Elon Musk ‘Secretly’ Used Starlink To Foil A Ukrainian Attack On Russian Naval Fleet Over Fear Of Nuclear War: Report

The Logan Act deals with private citizens negotiating with foreign governments. Unless he fucked with Starlink at the direct request of the Russian gov't, I don't see how the Logan Act applies. EDIT: apparently he did it after speaking with Russian government officials. So never mind, Logan Act is absolutely implicated.

He did this with federal funds. And the US hasn’t declared war since, what, WW2? The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, and we never declared war with USSR.

This reeks of espionage. With a slight hint of war crimes?

This has nothing to do with being Ukrainian, but everything to do with being American, and actively working against American interests and official national and White house policies.

He is actively working against the support USA is providing, and has paid him for, and has ordered him not to sabotage or diminish.

This is treason, which is logical, since Elon Musk is a Trump supporter and they are both traitors and Elon Musk is a pedophile Nazi.

Sedition?

In what conflict were people criticized for fighting back against the US because it could cause a nuclear war?

Fuck Woodrow Wilson. Wilsonian Doctrine wasn't even close to the worst thing that shitstain caused while president.

Worst. President. Ever.

Not anymore. They gave them to Russia under guarantees they wouldt do... pretty much everything they are doing right now.

I'm starting to think Russia might not be trustworthy...

That doesn’t address the previous claim in any manner.

Yeah. According to the article, he straight up told the top military brass of the Biden administration right afterwards and they did nothing. No prosecution, no whistle-blowing to the press about a war crime. Nothing.

So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?

Or OR we ask him to emerge from the Black Sea in his swim trunks to beguile both sides with his majestic beauty and raw sexuality, thereby ending the conflict and bringing peace to the region

This assumes he provides something of value beyond his money

He doesn't personally control any of that. Each of those organizations could continue on without him, probably happier to be rid of him.

Too big? Hold my TCP/IP stack......

He's twarthing the war effort of a country the US is supporting. I don't know if he broke any laws but he's defenitely on the government's shitlist now.

It's not. His actions can be deplorable without actually being illegal. The Lemmy Bar Association is about as legally competent as my cat.

So if during the occupation of Afghanistan, I fought for the Taliban but only killed Afghan Army soldiers, I could return to the USA without any worries?

Giving comfort to the enemy has a name, what is it again?

we're no better than medieval peasants who had to bow and scrape for the nobles' favor

It's been like that for decades(centuries?). The rich do as they please and the rest of us are treated like livestock. It's impressive citizens don't revolt more than they do these days.

Vote with your wallet. If you hate him so much don’t buy anything from him. It’s a fair meritocracy, if you think you can run a better space satellite company you are welcome to try

He got to where he is with government funding.

Turn off the tap. Now.

When you have a contract with the federal government it comes with stipulations. Don't "private citizen" this. It's not a mom and pop store.

Where do you draw the line? Should he also be allowed to sell his services to Russia? Should private companies from the US be allowed to sell arms to Russia?

Why? I think capitalism’s a toxic system and he has no moral right to his wealth.

"Citizen" is the critical word here

Exactly, you can't have your cake and eat it - if we want to live in a sane and moral world we shouldn't let private citizens own things that are important, especially not satellite infrastructure

I was gonna say $3.50, but jail works too.

Make it a Co-op with government oversight and maybe security. Its too stategically important to be allowed market level independence.

Did he really do it? I'm pretty sure that was the engineers, which Musk is not.

I’m pretty sure someone at Tesla or SpaceX put the Twitter idea in his head so he would fuck off and meddle with something else and let them do their actual work instead of dealing with his stupidity, micromanaging and narcissism.

He borrowed a billion from it to buy Twatter. What happens the next time he needs money?

That's a pretty glib way of looking at it.

NASA just contracts everything out. I think NASA would be much different if they had something like SpaceX (and was funded properly).

From what I understand he didn't deactivate it.. it was already deactivated and he refused to turn it on.

He had disabled starlink systems over Russian territories - in order to help Ukraine. This included Crimea. Ukraine last year wanted to do a drone-strike on Crimea, so they asked Musk to turn them on. He refused, claiming he was scared of war escalation and that he didn't want to be involved in offensive war operations.

You mean Ukrainian military hardware?

Its not military hardware

It would obviously be the government of the country of origin.

Starlink was designed, built, and deployed from the United States, by SpaceX (a US company) which is owned by Elon Musk (a US citizen), and launched from US soil. Obviously all that junk and and people are subject to US governance, so when I say this specific stuff should be seized by eminent domain, I mean seized by the US Government.

Other junk in other countries built by other people of similar magnitude and ability to interfere with global conflicts would be subjected to those other governments. I wouldn't expect the US Government to seize, under eminent domain, foreign owned stuff in other countries.

Anyone considering striking US likely realizes the fallout from that strategy though

For a lot of reasons, yes

Yes, but go ahead and see what happens

Always has been

That has been confirmed many times before this.

but he has money, thus he is extra super smart!

Waste of a good rocket. Strap him in a Tesla and put it on autopilot

But that might damage the wall.

I don't know... I'd like if like to see him reunited with the tesla he shot up there. It'd be kind of poetic.

So use him as ejection mass to help the propulsion?

I think the implication is compromat.

Hey look a rational person.

Spoken like a true ttrpg player.

Legally though, does he still qualify as a piece of shit? Cause he is a piece of shit.

It is neither of those things, but he may be subject to an act of retorsion, which isn't bound by the rule of "proportionate response," from both the government of the US, and the government of Ukraine. I don't expect that to happen, but that's what would happen to any of us doing something like that.

Musk is treasonous war criminal.

It isn't legally treason or insurrection. I'm not sure what the legal term would be for what he did, but it does open him up directly for an act of retorsion from either the US or Ukraine, so it is illegal under international law.

The fun thing about an act of retorsion is that it doesn't have to follow the "proportionate response" rule, so Ukraine can go as nuclear as they want against Musk, and The Hague will support them.

He’s not a country, but the countries are.

Being a troll Musk shill is just as embarassing as being a real one, and everyone else but you can see that.

We have nationalized utility companies in the past. In fact we even did a satellite data network.

I think it was emerald mining, FYI.

It’s absolutely impossible to become a billionaire and have anything resembling a conscience. Some folks get rich and then have an “oh shit” moment (like Bill Gates) but most just continue abusing every mechanism they can to get richer.

Lol jesus fuckin christ you lot are ignorant as fuck. You know how big space is? Let me know if you hit a washing machine in the middle of the desert...cause that's space except on a 3d plane.