it.
Also, why the FUCK is the iphone so goddamn heavy?! It is smaller than my Samsung and noticeably heavier in my pocket. Just everything about this device is annoying.
i only use android. if someone disciminate you ofr a stupid bubbles color. wth you do with that person???
Imagine being so materialistic that you reject friends based on what brand phone they use. I wouldn't piss on someone like that if they were on fire.
I strive for openness and choice. As much as android is less and less that, it's still a shit tonne moreso than iPhone.
Any person who judges you for your phone is not a friend
Not to mention that any problems caused by green bubble lack of compatibility are Apple's fault, not Android's.
There's a podcast I listen to where the LA comedians routinely use Android as a punchline, while clearly having very little understanding of it. They talk about android users as if they're this bizarre group of social outcasts and libertarians. Tech isn't the topic of the podcast, it's just something I notice any time Android comes up during improv or something. Like this is a well they routinely fall back on. And a lot of guests seem to think something similar.
So I believe there is a weird stigma, but it exists in certain areas more than others. LA is iPhone country, lot of people there see Android as some subpar aberration.
I don’t think I have ever given a shit about the bubble color, and I’m an iPhone user for well over a decade now. I don’t know anyone who actually uses messages for their main communication, they use other apps for that.
I had not cared about it until a few minutes ago, when I read another top post about the girl who got an abortion being outed by non-encrypted messages on Facebook. Since iMessages are encrypted, but sms is not, I could understand iphone users wanting to switch to another platform after realizing their friend is an Android user.
Signal is my preferred messenger right now since I convinced my contacts to move to it. Collects the least and it is private.
There is also Session which is a Signal fork that removes phone number linking.
Matrix for a privacy focused federated messaging system is another option.
No android is much better
This is mainly an issue in countries that still use SMS as main IM platform.
In most countries (where mobile internet coverage is good) the main IM and VoIP platform is an app like WhatsApp and similars.
(The only thing I hate from WhatsApp is that is from Meta and as any Meta app it abuses background usage. I'd replace it with another app but all my friends, colleagues, even shops use it)
I find it easier to convince Apple users to use another app like Signal to group chat with Android users instead if they really don't want the green bubble.
Alternatively, you can get a secondary iPhone just to use iMessage, but carrying 2 phones does get annoying.
I've had an iPhone for a long time and I've never got a person sending me a SMS. All I get are automatic messages about deliveries and stuff. I guess iMessage is more a thing in the USA?
Most of the world uses Android. The fetish for Apple is a pretty uniquely American thing.
Not only that. There are plenty of iphones, but America is the one that uses SMS. Most countries use other apps, such as WhatsApp, Telegram and maybe stuff like Facebook Messenger (I mostly use WhatsApp and Telegram). I've never texted anyone using SMS except just to see if it works lol. But people in America primarily use SMS.
i miss the good old times when i was too young to be literate and could not have possibly read this post
yeah being a toddler was fucking lit
Apparently for some people they see it as a gimped version of IOS somehow. If anything IOS from what I've used before is so much more locked down now than it used to be when I had a 3G. But yeah the stigma is there with some people, but it doesn't really matter at this point. If you want to side load apps, use android because you don't have to go out of your way to get dev permissions, hook it up to the PC to install, and constantly re-approve your side-loaded apps. Seriously that shit gets annoying real fast.
This is some sort of childish tech-classist B.S. Like you wouldn't talk to a friend because of the shoes they wore or the car they drove. Who cares about people like that?
It's not a tech-classist thing, it's a human thing. At our core, we are tribal. We take sides. Android vs. iPhone. Windows vs. Mac. Linux vs. everyone. Sports team A vs. Sports team B. Republican vs. Democrat. Musk vs. Zuck. Cats vs. Dogs. Everything. We take sides on everything.
And those are all a "deal-breaker in friendships" for you? I think we all realize people find all sorts of reasons to use us-vs-them mindset, that's not really the point of this conversation. What reasons you choose to make your friends or otherwise be decent to someone decides whether or not you're being immature or even a bigot.
If you take sides in something as fucking inane as "Windows vs. Mac" or "iPhone vs. Android" to the point of hurting your supposed friends, that's not a human thing. That's an asshole thing. Don't be an asshole. Or stop claiming to be a friend. (Or a human, for that matter.)
The only 'vs.' argument that is proper to argue about is Emacs vs. Vim. (The correct side in that debate is 无.)
username checks out, yyyyiiiikes...
It's a bummer that anyone is made feel this way about the phones they use. I've been an iOS user since my first smartphone and could not give less of a fuck if you are as well or if you use Android. Most of my friends are Android users and our message threads, video messaging, etc is all fine. I feel like I see this thread a lot on every platform and the comments section is just a place for people to vent about how much they hate the other operating system (and most of the time they have never even used the other lol).
The green color that Apple chose for SMS was picked because of how harsh it is on the eyes. They want you to hate talking to non Apple users.
That was the original color before iMessage existed.
Do you think they had green with very poor contrast from the start? https://coolors.co/contrast-checker/ffffff-65c466
I highly doubt it. Apple is known for intentional design.
I came in here expecting to explain why I'll never have an iPhone lol
I had forgotten about the stupid thing where teenagers care about the color of your text bubble
Maybe for some teenagers, kids...
Can confirm, my son opted for an iPhone that was 5 years old rather than a new Android because he was getting left out of group chats on Android.
Part of it is a status thing, part is the green bubbles mean you can't use WiFi.
It may sound weird, but your choice of phone does say something about you. I have to say I am dismayed when I see an iPhone in someone's hand. I may understand their reasons, but still. I can imagine it works the other way around too.
I mean, to take it to the extreme: I remember a Reddit debate about a married couple, where the husband was an open source, anti-corporate advocate, and the wife wanted to fill their house with Amazon Alexa speakers.
20 years ago, your choice of brand for TV or camera wouldn't matter much, but now it can indeed be a big deal.
Not for adults
I honestly get it. Apple has been excruciatingly stubborn to adopt RCS.
But they won't. Because they want users to be pissed off enough to get an iPhone.
That being said, I don't think it's worth hating iOS over. Or vise versa, iOS users just being petty and not texting you because you have an Android. Kinda off topic but the internet loves to shit on Apple.....
Meanwhile I'm over here with a Galaxy S20, iPhone 11 Pro, MacBook Pro, and a mid range Dell laptop running Windows 10.
Also incredibly off topic, but IMO both Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro are superior to anything you can find on Windows. FL Studio comes close though. I hear Abelton Live is good too.
I'm just saying both platforms do the same things very well, and both platforms do some things better than eachother. Troubleshooting on Mac is a breeze whereas on Windows it's god awful. The UI on macOS is so much more consistent than Windows.
Windows has better platform support and doesn't depreciate APIs nearly as much as macOS. (Then again, DirectX 12 dropped support for Windows 7.....WHY).
The file explorer on Windows, while not as pretty, gives you much more control over the Finder in macOS. Windows gives you better user control over Disk Management too IMO. And of course, Windows is better for gaming. That might change over the next 5 years though which I am very happy about.
Also, the Control Panel is fucking awesome and I have no idea why Microsoft continues to try and depreciate it for the trashy Settings app. It has everything you need.
Bit of a rant there.
I don't care much about iMessage. All the people I know who are not an iPhone users use facebook messenger and cry about how bad quality sending pictures and videos are. But do nothing to change that. Thats the problem. I was going though hell to convince my girlfriend to use Signal to chat with me. Because she is an Android user. I hate FB, Insta, WhatsApp and all that stuff.
My first reaction what like ”yes, of course!”. Then I realized you are talking about others people’s phone, not about choosing your phone :D
The only good reason I can see is privacy since SMS not encrypted. But those people most likely ask to switching to Insta, WhatsApp or other BS platform, so I doubt it’s about privacy. The only logical reasons left - they are addicted to those platforms / they value platform more than you / they just PoS
People switching to insta and whatsapp from facebook? I thought they were both owned by meta as well
Edit: yes it is, that's pretty funny
How old are you?
It’s because of you have a green bubble, none of the iMessage features will work, so it’s better to use another, more feature rich platform to communicate.
I get that some teenagers or whatever make a big deal out of it but that’s all it is really. I have an iPhone and I use discord to talk to my friends who have Android phones. It’s never been a problem.
I wish those people understood the full history of Apple making every effort of creating this problem on purpose to create this effect. They've done everything in their power to stop any standard being introduced between the OSes and to introduce features that create this "iPhone vs others" clique bullshit.
Yet these kids and even adults act like it's an android problem. I hate how corporations always win like this, they know exactly how to manipulate people and it works.
What pisses me off the most about apple is their "hey look at this new feature" shtick, bitch please, we've had XYZ feature for years.
Embrace, extend, extinguish in action all over again.
I don't think they'd care, even if they knew
Yeah, it sucks. I wish there was a third (viable) option, because the only reason I have an iPhone is that my only other option is Android, and I fucking hate Google. I know there are de-googlified versions of Android but I’m really not comfortable doing that (not because I don’t trust them but because I don’t trust myself not to completely fuck it up and brick my phone). I fear there will never be another option though.
It's more like a litmus test, imo.
Several teenagers-in-adult-bodies use the incredibly minor inconvenience of green bubbles as class posturing - which is the kind of mindset that I will go out of my way to avoid.
Or, for a small sum, you can either strengthen or wholly dissolve your relationship. A net win either way.
Yeah, some people never grow out of high school.
Is this sms protocol? Haven't sent any sms in yeeears
iPhone user here. Not a dealbreaker, but I can explain why some people may want to switch platforms. Blue bubble iMessages go out over the Internet--wifi, cell data, whatever. Green bubbles need cell signal and go over the cell network as an SMS, Blue bubbles can go out over cell network (via data), but they also can go out via wifi.
For me this means green bubbles cause a couple issues:
- Many places I go do not have cell coverage. Sometimes its a dead area because of mountains, sometimes its an office building that is too thick. In both cases, iMessage blue bubbles still work. Green bubbles do not.
- When I travel internationally I might not purchase an International plan. But you can bet the hotel I am staying at and most bars/restaurants I can go to have wifi. This means I can still communicate without buying a SIM card or purchasing a data plan. FURTHER, even if I did purchase a SIM card, now we are talking international SMS messages which cost a ton.
Now not a dealbreaker. I just move those conversations to Whatapp, Messenger, Line, KakaoTalk, whatever. It's not a big deal. And definitely not a dealbreaker. If it's a dealbreaker for someone that should be a red flag.
I can still be friends with someone even if they did choose the wrong phone ;) /s
I'm an android user that's been messaging and calling over the internet using the default messaging and calling apps for years. What you're describing isn't an android limitation, it's a vendor comparability and standards issue. And I've had just as many problems with iphone users breaking my group texts among android using groups. The fact is that sms on iPhone is broken by design, but because you're all broken in the same way you won't see it.
The above comment is a perfect example of the biggest issue: iPhone users don't understand what's happening and blame Android for it.
This is exactly why I'll never buy from Apple, the first problem in addition to the horrible contrast is intentionally caused by them so you will think other services are inferior. Either that or it's your cell provider, I've been able to text and call over Wi-Fi for years.
Google FI also works with networks from all over the world for no extra cost so that's really nice for international travel.
I use Android with Snapdragon processors to be able to unlock bootloader and flash a custom ROM. This allows me to get Google goodies, even those which current Pixels and any other device, be it an Android or an iPhone, lack. For example: Unlimited original quality photo and video uploads to Google Photos. Regarding your bubble situation, as others have already chimed in, non-US peeps just don't care about it.
I worked at a phone store for 4 years and even though many people will say they dont care much for you having an android they will freak out the moment you say you have one. First thing they say is GREEN BUBBLES and then I have to deal with a rant on why they are iphone and what I use instead of so and so app.
Yep, especially for young people in the United States.
People have become so attached to "one place only for everything" that something as simple as blue/green bubbles (and associated service differences) will be enough to isolate.
The messiah of maximal convenience makes differentiation harder and harder for everyone.
(And for everyone who says "Everyone here just uses Telegram/Whatsapp/QQ/Line, not a problem over here!", guess what, you're still probably gonna be exclusionary to other services just like the blue/green folks. It just doesn't happen to affect you.)
I live in south korea, and YES. My friends say its a dealbreaker, although Idk the reasons.
I convert all my friends to switch to Signal. If they like blue, then let's go there. E2EE and easy to use
I'm not sure if it is possible for me to care less what type of phone somebody uses.
If I found out somebody was judging me based on my phone I would seriously consider breaking up with them.
I'm surprised and dismayed we are even having this conversation, and some of the other replies are deeply troubling.
99% of people in Europe either use android or older models of iPhone, that's my experience in Italy at least, here a flagship iPhone costs more than a normal/good salary (about 1500 a month after egregious taxing) and the new iphones I unfortunately happen to see the pricetag of all come to about 1800, really can't blame people here for using android or iPhone 6/7.
If that's a dealbreaker for sb, i would have to think about if it's a dealbreaker for me that they think that way
I’ve never seen such a thing in my life, but then again where I’m from even iPhone users barely use iMessage
I have seen so many instances of people who are happy with their Pixel or other Android device being forced to switch to an iPhone because the rest of their family uses iPhones, and it's specifically because of iMessage. It's really sad.
That's absurd.
I know with family people also greatly value "Find My". Especially parents and their children. I'm very well versed in iOS and android as I've had both. Google Maps location sharing is ok but not the same as "Find My".
For teens probably might be a dealbreaker.
For adults, mate webjust want to skip the small talk on slack or whatever app your corporate uses.
I could see some features they might want like texts not counting as an SMS or higher quality pics. Using an app fixes those issues so is whatever. Not texting at all is agreeable but don't expect me to reach out...
Fuck em. We all think it's stupid as fuck when you "likes this post"
I mean this came up in a recent group chat we had where I asked who the green text user was. It's not that we didn't continue the text. It's that we have to realize that we are using plain text messages and that our iMessage features no longer work. If your friends don't text you because you have an android, they're not your friends.
The most notable explanation I can point to is that Apple's iMessage, below the hood, functions a lot like WhatsApp or Signal, being an IP Texting/instant messaging service, and offering various advanced features that regular SMS and MMS do not support. To some this is important, and they may think less of Android users as a result of this.
It als does not help that for one, Apple does not want to publish iMessage to the Google Play store, and for two, that there is no general advanced messaging standard in widespread use, that is being enforced as the mandatory standard unless absolutely not available at both ends by phone carriers and/or governments. If there was, the technical side of this would not be a problem.
iPhone user Most of the world uses Whatsapp, so this is a non issue for me
In Spain absolutely everyone use whatsapp as the standard. Then, in families usually people use meesages, telegram or whatever.
The only time it’s an issue for me is when the other person isn’t willing to message me on another app instead of trying to use SMS. I get horrible cell service where I live and my only options are iMessage or an app like Signal /WhatsApp/Messenger.
So this is when adding someone with an Android to a group conversation that was taking place using iMessage can cause some irritation.
This makes me legitimately curious. If you're having this limitation on iPhone, would you consider switching to Android, as the standard MMS protocol supported by Android (and every non Apple vendor) works on wifi/data just fine? iPhone not integrating iMessage with the MMS standard is what causes the issue here.
That's a fair question.
I’m tech agnostic; whatever fits my need is what I use, and I can easily change devices and operating systems without skipping a beat. My entire family and nearly all of my circle are in the Apple ecosystem; it just makes it easier to communicate and keep tabs on my parents. For those that aren't using iMessage, Signal is the preferred app.
I still use Android for work, but the only thing I miss about Android is notifications. Apple can’t seem to get notifications right.
My family uses Whatsapp and my work department uses GroupMe. On group chats, the messages were sometimes getting stuck on sms.
iphones aren't that common in Australia where I am so it's never come up as a problem here. I usually give people shit when I find out they're using one cos imo they're a waste of money lol
In Europe no one uses SMSs so the blue/green stuff doesn’t exist (they all use WhatsApp for some reason). iPhone are only costly or very costly so yeah they are a bit of a status symbol. Applies to all expensive stuff. Personally I love mine and I love the experience of using Apple products, but I don’t care about what anyone uses
Real friends know how to mod the droid ;-)
And thanks to all who enlightened me about that blue and green and bubble issue. Hmm. my Telegram indeed is set to a greenish-bubbly theme but that's a coincidence.
Not wanting to talk to you, because your text bubbles are the wrong colour? Sounds a bit cultlike in behaviour. I daresay I don't know anyone like that. But, I also don't know too many people with iphones any more. Also I don't really use text messages. For text I'm using whatsapp or signal (or for techie types maybe matrix).
My first and so far only iPhone was a 12. Bought it because I really hated the Pixel 4XL and I loved it at the time but I eventually got too pissed off with Apple's restrictive walled garden. I might try again once the EU enforces sideloading but I'm generally happier with Android.
Yeah, it's pretty petty, isn't it. Welcome to people.
It is a pain in group chats. That one green bubble means the chat falls back to basic text. That means I effectively cannot send a video (possible, but unusable quality).
At that point I would rather use something like WhatsApp. Which is fine if everyone in the group has it. At least it is cross platform.
But I am seriously considering buying my sister, who has a cheap husband, an iPhone just so she does not mess up a family group chat.
I find Android users are more self-conscious about their green bubble on their friend’s iPhones, than iPhone users who actually GAF.
Not a big texter anyway but I've never run into anyone who even mentions it outside of techy friends.
I like Android because Apple builds cybernetic robots that target humans
I have a lot of friends that have iPhones. They just don't care about the color of bubbles.
I am an android user. I really don't care if message is send using RCS or SMS.
SMS is just awful, sending someone an image only for them to get a pixelated mess feels bad. Definitely not any kind of dealbreaker though, and I personally don’t know anyone who could care less about the color of chat bubbles. iMessage is just seamless, works across all my devices and never requires even trivial troubleshooting, which makes it a strong preference.
I myself use an iPhone, but I don’t at all look down on people who use android.
Hell, I love android and really wish I could use android phones. But I have had several unfortunate occurrences on my two android phones I owned in the past - OS bugs, buggy apps, OS that slows down significantly after one year, dropped texts, dropped calls, dropped voicemails, the list goes on.
Android (in my experience) was incredibly unreliable. Ever since getting an iPhone I haven’t had any of those issues.
I have apple products, including an iPhone. I was a lifelong android user who switched recently due to just wanting a phone that works. I always had issues with getting mobile hotspots to work and other small issues with android. With my iPhone things just work. I agree that the locked in environment is a bit restrictive but I'm willing to accept that for the peace of mind having it all set up brings.
I don't text, so the iMessage blue bubble thing is really not a deal for me. It just worked out right for me to go apple and I haven't really regretted it.
My fiance favouring apple over android is certainly a character flaw, but ultimately one I'm willing to overlook.
We use FB messenger to communicate, anyway, so I don't think phone OS has much impact.
Please, I beg of you, switch to Signal. Don’t let Zuck datamine your relationship for profit.
I use and collect Apple products all the time.
Anyone who makes any kind of stink about some sort of perceived superiority is a fucking moron and you shouldn’t give them the time of day
Doesn't really matter to me what device my friends use. But as someone who likes to try apps and different configurations, as well as FOSS, using an Apple device is a deal-breaker for me.
I've never met someone like this but have heard its a thing for some.
I live in a country where the dollar value of iPhone makes them more of a luxury item, sought by people of means or by hipsters.
Most people here tend to communicate via WhatsApp. People with iPhones probably discriminate others for many other reasons before even reaching the bubble color for messages, so they self-select out of the lives of most people.
I’ve found in my experience that texting android folks from my iPhone usually ends up with some sort of text delivery issue. Which can be both iPhone and androids fault by not playing nice with one another, most likely Apple being elitist fuckers BECAUSE of the blue/green bubble superiority war
that's so interesting. i had no idea. i have an iphone but i use another text message app and so no one sees my blue bubble... i don't even give out the iphone number anymore.
I have an iPhone and I would happily make the change to Android. They’re both great right now. Just be sure to pick a good Android phone. I believe that’s the problem to so much people.
Not for the ones you should date
I’d imagine not
Deal breaker, not at all. Though, back when I had an iPhone I knew immediately I'd have to have another "Which of the five messaging apps will I need to preen through" conversations, since iPhone users in the US fall back on iMessage mostly.
Now, on the flip-side, what was extremely annoying about using the fruit device was assumptions others made about me in techie circles. Some of which appeared within these responses. That I was tech illiterate, vain, or a fan-boy of some sort. It simply did what I needed while carrying wonderful resale value and support times.
Excuse me. i don't know what i'm saying but i havent had any green or blue bubbles yet in my life. i guess you're referring to apple's messenger? i don't like that term, but i think people who just believe in iphones (without thinking any further) are sheep. you get nice cloud services, a clean ecosystem and colored bubbles, but little to none control over your device, privacy and a skewed perspective on other people. Idk. Just don't let your phone define you and your friends. I won't. And i won't accept friends who define friendship by the operating system on somebodys phone.
I believe it’s because green text messages used to function worse. It used to be that images and videos were lower quality and you couldnt react to txts.
Now green texts are more up to par with data driven messaging apps. I don’t know if people realize that yet or not. Also, unfortunately, of course there were people that it was a status issue. I don’t understand that.
I use the apps bluebubbles and airmessage on android to send imessages via a mac mini I have.
It’s not so much as a deal breaker. The green bubbles means you’re using regular text, hence in some countries, there may be big charges as opposed to blue which is kind of like your regular instant messaging where it’s free as long as you have wifi or data.
In this day and age, the elephant in the room is sadly, the blue bubble.
I can see why people would be annoyed. Y family is heavily invested in the Apple/iCloud side of things. And having all our phones work together in the same environment is so much less of a headache vs. a mix of apple, android.
Idk why you're downvoted, you're right. I mean, I know why you're downvoted – they aren't able to separate the corporation trying their hardest to lock people into their walled garden from the corporation's victims (in lack of a less dramatic word 🫠)
SMS sucks. That's the real issue. The fact that an Android user being present in a group chat drags the chat's feature set back down to SMS level is what people are reacting to. (Fortunately, iOS 17 will fix this, at least for the iOS users in the group chat).
Having it be a friendship deal-breaker is childish, though.
I understand it can give some girls the ick. Try not to let them see your phone.
I have an iPhone... For me if I see the green bubbles that means that the messages are SMS which is insecure and antiquated. I use iMessage and Signal because they are more secure and allow for sending rich media like photos and videos without worrying about MMS and SMS. I have massive amounts of data, why the heck would I use SMS to send messages? It has nothing to do with hating Android, it's more to do with SMS being hot garbage.
To clarify, if you only have SMS, that's fine I don't care and it doesn't affect our relationship, but given the choice I will always default to an end to end encrypted messengers.
Dude… let it go. Seriously. You’re clearly trying to drum up some drama. It doesn’t matter what people use. It doesn’t effect you at all. They will use what they want, and you will use what you want.
And I’ve read that post. You’re fishing from conflict there as well, but most of the responses were well thought out reasons for using the product- you just didn’t like/agree with them. So now you’re here trying again.
If you have such a hate-boner for apple, don’t use apple.
Deal with it.
He's just asking if other people see the same thing as him? Where is he causing drama?
He’s asked twice in two different posts and clearly shows a bias towards android phones both in his posts and in the comments.
He’s just stirring a pot that should have been emptied back in 2008.
I have friends who, against better counsel, have android phones, and the group texts were forever breaking. I finally brokered a deal for us to use Signal, which has been great. So (1) Android users in a group text on iPhone is a super pain in the ass, and (2) If everyone's using Signal, it's cool.
I'm very confused about the 'better counsel' part. Do you actually believe that iphones are a better phone?
Conspicuous consumerism. Having an iPhone makes people think they have status.
Yeah, what are they actually getting that's arguably better to justify switching your entire ecosystem over for? Android and iOS have close enough feature parity that it's really up to use choice at this point
Against better counsel huh? You know apple is the sole reason your group chats can't work without a third party app yeah?
What is the downside of group mms aside from blueness?
I can't think of anything, I just recently finished my 2 year stint with an iphone and never saw issues with groups no matter which phone they had.
Absolutely definitely yes.
In high school and continuing into university, everyone would play the iMessage/Snapchat games that only work with iOS. The few Android users, including me, were 2nd class citizens.
Using Android has absolutely cost me several potential friendships and looking back I genuinely should've spent the money and bought the inferior iPhone.
