Bernie Sanders doubles down that people are ‘angry’ with Dems after Pelosi said she didn’t ‘respect’ his remarks

As a Democrat, even I’m sick of Pelosi’s shit.

They would rather fail than listen sacrifice corporate donations

Oh there’ll be elections. Just like Russia has elections, and Cuba.

No, I would say an over reliance on mainstream media certainly hurts them, but their messaging still sucks. Just to go with examples Bernie provided here, how do you think the Democrats message that the economy is doing just great resonates with the 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, the 25% of elderly people who need to eke out a living on $15,000 a year or less, or the 20 million Americans working for less than $15/hour? It's a slap in the face to all of them. Messaging is not just getting the message out, but sending the right messages, and the Democrats whiffed hard on that front. They need to do some serious self-reflection and make some drastic changes to both the structure of the party and its platform if they want to do anything more than win the odd election for a single term when the GOP oversteps itself. Pelosi and the old ghouls that support her should all be kicked to the curb.

Honestly I think this is huge. I'm nowhere as old as these dinosaurs but even I'm surprised that people get "news" and info from podcasts and such. Mainly because any old jackass could prattle on about whatever without a single lick of knowledge but..

That appears to be the case though.

Conservative democrats are republicans. The dems made their tent so big that it has lost all meaning. I dont recall dem politicians ever going to the right of repubilcans in the past. It would have seemed impossible. Biden/Harris normalized it.

If this is the political reality, then it's the political reality that must be adapted to.

Centrists would rather lose.

I won’t be shocked if he’s working on organizing a whole new political party that’s going to eventually supplant the Democratic Party altogether.

I don't know how such a thing could ever happen, but I never thought where we are today could happen, so what do I know?

This was my thought as well.

Sorry to hear it. Sometimes the dogpile is real.

She's good at holding her own. Too bad her own is neo liberal garbage and self enrichment.

The Democrats win on policy, but they're horrible at rhetoric.

The main thing she's known for is rampant unabashed insider trading. If that isn't enriching herself then I don't know what is.

Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.

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Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.

Are we playing the "it's her spouse who is the stock investor" game?

https://www.newsweek.com/how-nancy-pelosi-net-worth-vastly-increased-while-house-speaker-1762361

Because if this is how one accumulates wealth, it certainly sounds like it's "off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor."

D.C.-based nonprofit OpenSecrets.org estimated Pelosi's net worth at $115 million in 2020, a rise of $41 million since 2004 - the first year OpenSecrets began tracking members' personal finances.

Paul Pelosi's company, Financial Leasing Services, has been highly successful in its investments in recent years and those investments have included shares in major firms such as Disney, Amazon and Google.

The New York Post estimated that the Pelosis had made between $5.6 million and $30.4 million between 2007 and 2020 through capital gains and dividends from investments in five tech companies - Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft - based on public disclosures.

It's like being Cassandra, the Greek seer who can see the future but is cursed to forever be not believed.

progressives are already 8% of voters. We can make or break elections now.

What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.

Yes. But it can be any group of voters. Could be a 'tea party on the left'.

Lmao buddy. Ignoring the people to the left is how you literally just lost an election

Sorry, but losing strategies deserve to lose. Im tired of voting for someone because they’re slightly less bought and paid for.

If two partys are not representing my interests at all, the winning strategy is to make my vote about punishing the one that didnt represent my interests when it was in power. This way it will have to adapt to recognize my interests when it needs my vote to get back to power.

By just always voting whatever party claims to be the less evil for me, all i do is create a race to the bottom of evil, as i make sure that my vote does not need to be fought for.

These people are all whooshing hard on what you said. They can't even imagine non-scold comments anymore.

voting machines should not been trusted.

statement? question? wild random bullshit?

BlueQ.

a paper reciept for recount is an easy way to validate these machines. I'm skeptical of fully digital systems as those are harder to validate.

The DNC is controlled by delegates elected by primary voters.

I'm afraid thats not entirely true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

Also, party leadership constantly changes the rules to suit the election cycle. They are a private entity and can run primaries however they want. In the DNC vs Sanders case, they successfully argued that they can elect canddates in a smoke filled back room if they so chose, and had no legal duty to fairness or in representing the will of the voters whatsoever.

I am not postmateDumbass and can't speak for them, but Nacy Pelosi serves as a superdelegate, meaning she wasn't elected to her position in the DNC. Blaming the voters for her presence there is wrong (however, blaming the voters for electing other selfish, poor-performing delegates would be fair game to me). I would guess their frustration is with the system which created this problem. If the people aren't being heard year after year the group should be replaced by something that actually fucking works.

They're looking forward to wishing they were able to live paycheck to paycheck...

She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.

Nope. Her plan was "I am going to lower taxes on the middle class and provide additional help n these specific ways". But she presented that plan in a very flawed way.

That you were not aware of her actual message is partly your fault and partly her fault.

Well, New York prosecuted him, and convicted him, but delayed sentencing until after the election. We'll see how that works out for them.

The democrats don't try to appeal to those without higher education. Republicans are great at presenting information in easy to digest bites.

I forgot which comedian did this bit during their standup but their point was that progressives/liberals/leftists suck at messaging or sloganeering. Their goals are noble but there are no catchy slogans to go with it.

Just think about it. "They're killing the babies!" is way more catchy and effective than "Access to abortion should be available to everyone. Even if you want to have a child, some complications or health issues may require you to abort the pregnancy as early as you can." Yeah that's not reaching everyone, is it? And you can't scream it like "They're killing the babies!"

And that's just an example of policy that was chosen by few states', which they also voted for GOP, giving them power to ban abortion on federal level. (In case you are wondering which states: Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Nevada)

If you can't communicate how you can give the people what they want, how do you even counter "Democrats hate America!" or stuff like that?

And if Harris is telling us what she wants to do in the future, we’re immediately going to ask why she and Joe didn’t already do it in the past.

I'm very much on the "Dems fucked this up train" but you're getting really close to this, which is also true. Because maybe the answer there is "You saw him up on that debate stage right? Or "You know I'm VP, not P right now, right?"

Are you trying to make a point? Because you're not saying anything

I'm not defending Harris' overall campaign, but I am taking some issue with Bernie claiming that the Democrats have abandoned working class voters.

I like Bernie, and he makes some good points about the lack of any bill put forth to raise the minimum wage. But I think his overall characterization is quite a bit off base, especially when compared to what the Republicans are offering working-class voters. Which is basically nothing

I'll listen to any counterpoint with an open mind but you have to make one

Let's not obfuscate with "oligarchs" either.

They're the bourgeoisie. It's the same struggle now as it was 100 years ago.

I don't think there would ever come a time where people could voice their issues with the democratic party. Eventually the dems would've suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don't listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right

Oh hey look it's the opinion that for the last 2 years would get you nuked on votes getting only upvoted now!

Been yelling this since Joe "only running now to stop Trump" didn't fucking prop anyone up during his term to run, fucking obvious they dont care because they know the other side is fascism and thought that was enough because they're out-of-touch rich cunts

I can be mad at both.

Democrats could have tried to improve the lot of the working classes.

People could have voted not to throw their neighbors to the wolves.

Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right.

Except that Dems stopped "drifting to the right" 20 years ago. The are merely drifting left too slowly. Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ 60 years ago.

But even if Harris had won all it would’ve done is

It would have resulted in tax increases on billionaires and corporations, which is the critical battleground of wealth inequality,. Would a more progressive candidate done this better? Yes. But stop pretending this is nothing. Taxes are 90% of the ballgame.

Nothing actually gets better until the DNC gets better

You do know that the DNC is not a person right? It's not a static monolithic entity either. Tulsi Gabbert used to be in the DNC executive committee. The delegates elected by the primary voters control the DNC and will always control the DNC which changes membership constantly. So the only way to change that is through primary election choices. To change things people need to understand how things actually work now.

And she’s no longer making decisions for the party, right? …right?!

You mean her formal position as speaker of the house?

What an amazingly condescending tone to turn on your mod flag for. And to be so wrong!

I'll not even list the progressive bills Biden has signed, because you should know them. You know Bernie and Biden are friends. If Bernie wanted Joe's support on a bill, it was certainly obtainable. But, you have to have a bill first.

I don't know where this came from. Healthcare has been an issue since Nixon, and if you want to name a champion of it and minimum wage, without doubt it would be Ted Kennedy who produced many bills on both issues.

Two were to rename post offices.