Except when it's that thin and crappy, some of it's going to break off no matter how much you use.
You can use a lot of it to make the company spend more money refilling, sure, but you can't do a decent wipe with that crap, pun intended, no matter what you do with it.
I don’t see why it makes any difference whether it’s two-ply coiled 50 times around the roll, or one-ply coiled 100 times around the roll.
I actually prefer a handful of one ply. It’s soft and there are more gaps between the plys which makes your handful puffier. You just have to take a longer piece. If that extra effort results in people conserving over time: great.
This toilet paper is less and saving money on toilet paper and more about saving money on plumbing.
The nice multiply, soft booty hole paper doesn't break down as easily in the pipe. In your house this isn't always a problem, there are few people shitting and wiping there, and the distance to the street is relatively small. It can be a problem, if you're a heavy wiper on an old house using Charmin, but most of the time it's a non issue.
In an office building it's a different story. Hundreds of people on multiple floors, with someone practically always shitting. And the cost to even call a plumber to an office building starts at 4 figures for a cheap visit, with the affected stall down for days. If the entire bathroom isn't closed.
So, yes, the 1/3rd ply paper sucks, it's absolutely about saving money, just not on the paper.
What always gets me when I see paper like this, is just how much manpower, engineering time, experimentation, materials science, and just sheer concerted effort went into making paper this fucking thin and useless.
I like how the dispensers roll holder is always too tight so it over tensions and breaks the paper and the elasticity sends it back up and around the top of the roll. Then you have to pull the roll through by pushing up against it at the same time to get it back out but you go the wrong way so you reverse and then there’s too much length so that when it comes free it’s too long and it touches the ground. So you break it off and throw it away and start again, pulling the roll only for it to over tension and snap again
This is the raw material real toilet paper is made of. Similarly, you could also buy sewing thread to make your own rope. Not the most practical idea really, but it is possible.
You mean to tell me that a company that engaged in red scare marketing is now engaged in hyper-capitailist behaviour to fuck their consumers to make a buck? The shock.
I buy single ply for home and use more of it but that's the beauty of it. Buying something like Cottonelle is going to be miserable on the pipes at home. You can use more single ply but because it isn't meant to be used like a paper towel, you can still flush it and trust it to break down appropriately. We have bidets installed on all the toilets too.
Oh look, it's "using 3x as much toilet paper than normal because management wanted to save money so they got worthless toilet paper that only costs half as much as regular".
When I worked at a grocery store, we had very cheap paper towels to absorb messes, and had to use a ton of them to actually clean up a mess. This is the part I never understood, you cheap out on the paper, now I have to use way more. Likely a multiple higher than how much cheaper it is. It's only cheaper to buy, it's very shortsighted.
Eventually they wised up and got us real, good paper towels. We used way, way less, and interestingly we only had good paper towels from that point forward.
Edit: Can't forget to mention the extra labor costs with more time spent cleaning up a mess!
Checks out against every time a company tried to cheap out. But then, they also do not care because by the time it matters the decision makers have moved on. With bonuses!😟
If bidets became commonplace, it would reduce the need for toilet paper greatly! Ask me, I know! Got one for $40.00 from Amazon, attached in minutes. Best thing since sliced bread
If you have a newer home, it only involves removing the water feed line to your toilet tank (turn water at shut-off valve first) and installing the hose to the bidet. It is very simple process as long as your toilet and home is not too old. When parts are old and corroded from time, it can be a bit more involved. Check out YT for "do it yourself" vids.
Yes it involves plumbing, but just barely. It's super easy. Everything screws in with no more than a simple wrench. There is no soldering, cutting, specialized tools, or anything like that. If you can screw and unscrew the cap on a soda bottle, you can do this.
Just one? I got a 2 pack for $40. They've been installed since March with zero issues. And single ply works just fine at home because I don't feel like completely wrecking the plumbing in our house built in 1936. If you really have a problem with single ply, might I suggest you re-evaluate how well you're washing your hands?
So ... don't you need paper to dry off? How do you keep from spraying water everywhere and getting your clothes wet? Forgive my cluelessness, but I've often wondered how it works.
yes, you do need a small amount of TP to dry off. The spray is narrow and precise it aims pretty naturally to the right "place". Over spray has never been a problem with clothing in my experience.
It really is a wonderful invention.
You say that but I feel like we're only a couple years from seeing automated TP dispensers that dole out tightly-rationed squares.
Won't that mean everyone is walking around with shitty assholes, you might ask... And yes, yes I think it will. Which would make it sound impossible, until I tell you that corporations could reduce TP costs and improve their profits by 0.0001%; now it practically sounds like a shareholder mandate!
Of course then it won't be long until TP companies triple their prices to compensate for this long on their end, but that's the fun thing about capitalism: given enough time, everyone can lose!
I've been asked to distribute the new regulations regarding office pool displays. The enclosed memo is a new subchapter of the EBGOC Procedure Manual, replacing the old subchapter entitled PHYSICAL PLANT/CALIFORNIA/ LOS ANGELES/BUILDINGS/OFFICE AREAS/PHYSICAL LAYOUT REGULATIONS/EMPLOYEE INPUT/ GROUP ACTIVITIES.
The old subchapter was a flat prohibition on the use of office space or time for "pool" activities of any kind, whether permanent (e.g., coffee pool) or one-time (e.g., birthday parties).
This prohibition still applies, but a single, one-time exception has now been made for any office that wishes to pursue a joint bathroom-tissue strategy.
By way of introduction, let me just make a few general comments on this subject. The problem of distributing bathroom tissue to workers presents inherent challenges for any
office management system due to the inherent unpredictability of usage-not every facility usage transaction necessitates the use of bathroom tissue, and when it is used, the amount needed (number of squares) may vary quite widely from person to person and, for a given person, from one transaction to the next. This does not even take into account the occasional use of bathroom tissue for unpredictable/creative purposes such as applying/removing cosmetics, beverage-spill management, etc. For this reason, rather than trying to package bathroom tissue in small one-transaction packets (as is done with premoistened towelettes, for example), which can be wasteful in some cases and limiting in other cases, it has been traditional to package this product in bulk distribution units whose size exceeds the maximum amount of squares that an individual could conceivably use in a single transaction (barring force majeure). This reduces to a minimum the number of transactions in which the distribution unit is depleted (the roll runs out) during the transaction, a situation that can lead to emotional stress for the affected employee.
However, it does present the manager with some challenges in that the distribution unit is rather bulky and must be repeatedly used by a number of different individuals if it is not to be wasted.
Since the implementation of Phase XVII of the Austerity Program, employees have been allowed to bring their own bathroom tissue from home. This approach is somewhat bulky and redundant, as every worker usually brings their own roll.
Some offices have attempted to meet this challenge by instituting bathroom-tissue pools.
Without overgeneralizing, it may be stated that an inherent and irreducible feature of any bathroom-tissue pool implemented at the office level, in an environment (i.e., building) in which comfort stations are distributed on a per-floor basis (i.e., in which several offices share a single facility) is that provision must be made within the confines of the individual office for temporary stationing of bathroom tissue distribution units (i.e., rolls). This follows from the fact that if the BTDUs (rolls) are stationed, while inactive, outside of the purview of the controlling office (i.e., the office that has collectively purchased the BTDU)-that is, if the BTDUS are stored, for example, in a lobby area or within the facility in which they are actually utilized, they will be subject to pilferage and "shrinkage" as unauthorized persons consume them, either as part of a conscious effort to pilfer or out of an honest misunderstanding, i.e., a belief that the BTDUs are being provided free of charge by the operating agency (in this case the United States Government), or as the result of necessity, as in the case of a beverage spill that is encroaching on sensitive electronic equipment and whose management will thus brook no delay. This fact has led certain offices (which shall go unnamed-you know who you are, guys) to establish makeshift BTDU depots that also serve as pool-contribution collection points. Usually, these depots take the form of a table, near the door closest to the facility, on which the BTDUs are stacked or otherwise deployed, with a bowl or some other receptacle in which participants may place their contributions, and typically with a sign or other attention-getting device (such as a stuffed animal or cartoon) requesting donations. A quick glance at the current regulations will show that placement of such a display/depot violates the procedure manual. However, in the interests of employee hygiene, morale, and group spirit-building, my higher-ups have agreed to make a one-time exception in the regulations for this purpose.
As with any part of the procedure manual, new or old, it is your responsibility to be thoroughly familiar with this material. Estimated reading time for this document is 15.62 minutes (and don't think we won't check). Please make note of the major points made in this document, as follows:
BTDU depot/displays are now allowed, on a trial basis, with the new policy to be reviewed in six months.
These must be operated on a voluntary, pool-type basis, as described in the subchapter on employee pools. (Note: This means keeping books and tallying all financial transactions.)
BTDUS must be brought in by the employees (not shipped through the mailroom) and are subject to all the usual search-and-seizure regulations.
Scented BTDUs are prohibited as they may cause allergic reactions, wheezing, etc. in some persons.
Cash poool donations, as with all monetary transactions within the U.S. Government, must use official U.S. currency-no yen or Kongbucks.
Naturally, this will lead to a bulk problem if people try to use the donation bucket as a dumping ground for bundles of old billion and trillion dollar bills. The Buildings and Grounds people are worried about waste-disposal problems and the potential fire hazard that may ensue if large piles of billions and trillions begin to mount up. Therefore, a key feature of the new regulation is that the donation bucket must be emptied every day-more often if an excessive build-up situation is seen to develop.
In this vein, the B & C people would also like me to point out that many of you who have excess U.S. currency to get rid of have been trying to kill two birds with one stone by using old billions as bathroom tissue. While creative, this approach has two drawbacks:
It clogs the plumbing, and
It constitutes defacement of U.S. currency, which is a federal crime.
DON'T DO IT.
Join your office bathroom-tissue pool instead. It's easy, it's hygienic, and it's legal.
They can get a hydrologic press, and make the paper so thin that it crystallises and then shards when bent. Don't tell people about folding, that's a veterans tip, and this is an arms race where there will be no winners.
Write an email to HR, leaving a paper trail in case they retaliate...
If they don't solve this issue, I would just go home to take a dump and come back without clocking out... If they complain, I would tell them they need reasonable toilet paper.
You might get fired for it, so I would start applying for other jobs before attempting this.
As someone with digestive issues, I would approach HR about this saying I need an accommodation under the ADA, with said accommodation being reasonably high quality toilet paper.
my company took the tp out of the bathrooms and made it available upon request when we did this. they made us ask the front desk to check out the roll of tp to deter this exact thing.
This should be against the ADA. Many Americans have Crohn's, ulcerative colitis, IBS, and other issues which make them need to use the restroom frequently. Using toilet paper of that quality quickly becomes painful and causes inflammation.
I mean when you step in shit, you don't just tissue your foot or shoe, you wash it down at the earliest opportunity. Why should it be different for butts?
I’ve first encountered one at a big mall in Thailand (Terminal 21) so it does get a bit of traffic. That was 2012, and as of 2022 they were still there, looking pretty original. They can take a beating.
I added one to the home last year. I’ll never go back to plain paper again.
I used to work in a warehouse that had toilet paper like this.
Funny thing was, it was a warehouse full of toilet paper. So there was typically a roll of something better in the bathroom, sitting on top of the dispenser.
My friends, I would like to share a story with you.
August 2023. Afternoon. I am sitting at my desk in my office. The tell tale signs of something brewing begin to make themselves known. After a time, I reluctantly acknowledge that I won't make it another 3 hours until I get home. I trudge downstairs to the less populated floor, as one does. An empty stall appears. I seat myself on the porcelain throne and an epic battle ensues. 15 minutes later the moment of dead arrives. I reach over to the dispenser and proceed to unroll.
Halfway through the standard multi-stage folding process, necessary to create something suitable for use, I pause. Something is different. This can't be right...this is...no, that's impossible. I look closer at the material in my hands. I rub it between thumb and index finger. I stare in disbelief. This is soft, comfortable, 2 ply material! Gods be praised! I proceed to give myself a royal treatment; the cleanest, most wonderful experience! I feel like a king as I wash my hands and return to my desk.
I dare not speak of this to anyone, for fear the mistake will be discovered. Over the next few weeks, I make several returns trips to the same location and am treated to the same royal cleaning. Life is good!
October. I have grown complacent in my comfort over the intervening weeks. One fateful day I make the trip downstairs, now fully expecting to do business in comfort. Post excursion I reach over, my fingers make contact with something akin to sandpaper. My hand freezes and my heart drops. The most wonderful 2 ply material is gone, replaced with the old standard rough, semi transparent tissue that always results in rectal bleeding. I curl over into a sitting fetal position and morn the loss of my comfy companion. Perhaps I shed a single tear, or cry or in pain, the memory is too traumatic to recall clearly now.
Six weeks later. Was it all a dream? Did I imagine the 2 ply material from heaven? I don't think so, but it has not returned. Maybe, against all hope, it will return in the future. Only time will tell.
TL;DR - my office had 2 ply toilet paper for a few weeks and it was the most amazing thing ever.
Just keep unrolling all of it into the toilet and flushing. Let it clog up. If management makes a stink say you have ibs or some health issue and with the tp so thin you just end up going through alot of it for medical reasons. This isnt a battle won directly or honestly. You need government backing. It needs to shift from you vs them to them vs a larger entity of power.
That is of course if this isnt in a state or place where the government has no oversight about unfair dismissal.
Is this too much for better toilet paper? No. Fuckem. Tp is cheap they are cutring corners in the wrong places. If a business cant afford standard toilet paper they have no right existing. If they are in the red but operating, they can afford tp. If they are doing good, they can afford tp. If there are bonuses going to literally any staff member, they can afford to buy tp. Theres no scenario where its ok that my fingers slip through these rice papers and i get shit under my fingernails.
If your colleague had just scooped shit under their fingernails and proceeded to literally clean the shit our of their hands for the next ten minutes, would you still feel comferable shaking their hands? Now imagine that happening to each and every one of your colleagues. Are they all gonna wash their hands for 10 minutes?
If i worked here I would take a fucking black light to the kitchen to scare the biggest karens/loadmouths jn the company. Scare the living shit out of them. Make them sick. Let THEM run to HR. Let health and safety get involved.
This is the kind of place that says we are a family but then you gotta bring your own fuckin ass wipes
You realize everyone in the office has very recently just touched their own poop. Even management cant put a positive spin on that. You need better TP.
Am I the only one around here that just wads up an adequate amount, based on thickness? Even the cheapest of toilet paper is never an issue with this method.
Traveling with school to Poland and Czechia in the late 90s we were told to always bring our own TP if using public restrooms. Not because of the quality, as much as because of the non-existence, of TP.
30 teens were rolling into Poland each with at least one roll of TP in the luggage. No one had to use it.
I work security at a college currently. The president has their own personal bathroom with their own tp. I swapped it out with the shit I gotta use more than once.
Obviously unpopular opinion, but I prefer one ply. The fluffy stuff always leaves lint which I think is pretty gross. I also find it more adjustable, like maybe I only need one square to wipe up a little toothpaste but I can also use three feet to wipe my ass.
Ok so I prefer 1-ply for the same reason on those 1000 sheet rolls, but ... look at it. One-ply isn't the issue with this tissue. This is at another level.
If I have to, over the course of three to five minutes, origami together an elaborate construct of translucent bullshit in order to get a single wipes worth of toilet paper it will ruin my fucking week. If it still fails, which it has before, I will keep the trauma in my mind for a month before I can bury it under something worse. I would wipe my ass with a shower towel if they were dispensed in appropriately sized strips.
You should give the Charmin Strong a try if you haven't. I hate the soft and fluffy ones as they leave lint like you said. I've never had an issue like that with the strong.
Only the cheap fluffy stuff leaves lint. I've got all kinds of digestive problems and I use a lot of toilet paper. I would definitely know. But I buy the good stuff (Cottonelle is the best, by the way).
We were in a hotel in Niagara Falls earlier this year and it had toilet paper like that in the room. We went out and got real toilet paper pretty quickly.
What gives, Canada? I thought you guys were better than us.
My work switched to a double ply... instantly the toilets got clogged. GM blamed it on women's sanitary products. I have half a mind to lead our own little protracted people's war against him until the plumbing gets fixed.
As a kid, I remember when the schools used to have that paper that literally was paper and on one side being shiny. Shit used to literally smear on the shiny side. I don't think it actually exists anymore.
I don’t shit at work. Now, back in the day when I had my own private bathroom in my office (luck of the draw), I never shit at home.
I got paid 5.50 an hour (was shitty money even then, but a man could eat) to shit there, and by Krishna I was gonna shit there.
One day the boss said, “I don’t pay you to poop.” And I said, “Bud, you’ve paid me for every shit I’ve taken for the last four years. I’d like to take a moment to thank you while we’re on the subject.”
reminds me seinfeld episode, where Elaine want a a square, but the woman in the other stall says "I can't spare a square. I don't have a square to spare."
I was in a group that traveled the country and stayed in school gyms over the summer. I can tell you, the worst school bathroom I had to poop in had a combination of all the worst things:
The toilet paper came out one piece at a time, like a napkin box at a restaurant but facing down. It was also this super thin ply.
The "stalls" were actually just small walls that went up to your shoulder (when sitting) and forward to your knees (when sitting).
They had a mirror running the full wall opposite the "stalls," so you had nothing to look at but the wall of dudes pooping or furiously pulling individual tissues of tp out.
AT A HIGH SCHOOL. That shit should be considered abuse. I am so sorry for anyone who had to go to that bullshit school.
Just use a massive amount and if it keeps blocking the loo then oh well when the cheap paper causes too much cost then they might look into better quality stuff.
I don't even know where they find this stuff. I've been broke as a mf joke and had to buy toilet paper from the dollar Tree, which was luxurious quality compared to this.
At least your holder is still assembled properly. People at my job take the roll holder, yank it half out of the box, and just leave it in that mangled state.
Look, I get it that it's cool to rag on a company for being cheap and short sighted but this toilet paper is not bought to save money. They know you use more. It's bought because thin toilet paper breaks down quickly in water, meaning rather than needing a plumber to wrestle your turd nest out of the pipes with a snake, they can hang an out of order sign on the stall for a shift and try flushing again once the "toilet paper" has completely dissolved.
Someone else explained this too. It's still mildly infuriating when you have to use it. Can't even pull it out without it breaking before there's enough tissue for the job because of how the dispenser is designed.
Get your coworkers to join you in using the nearest fast food restaurant whenever you need to use the restroom. When management sees everyone constantly cycling through the front door, they may get a clue.