Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according t…
Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.
Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.
Doesn't matter, over half won't be voting. Even less than normal if GOP state legislatures do away with mail in ballots or automatic mailed request forms from COVID times.
Yeah these polls always being in terms like "registered voters" or "likely voters". Where as they really should poll "eligible to vote" instead to get full picture of the societal political mood situation.
I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.
It's certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
Ok, so we need to force the system to change outside of its normal paths of power to have choices. No one thinks this time existed, everyone understands the current situation is bad.
Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the--let me check my notes here: oh, right--Nazis in the other party hadn't sued to prevent him from giving away money.
I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks' first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
Maybe pay attention to what's actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.
Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.
Anyone who thinks he's senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O'Brien's podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I've ever seen Trump.
This...just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.
Yeah people catastrophise so badly when it comes to politics. Biden is bland, uninspired and gaff-prone - however, he is a safe pair of hands. Just because a politician does not make you excited does not mean they suck.
I mean ... he does. He's not as bad as he's made out to be on most domestic issues, keeping in mind the limited power of the presidency and the fact congress holds the majority of the power. But he's too fucking old. He's made mistakes, and handling Israel with kid gloves is a problem.
I'm still voting for him because:
The alternative is a fascist takeover of the government
It gives us 4 years to push for change, elect leftists, and organize in an environment where were fascists don't hold overwhelming power.
In 4 years he'll fucking leave office on his own accord. Donald Trump (or his stand-in) absolutely won't.
I don't think he will get removed from the ballots, at least not in current state. I feel like the argument is going to be the presumption of innocence until proven guilty; an indictment is unfortunately premature. We need to apply the law equally or we'll get Republicans finding every way to do the same... albeit with no arguments for it.
I'd rather have Biden lose to Nikki Haley instead of Trump. Yes, I know she's a legacy Tea Party candidate, I don't want her, but at least she isn't campaigning on ethnic cleansing and actually criticized R bullshit like TC&J.
him and his vice got in office and immediately went back on campaign promises for cannabis, police reform, women's rights, voter rights everything went to the shitter just like trump
now here we are AGAIN
and people screaming just vote HOW? not everyone has that right thanks to politicians like biden
Seems like he's only went back on one campaign promise so far. He's compromised on a few, he's working on a third, got stalled on a third and has kept roughly a third.
Brother there's a mile wide difference between "couldn't keep campaign promises" and "literally running on a platform of 'i will be a dictator for the first day'"
The alternative is a traitor who wants to be a dictator, who paice nazis..... everything points for him to be a nazi, just tell.me, why that nazi traitor is a better alternative?
Biden has stood with the majority of the Democrats on almost every issue. If the Democrats overwhelmingly wanted to not fund Israel, he would probably stand by them. Unfortunately, most Democrats back Israel even more than Biden.
The saving grace is that Biden wants to avoid the war turning regional, making him not favor genocide done quickly. Israel can't kick out Palestinians, as its neighbors will attack over the refugees. If Israel directly kills too many Palestinians, the neighbors will also attack. To not get dragged into a war, Biden wants the IDF to occupy Gaza and cause less collateral damage.
However, Netanyahu doesn't want the war to deescalate, as the public will kick him and his party out once things settle down. He also doesn't want the casualties and cost of occupying all of Gaza, as there would be more IDF fatalities. Reservists were already upset at Bibi, and if they took large enough casualties, even the military might not back him. His best option for maintaining power is to genocide Gaza and hope their neighbors don't attack.
The US isn't willing to withdraw support from Israel and actually motivate them to stand down. The Judeo-fascists are arrogant fools who think the US deterrent will keep them safe, but they're playing with fire. If they directly piss off Hezbollah enough, or if they force refugees into Jordan and Egypt, or if they escalate with other Iranian backed forces, or if anyone makes a stupid blunder, everyone will pay in blood.
Biden is literally trying to destroy the future. He has personally approved many new fossil fuel extraction sites including a pipeline that climate scientists have dubbed a climate time bomb
Which is why republicans are trying so hard to push the idea of not being able to vote until you're much older.
cause they want to cut off the youth vote, because they'd rather disenfranchise tens of millions and get rid of democracy than risk having to change their positions.
It's like preferring a slice of unbuttered slightly stale bread, to a literal dogshit on a stick, being waved around by others with shit all over their faces, knowing that if they eat enough, you'll have to eat double.
Not all polls are meaningless. But there are a ton of meaningless polls that get an inordinate amount of attention. And I believe the overall goal of that is to make people think they're all meaningless.
I don't think that is true. It's like saying you don't like a Honda Accord because Ferraris exist. Sure you want everything, but you'll still appreciate the Accord over the Nike Express.
If Biden were to drop out there's a long list of people who really don't have the clout to galvanize a winning coalition on such short notice. The list of people who do and could win is one person long:
I read an article earlier this week that actually explains this. They had a result that young people preferred Trump to Biden -- but when they narrowed in on likely voters, it flipped to Biden. They noted that the individuals who preferred Trump tended to not vote in 2020.
Make of this what you will. I'm not entirely sure myself how to interpret this.
Biden is not an awful person. He is a person who has spent a lifetime in politics and high office and has a long record to pick away at. People tend to forget that politics is the art of the possible. People who never compromise are radicals, like the Tea Party people, for example. It makes no sense to bitch about the radicals on the right and then denigrate the centrist. If you have specific criticisms, fine that's fair, but just summing Biden up as "an awful person" is both unwarranted and naive about the nature of politics.
Regardless of how you feel about the candidates the important thing is to actually vote. Going around and saying "well they both suck" doesn't help anyone.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
Always vote, even if the news or anyone else tells you the candidate you want is a sure thing, vote even if the candidate you don't want seems like a shoe-in.
Hillary vs trump was the first election in which I could vote, but I refrained on account of not wanting to vote for a giant douche or a shit sandwich. I will never make that mistake again...
I'm not a Biden fan, but I voted for him last election and will eagerly do so again this next cycle.
I also want to point out that the gap between the "lesser of two evils" has turned into the Grand fucking Canyon following trump's attempts to overthrow our government to remain in power, and platforming on literal fascism...
It's a vote for democracy or neonazi fascism. Period.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
I'm no longer entertaining this perspective since people like you never have anything bad to say about people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. A vote for Biden in the primaries was a vote specifically made to fuck over progressive and leftist efforts. You've got endless energy available to lecture us but none for the people who fucked us over? Pound sand.
you're being forced to accept that your politics don't align with most of your fellow citizens.
I think younger people are being forced to accept their politics don’t align with most of their fellow citizens who vote and have money. Statistically this means older citizens.
If there’s anything good coming out of the last two presidential elections I think it’s that younger citizens are becoming more active and galvanizing them to vote and be heard.
It's wild how many YouGov polls hit the front page of Lemmy. Regardless if you like the results or not, the polls are worthless trash that means nothing.
Biden is a great president and best panacea to the ugliness of current politics. Feel free to not like him though. Nothing against polls but it is still far out so even as a Biden supporter I'm not going to wave this poll around like I'm Dean Phillips.
One of the political sites I frequent that keeps track of polling data has a phrase they repeat often "in politics, a week of a long time." It means that a week from now, some scandal or major local/national/world event could occur and the polls from now could be useless.
And if a week is a long time, then 11 months before the election is forever. You might as well poll for DeSantis vs Newsom in 2028. It would be just about as accurate.
By November, there are a lot of factors that could change which could alter the polling figures/voting results. Maybe Trump is convicted. That could drive people away from him or it could strengthen the right as they flock to him to "save" their leader. Maybe once Biden is the official nominee (as opposed to virtually the only candidate officially recognized by the party), Democrats will flock back to him or maybe people will follow through on their threats and refuse to vote in 2024. Maybe in 11 months, Biden will be boosted by a booming economy or maybe something will happen to cause a crash that pulls his numbers down. Maybe the situations in Israel, Ukraine, the border, etc will change to boost or hurt Biden's numbers.
And this is just stuff we know about now. For all we know, the headlines in October of 2024 could be about some major event that we have no clue about now. For example, the headlines in December 2019 were not about a global pandemic. If I was typing this in December 2019, "Trump will be hurt by his response to a global pandemic that shuts down nearly everything" would not have been in my listings."
If Biden is down in the polls in September or October, I'll worry, but I'm not going to worry about polls in December 2023.
He is, unfortunately for his polling, a chief executive that is more involved in production than brand loyalty or celebrity. He's been in government so long he understands how things get done, what he has the power to move, and what he does not. Tilting at windmills is how you fire up a base but it achieves nothing in practical terms. He's a tortoise in a world of hares.
What surprises me is that the pollsters managed to find young voters. Anyone under 35 probably doesn't answer their phone unless they know the number, and they don't even have landlines to call from a published list. This was a web-based survey, which sounds rather self-selecting already.
53% is not disastrous. In polling that isn't head-to-head, that's a landslide victory. It means that no consolidation of any other options will beat the majority. Trump is at 24%, and the rest is scattered with people that are more likely to tip their vote to Biden or not vote.
Won't bother implies that it's an easy thing to do, but this isn't true of many underprivileged people. Next election will only be worse as restricting people's waterbottle access and eliminating polling stations had just begun during the midterms and hadn't been tested on the biggest scale elections yet.
Except they have been, on a state by state basis, which is really the only legal way besides amending the US Constitution, which won’t happen on this issue.
Biden has double the support with youth Trump has.
But one has to wonder where the other % are, not speaking their mind because they have someone with them that requires them to support the other guy or just don't want to go on the record with anything regardless. (and this goes both ways, teens not dare to say they would vote Bidden because the people with them are MAGAts or people that would vote Trump, but are scared to say out loud because they know full well their peers don't agree).
No one on the planet is overwhelming supporting him. The only question if if Trump is scarier. There is no sane reason why DNC won't put forward a better candidate. Why would Biden cling to power and senility instead of bowing out for health reasons. It's Ruth Bader all over again.
Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
A New York Times/Siena College poll released Tuesday showed Trump ahead of Biden by 6 points among registered voters under 30.
Biden and Trump are the current front-runners for the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively.
Recent polls have indicated Biden’s popularity is waning slightly as Trump’s ticks up.
The incumbent held a mostly consistent lead over Trump for the first several months of the year, until mid-September.
The Economist/YouGov poll surveyed 1,336 registered voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.
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That fact alone could still cause a major backlash. The GOP is absolutely readying bad faith attack ads about the lack of a democratic primary. (In reality neither party has allowed an incumbent president to be primaried in decades) They're already running FUD about it, hoping it goes viral.
Meh I reckon Boden at least chills, he knows that the US ain't got shit to prove, they just do whatever they do and try not accidentally sell guns to too many of the wrong people lol
biden the man who helped take voting rights away, did not defend women's rights or anyone's bodily autonomy (why would this catholic defend abortion rights anyways), first day as president went back on campaign promises and fired cannabis users, promised national police reform and did nothing look at Georgia's cop city, minimum wage was a campaign promise that went nowhere
and as soon as you bring this up you get labeled as a trump lover and vilified
this country is totally fucked and is disuniting more by the day just look at the states rights issue federal law is going away in favor of what fifty individual states want to do
well the other guy has rallies where they chant "kill f*ggots, kill all transgenders" so show me a meaningful alternative that doesn't require a full overhaul of both the electorate and the electoral system by next November or I'm voting for Biden
There's a concept in software development called 'shift-left', it means the best time to make meaningful changes and fix problems is as early in the development cycle as possible. The same concept is true in politics. If you're not voting or participating in state/municipal elections, primaries, etc. then you're gonna be stuck with whoever ends up on the 'major' ballots at the end of the cycle.
The presidential election is essentially the 'last resort' and the reality of the situation is that your options are now limited to 2 people who actually have a chance of winning.
So, do you vote for someone who is
Actively trying to harm people
The person who doesn't do all the things you want, but isn't actively trying to tear the country apart, or,
Some rando
The first option is obviously bad, and the third is no different than not voting, and not voting is essentially a vote in favour of the person you want least to win.
What do you do? You vote for the lesser of two evils and get 4 more years to make an impact in the elections that are actually important.