[September 2024] JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms

stfu, leftist extremists had one fucking chance to stop this from happening but they got fucking greedy.

now we all have to pat the price.

Here is the share of global arms export per country.

Germany, Italy and the UK are also big exporters but still behind France.

Germany sells to KSA and the likes, now a lot is going to ukraine.

Their own equipment is unmaintained pile of trash due to US having 40k troops deployed there. Although maybe that is finally changing.

Europe is about to experience what africa and south america have been experiencing for decades.

Buckle up.

I get the same feeling, too. They’re just looking for an excuse to ditch Europe - perhaps as a sacrifice to Putin.

I'd be amazed if he does any of it tbh. Last time he just spent most of it playing golf, and sticking his goofy-ass signature on anything they stick in front of him.

The last thing they want to do is actually deal with the boogeyman issues. If they did that they'll have nothing to campaign on next time.

Most of this will be spent lining their own pockets.

If I recall correctly countries can't withdrawl from the UN without their approval

Problem is though that the un-united dystopia of america could cause issues in the UN

Didn't congress make it practically impossible to pull out of nato now?

The US pulling out of the UN would allow them to pass all sorts of cool stuff, like recognizing and admitting Palestine and calling for a ceasefire, recognizing the universal rights of children, and condemning the far-right, all of which the US used its veto power to stop against overwhelming support on the other side.

The EU has by now significantly outpaid the US, and out-supported the US in Ukraine. However, for historical reasons, it lacks certain items which Ukrainians badly need (tactical ballistic missiles and anti-missile defense, to bring good examples).

On the matter of aircraft, I should especially emphasize that EU countries have given fighter aircraft, but the US has not. The US is currently attempting to get through the bureaucracy of approving a Swedish AWACS aircraft (with some US components) going to Ukraine.

Educate thyself here, military people use this resource and approve of it:

https://protectukrainenow.org/en/report

Oh dear, spilled koolaid all down your straight jacket

You offended a bunch of Germans here. Don't forget the Americans are sitting in Germany mostly to bomb Syrian kids though, they're not defending Europe from anything.

It'll be the 25th amendment.

The fun part will be watching Trump and his maga cult fight it, cope with it, and eventually come to terms they have been grifted.

So, NATO had a problematic operation, trying to establish (and coordinate the establishment of) guerilla stay-behind troops to use in the event of Soviet takeover - and the operation went especially problematic in Italy during the Years of Lead, where some of those guys associated with right-wing terrorists. The year was 1969 or so.

Basing on this, how do I conclude anything about the NATO of today?

Disclaimer: I was asked to hold an anti NATO speech during a protest event during a NATO summit. Being a moderately honest anarchist, I held a speech denouncing the practises seen in Afghanistan (the year was 2012), but emphasized that collective self defense is a valuable thing to have (a common attitude here in Eastern Europe), and added that if the alliance would bother doing what it says on the sticker, I would support it.

NATO is an alliance of various countries. Some of them aren't nice or democratic (classic example: Turkey). Mixed bag, and constantly changing. Membership in NATO is not a letter of indulgence for a member state to do anything - allies are obliged to help only if someone attacks a member state. If a NATO member attacks someone else, allies can ignore the affair or even oppose the member (example: Turkey recently bombed Kurdish troops in Syria so sloppily that threatened US troops shot down a Turkish drone).

You wanting the same thing JD Vance wants should trigger a warning in your brain before you say anything else.

I like how you say this and your instance is "sh. It just works"

We laugh at this, but I suspect someone on trumps team has seen this and thought " OMG it's so easy!"

I think we have one free chair left after UK, so...

Pretty please svp

Very much this.

Just look at the TPP. The US tried to write the rules and the rest of the partners said, "No." The US said, "Screw you guys, we're going home!" and stormed off in a snit assuming the deal would fall apart without them but it didn't and it ended up being better without the US imperialist bullshit. Then, US farmers realized that they were getting fucked because the US wasn't part of the deal ([1], [2], [3]) and the US came back demanding to be let in and the US imperialist bullshit restored to the agreement. Once again the partnerd said, "No".

Let's let the US leave whatever they want to leave, renegotiate everything without them, then only let them return under the new terms. The world will be a much better place in the end.

EDIT: Trump ordered the US to withdraw from the TPP because the partners wouldn't be bullied into accepting one-sided andi-competitive, anti-consumer protections for US industry and a dispute resolution process that favoured the US but that the US would ignore when it lost.

This is the absolute weirdest thing about Trump's governance to me: how sometimes he ends up doing good things for terrible reasons, like when the US redeployed from Syria.

Just curious, I left all my tech savvy in 2008. How is blocking Twitter any different from just not using it?

They don't need to do that, feds already have access to all of your banking information.

Oh nooooooo! The poor tax payer helping secure the planet he lives on. How tragic!

The US WANTS to be in those bases because it gives them a lot of soft power in foreign relationships, and a base to project power in the part of the world.

If the US gives up NATO, you can also kiss goodbye to any sort of influence on the European countries decision making, as well as any resemblance of military logistic in that part of the world (as well as any sales of military equipment to European countries as it's starting to happen, with many countries investing in their own military industrial complexes). This is why in the past 50 years, regardless of the party, every single US president supported NATO regardless of spendings. It took a moron to say they want out

Most EU countries have been demilitarizing for 30 years more and more, with the strategy being "it's a new world without wars, and also big daddy USA will protect us,l

That's not the Europe I see now and sounds like a US President trope. I would agree that post-Cold War that was the case, but I'd say in the last decade at least, it's not.

But, genuine question as I'm open to being wrong, saved this is an area that interests me, do you have sources for this?

Britain has in no way done an exit. Going out of a trade and economic union has nothing to do with their military commitments.

Humanity is lovely, it's politicians I struggle with.

Freedom of speech only applies against the government. Private companies are free to throw you off their platforms for any reason or no reason at all.

Also threaten to pull broadcast licenses for any news agency that looks at you with squinting eyes. Yay freedom of speech.

🤨... You ever heard of a place called China?

Yeah, but you just distract the idiots with "illegal" immigrants, and abortion, and perceived "enemies within", etc. etc.

It works every single time.

Does cheering on the Nazis make you feel good about yourself?

Maybe they both die and we get Mike Johnson!

Vance is also directly out Peter thiel pocket or other areas around their crotch

Downward angle is increasing significantly now though, I'd imagine

could be used for social welfare systems

For needy billionaires, maybe.

You don't run a global empire by closing down strategic assets... There is zero indication US is going this way.

US gonna Empire the best we can do it provide some checks on this degeneracy so we don't end up in another Iraq or Afghanistan because some brain dead idiots trying to turn a buck on a tragedy.

my state is already sucking his balls like last time :(