The erasure of Luigi Mangione
The erasure of Luigi Mangione
The saga on Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange, and how tech always serves the ruling class.
Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.
When the author asked about this:
As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.
Stack being weird and toxic I'm shocked, shocked I tell you
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
“Trickle down economics only occurs when the wealthy bleed.”
Similar, and appropriate. The working class will only benefit once the wealthy are no longer wealthy.
Assigning to a number like they do prisoners.
Disgusting behaviour from Stack Overflow and the perpetrators.
we are all numbers. lemmy.ca has a user number for you, your government has a number for you, your local library has a number for you.
that is just how a digital world works.
I'm not a number, I'm a emojii!
He's user number 24601 as far as I'm concerned
694201337
Gione Valgione
probably was the internal id number, but still scummy behaviour.
As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question.
Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and "theft" no longer exists.
Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.
WOAH WOAH WOAH... hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you're not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law... we'll be keeping a close eye on you... --BB
I managed to convince my brother in law by using the wrongful death case of Kanokporn Tangsuan as an example. Framed it as his moral responsibility to never sign up for any digital media ever again since he has a family. I pointed him to a few resources to sail the high seas and he's got his high seas pc hooked up to his TV and cancelled all his subscriptions. I'm so proud.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Jfc y'all sound like magats
There is no law forcing a company to spread your message for you.
In my experience it’s usually the magats who are the ones defending asshole and/or immoral behavior by pointing out that the offender is acting within the bounds of the law or within their legal rights.
They agreed to terms when they operated under Creative Commons.
“No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago. Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact, made self evident by the treatment of Luigi and the composition of the upcoming administration and its supporters.
But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.
Culture is not our friend.
Apropos of nothing, this was an article about substance from a year ago:
Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis
Fuck substack.
Shit, this article is about stack overflow, not substack. Too early, but still fuck substack.
"Censorship forced me to flee a pro-nazi site to another pro-nazi site," is a contradiction worth noting. It highlights the general pro-nazi vibe going around big tech.
The internet just isn’t fun anymore. Right wing bigots are stomping around and the best communities are all either crumbling or raising their bridges and filling their motes so AI can’t scrape them and these asshats can’t get in, killing the ability for new people to find them. And who can blame them? They want to protect their communities from very real threats.
The internet is Balkanizing and it’s to our collective detriment.
It's about SO but on SS so you were still right!
Stopped using stack overflow ages ago because of how many assholes there are there.
I got a decade old question closed as a duplicate.
You don't want to go to Pornhub then
You'd probably get better coding advice in the comments.
I also stopped posting there years ago for much the same reason. You could feel the strangulation of the community as duplicate questions started getting shouted down, posts got turned into "community wikis" against your will and your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else's plans and ideologies. The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers. It's a shame no technology has been discovered that will let the small amount of collective good in us all work together against the assholes, but alas it seems the opposite is always true.
"How do I get this working in 22.04?"
"Previous question answers this." Tagged as best answer
"No, the previous question answers it with a method that was removed in 22.04"
silence
What's even more annoying is when their refinements end up putting an objectively wrong answer as the authoritative record.
I found a question where someone new to electronics was how to get more current from a USB power supply.
The "correct" answer that was posted before the question was closed was that a source can't limit current and the questioner should learn more about electricity.
The actual correct answer - and probably what the questioner was looking for - is to short the data lines together because a compliant USB charger will only supply 500mA by default, not it's stated max current.
The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
More likely the changes were made to improve the "saleability" of the website.
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers.
One of the promises of the internet was, supposedly, that it couldn't really be monopolized because the barriers to entry were so low. But what we've seen is the influence of the Networking Effect as a means of consolidating user bases, combined with a cartel-style censorship that limits the degree to which word-of-mouth can influence a nascent community's growth.
And now the AI comes to fully alienate us from each other, leaving even the more token communities with a "am I talking to a real person or a computer facsimile" lingering dread with each passing year.
your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else's plans and ideologies
That hits hard for me. Not that someone changed the spirit of my answer but that someone completely reworded it without my permission. It was almost like they were trying to steal my idea without running afoul of copyright or something.
It's 40% assholes People who delete "Hi," From the first line of the question Because a modicum of politeness and humanity is inefficient And don't get me started about the XY problem solvers Stack exchange gamifies rudeness and dismissiveness.
You can just ask an AI anyway since it's training set will basically just be stackoverflow.
Just tried this and the AI told me my question was a duplicate and my post was removed.
the entirety of stackoverflow is not enough data to make the AI work properly. They need terabytes of text, stackoverflow has about 50-100GB of useful data at most
By this logic, everyone charged (not convicted, just charged) should have their accounts and submissions changed in the same manner as Luigi's.
Man I sure wish this'd mean all Trump-generated content and speeches got deleted. That'd be genuinely helpful to the world at least...
Didn't he confess though? That's quite a bit different than a pending trial.
The presumption or admission of guilt does not and should not justify violating the Creative Commons License, nor perpetrating any illegal behavior agains any individual(s).
If JK Rowling went out and robbed a bank, or murdered an ex-Husband, in no world or timeline would that give a member of her publishing company the right to scratch out her name from any of her books and replace it with their own or someone else's.
That's fucking bullshit.
Censorship needs to die.
platforms like this are essentially private ownership of the commons
never out blind fate in corporations or govenments
Jean Valjean was labelled prisoner number 24601, apropos of nothing
Who is that?
Ah, a character for Les Miserables.
Why the fuck did they turn the book into a musical I can never unfortunately understand
Money. Like how the CEO who got shot turned people’s suffering into money
I enjoyed it, though I'd much prefer to watch it live.
user4616250 will now be a famous meme. "How do we fix healthcare? We call user4616250."
It’s like squid game where they identify you by a number. Long live user4616250
Anytime a CEO does something questionable; "/ping user4616250"
Do not forget me user4616250
Look down, look down You'll always be a slave Look down, look down You're standing in your grave
"He knew that man was me. Without a second glance! That Micky Ds employee spotted me. The crime stoppers bounty is his chance!
Why should I try to hide? Why should I go unkown. When I have come so far. And struggled for so long?
If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, they have won!
I am the ceo slayer that got away. They all are looking at me. How can I abandon them? How would they live. If I am not free?
If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, I am damned!
Who am I? Should not this wage slave benefit. Pretend I do not feel his agony. This innocent who can be set free.
Who else should face their judgment. Who am I? Can I conceal myself for evermore? Pretend I am the man I was before? And hide my crime until I die.
Be no more than an alibi? Must I lie?
How can I ever face my fellow men? How can I ever face myself again? My fate belongs to capitlism, I know. I made that bargain long ago. I gave them hope when hope was gone. I gave them strength to journey on.
[He appears in front of the court]
Who am I? Who am I? I'm Luigi!
[He unbuttons his shirt to reveal the scares of a botched surgery]
And so UHC, you see it's true. This man bears no more guilt than you! Who am I?
user4616250!"
A musician needs to write a catchy tune to put the name to so people will remember the numbers.
0118 999 881 999 119 725... 3
"calling user 461-62-50, he's our dude, what he does is nifty!" :)
Get Vikas Music, he's based enough to put it to eurobeat.
I suggest these guys
I was thinking tattoo...
Moat famous number since 24601
Please let it be, haha
Righteous censorship, got it.
Can’t have a “terrorist” demonstrating his competence and productivity after all.
The overlords know they’ve really fucked up when the competent, productive people start getting resentful and side-eyeing the system.
Righteous censorship is only "righteous" because everyone else is prevented from saying otherwise.
I cross posted this to Hacker News (which is very pro-CEO and big corpo) and it's now rank 1 on the front page, lmao. People really support this guy
(And it's funny because in the comments, people are seething "Nooooo he's not popular, look at these polls that show he has 13% approval!!")
(Not sharing link to avoid brigade)
Hackers
Pro CEO and Pro Corporate
What fuckery is this?
Live too long and become a villain
Lmao it has 3x as many votes as anything else on HN but the moderated pushed it all the way down to page 3 (position 60-something when I just checked).
Even if the 13% number were accurate - that's a pretty damning number. 13% of people supporting someone for gunning down a CEO in cold blood is terrifying to CEOs.
That's not 13% hating them. That's 13% of people celebrating someone for killing them. No lawsuits. No trials. Just gunning them down in the streets. Things have gotten really bad when you have that much of the population actively supporting your murder.
If billionaires were protected as we protect children in schools, we’d literally run out billionaires in a month.
The submission has been clearly penalized by hn moderators: Posted 3h ago, upvoted >600 times with almost 500 comments, ranking 23rd on the front page. Ranking first currently is a submission with 80 upvotes, posted 1h ago.
"Look at our corporate polls! Stop liking him!"
They're scared of Luigi still, got it
Fucking terrified. I've never seen corpos circle their wagons like this before. It's hilarious.
No, they're terrified of us now, they know we tasted blood and are hungry for more.
I know I am. I'm so sick of this system they've created and perpetuated for decades/centuries. I just want to live my fucking life without worrying about basic needs, or how someone with most can take even more from those who have little. Americans have more guns per capita than almost anywhere else. Those are guns in the hands of the people, not mercs or armies or private security. They should be afraid of us. They should be checking their car's undercarriage daily before getting in. They should vary their routes daily to avoid patterns. They should see every person on the street as a potential assassin. Only THEN, will anything about these parasites' attitudes change.
Unfortunately, so many with the skills to engage in revolution are aligned with the interests of these corporate leeches, and thus are fighting the masses, instead of standing with them. They wanted a Civil War #2, it's time to kick up, not down!
thanks for this revelation. I'm going to look down the rabbit hole for myself. what a story if his account is true.
On Stack Exchange, all of the contributions on the site are contributed under a license maintained by a third party called Creative Commons [...] the work remains properly attributed.
This is the main issue IMO
Yeah, I edited the post to call that out specifically
What can Stack Overflow's motivation possibly be to strip Luigi's account? Are their private equity owners in cahoots with health insurance executives?
It's pretty standard when a highly-publicized murder suspect's online profiles are discovered. Platform admins will typically disable/hide their accounts from the public while investigations/trials are ongoing. This is hardly unique to Luigi.
I'm starring this cause I want to look into this myself, and if I find any technical sources that address this claim and actually detail this as a SOP, I'll reply with that source later, or otherwise reply with "I didn't find anything."
Do you have other examples? Because the article gave an example of a similar account that was not anonynized like this. Sure, accounts are often taken down, but the content isn't left up.
Source: your ass
maybe its poisoning the ai training
Stack Overflow has been toxic for a long time already. It's one of the things that a lot of people seem pleased to see AI devour.
Time to boycott the platform!
I've read it is still well valued because people will keep asking questions there when LLM can't answer, so they remain a precious source of post LLM curated Q&A.
I haven't really had an issue with SA toxicity.
Headquarters seems to be:
70 White Lion Street, London, England, N1 9PP
To send all your angry letters too.
i have no love for brian thompson or ceos but the canonisation of a well off wealthy rich kid from a family of republicans is a bit disturbing.
He's a good example of one can be a class traitor in a good way!
Why not idolize the folks crossing over to the right side of history?
He's closer to you in class and status than Brian Thompson ever was. How fine a comb do you want to use to divide us? Where's the line?
this who you're defending when you attack Luigi's character.
just making sure you're getting the whole picture in view for everyone to see.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/slain-healthcare-ceos-life-airbrushed
Stack Overflow fucking sucks, it's dead.
Just like Brian Thompson yahooooooooo
😄🎉💀
What's the replacement?
The next thing seems to be the discord (or any instant messenger ) channel for the project. That's my wild guess. I don't like it but looks like people are shifting from the web to instant communicators, so the knowledge is not perserved.
Thanks AIIf you're on Lemmy then you're not gonna like the answer... It's ChatGPT.
Is there a mirror for Stacks content? I've been concerned for some time that they are a vital resource that a corporation could ruin at any moment.
You can download pretty much all of stackoverflow as ZIM files for self-hosting.
I've looked into this but they aren't exactly small, it's not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format.
I was thinking we need something along the lines of a read only public mirror run by the proper open source community - e.g. SourceForge or a major Linux project.. ISP's and universities offer mirrors of Linux packages so this could be a resource offered in the same vein. That's my line of thinking as far as a StackOverflow mirror goes anyway!
Stack Overflow seems to be doing a prompt job of that already
Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
Inspector Javert aah behaviour.