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Three things are no secret: 1) Elon Musk benefits more than any other individual from Tesla’s success, 2) Elon Musk has gotten extremely involved in political matters (emphasis on “extremely”), and 3) many people won’t buy Tesla products because of those first two facts.
New research from JW Surety Bonds finds that 1 out of 4 Americans “avoid Tesla’s technology due to their opinions on Elon Musk.” That’s a full quarter of the US public that won’t consider great electric vehicles, including the best selling vehicle in the world, because of Musk’s highly abnormal involvement in US politics.
Before we get to more of the research, it should also be noted that Musk has been getting more and more involved, including in highly abnormal and extremely right-wing ways, in European politics — in the UK, Italy, Germany, and other major auto markets. Without a doubt, this is starting to impact consumer behavior in Europe as well.
I can’t think of anything else as significant in consumer product sales. Yes, there are some other highly politically engaged business people, but they aren’t so directly involved or tied to significant mass-market products. (I’m not counting the MyPillow guy, for example.) There are founders and CEOs of major corporations who are known political actors, but not so openly and loudly that they draw widely significant scrutiny or tarnish the brand they represent.
I fucking hate saying this and agree but it doesn’t matter if any of our money goes to him… he’s a legit supervillain that has the most money. It’s insane. Nothing matters anymore. (Okay some things matter, if someone buys a tesla, money notwithstanding, they also forfeit their privacy)
A family member had a deposit down on a Cybertruck and was ready to buy one. They canceled their deposit and bought a different EV because of how much they despise Elon now, so it's not just sour grapes from people that couldn't/wouldn't buy one anyways.
It may be difficult to really say who's part of that group. Years ago, I definitely wanted a Tesla. Would I have been part of that group at that time? Then the downsides started to show up. Poor QA. No independent repairs. Expensive repairs and poor warranty coverage. Their vision of a car controlled by an app. Then Musk went insane.
Then later, when I was in the market for a new car, I didn't seriously consider a Tesla. I looked at them briefly to make sure I wasn't missing out on something big, and found the options to be lackluster. I ended up buying a Bolt.
Would I have bought a Tesla, were it not for Elon's political actions? TBH, probably not. The repairs thing really turned me off. Even though it's largely theoretical (I've yet to find an independent EV mechanic), it's very important that I have the possibility.
I genuinely don't get when they say "haters are just jealous they can't afford it"... Like, no? Seriously? Do you see them hating on Lamborghinis or Ferraris? It doesn't make any sense.
I've had it for free a couple times and I cannot understand what the hype is all about. I can go down the street to a mom and pop place and get a way better chicken sandwich for the same price and I don't have to wait in a line wrapping around the block. It's definitely some cult behavior.
But yeah, I have LGBTQ people in my life so I don't need to support an anti-LGBTQ corporation. Unfortunately, most Americans like tasty treats and shiny objects more than morality or accountability.
I'm still among those people. On the rare occasion that I am presented with no option for food other than Chik-Fil-A, I find their food disgusting. I only have two data points - nuggets and hash browns - and both were excessively greasy, bland turds.
My girlfriend's mom gifted her a Hobby Lobby gift card. We regifted it back to her the following year.
I only have two data points - nuggets and hash browns - and both were excessively greasy, bland turds.
I fully support folks boycotting Chik-Fil-A, but you went to a store known for their chicken sandwiches and then got other things. Their sandwiches are basic but good. I don't enjoy their nuggets or hash browns either.
Not sure about the value of LiDAR, but their inability to integrate ANY multimodal sensors (RADAR or even SONAR parking sensors which are no longer on ANY of their vehicles) points to either an unwillingness/inability to solve the engineering problem of integration, penny pinching, or both. I bought a demo Model 3 in 2019 (it’s a 2018) which has ultrasound sensors (for now? It used to also have RADAR) and as our family has grown a Y would be a much better fit for us. But no chance I’m buying another Tesla.
Probably at least another 25 percent of people would not consider Tesla products at all due to misinformation from the oil and gas lobby. Then at least 50 percent cannot afford Tesla. Certainly there is overlap between these groups, but still I am pretty sure that Elons political hobby is costly to Tesla. Unfortunately, whatever Tesla may lose in future revenue, he gains back through crypto pump and dump schemes.
The problem is also that the typical tesla customer was progressive or left leaning, a group which greatly overlaps with the people he pissed off. Plus he doesn't seem to have pickud up a to of potential customers on the right, they seem to tolerate him at best.
That would be me. I don’t shop at either. Neither do my friends or family. Don’t give money to companies that use it to actively persecute you and your friends.
If you are not self aware enough to be embarrassed that you are driving a cybertruck do not worry, everyone who sees you driving it is embarrassed for you.
Cybertruck drivers must truly believe that everyone around them is so happy and impressed. As they look in at all other drivers on the road, they all have huge, incredulous smiles on their faces... Of course it's fully because everyone they are seeing is mid laugh when they see the jackass that dropped over $100k on that divorced dad tramp stamp of a car. So people burst out laughing at that rusty death machine that permanently breaks if you take it through the carwash. The owners have trouble reading emotion in faces though, so they must just feel like a million bucks as they arrive home, grab the items they went to pickup at the store (ED meditation and father's day greeting cards they are forging to send to themselves) and the trunk severs their coke pinkie with the long fingernail.
I can't boycott Tesla because of Musk because their reputation for poor build quality and horrific servicing means I wouldn't even consider them to begin with. That and I want my control stalks.
Even if they fired Elon tomorrow I wouldn't buy one for this reason. A few years ago they were the only viable option for an electric car, so people overlooked a lot to get one of them. But now there's a ton of electric cars and even more coming out in the future. Why would I go with a company that's had pretty significant issues over one from a company with more experience building cars?
Exactly. There’s no need to tolerate body panel issues, awful interiors, bad QC, lack of replacement parts, and dangerous welds now that I can get a used electric Porsche for a similar price.
Even now I'm pretty sure they have one of the best if not the best drivetrains. The problem is everything else is total trash and you won't be able to fix it if anything goes wrong
That's the thing that sucks. Engine tech is incredible. Everything else is miserably and embarassingly bad. Even if Elmo wasn't such a colossal fucking bigot, I would never consider getting a Tesla for the asking price, or used
I'm more deterred by the amount of control that Tesla retains over their vehicles after they've "sold" it. But if that wasn't enough, Musk's descent in oligarchic fascism certainly would be.
Musk is clearly bad for the companies he heads. I'm eagerly awaiting the investor lawsuits. The stocks will probably have to dip first, though.
My favorite are the bumper stickers that say "I bought this before I knew what he was like". Seen 3 or 4 now.
It's sad because behind this shitstain of a human being there are a bunch of actually intelligent people making electric cars and rockets who are having their intellect and effort overshadowed by an insufferable man-child.
That’s a full quarter of the US public that won’t consider great electric vehicles
This is subjective.
including the best selling vehicle in the world
This is distorted by the fact that they have fewer than half a dozen models. They aren't even in the top 10 brands world wide. BYD is in the top 10 and they sell twice as many vehicles.
Tesla isn't growing and as the foul Musk spread through global politics the brand will fall more. He wasted his first mover advantage. It's just a waiting game on how long the market will remain irrational with the stock price.
Exactly this, I would've bought one eventually if he'd just shut up, a lot of would.
But why would I support an openly racist, fascist, fuckhead trying to buy his way into power? Toyota, Honda, Kia, and all the other corpos are plenty evil and have the manufacturing and support experience an auto maker needs.
The idea of a generic parts "libreauto" is cool. A frame/chassis designed to accept drop-in parts from other established manufacturers so you could part out wrecked cars and assemble them into your own frankencar.
It’s not just their vehicles. I just bought a ‘24 Ioniq 5, and Hyundai is set to start sending out free adapters to use Tesla Superchargers, but I probably won’t plug into one of those either, because it benefits that moronic man-child oligarch.
Then that is the reason that you are avoiding them. They know you aren't buying. What's important here is the people that can afford a Tesla but are choosing to look elsewhere because of Elon. This includes repeat customers as well.
You can still blacklist Twitter and any lazy ass 'journalists' that make an article based on a Twitter post and hotlink to said post. Many ways to say fuck Elon Musk
Edit: also Reddit. Fuck spez
Edit: also Facebook. Fuck Zuck. Glad he can finally afford to put pubes on his head tho
For me it was him calling rescue workers pedophiles because they didn't want to stop their time sensitive rescue efforts to listen to his fantasies about building and deploying a submarine in a tiny underwater cave system.
I think that was the catalyst for a lot of people to realize who this loser actually was.
It's much better for the environment anyway when you keep it longer. 5y is nothing for an electric car, even if it has multiple hundred thousand kilometers it should be fine.
I just liked the new one more. Also the vehicle tax will go up on any vehicle bought after April 2025 (in the UK), so there's probably going to be a lot of deals.
Anyway, if I do upgrade it won't be another Tesla.
Same, my Model 3 turns 5 years old soon. My original plan was to keep it for at least 8 years until the HV battery warranty expires - but, it has had its first major breakdown in the last 6 months, and although Tesla did manage to fix it I'm now window shopping for a replacement.
I don't think I'll get another Tesla, at least not as the situation stands. If Elon decided to sell it to some unobtrusive billionaire who is content to sit there, shut up and get even richer without meddling in geopolitics - and if they put back the fucking turn signal stalks - then maybe I would consider it, as otherwise the car is easy to live with, pleasant to drive and has acceptable range for what I need - and newer versions will go even further. But, there are a lot of alternatives on the market to consider now as well.
I am sure there is a team of very talented engineers at Tesla, and that they are the reason the company has been as successful as it is, despite the moron in charge of it.
Exactly my situation and feelings, except mine turns just 4 soon. I was considering upgrading to a model X in the past, but as the situation is right now, no way.
I was looking at an electric car, decided against it because they are way too expensive. But during my research Tesla was completely out of the question for me because I will never support that piece of shit.
My SO always reminds me how I wanted to buy a Tesla around 2018 and was a big fan of Elon Musk having read his biography. Fortunately or unfortunately he decided to not keep his mouth shut lol. I won’t consider buying Tesla for any reason, even if they start ranking as the best quality built car.
Plenty. Like, it's only anecdotal but I could buy a Tesla, and am in the market for an EV. A Tesla just isn't even an option to be considered, if for no other reason than how I can't bring myself to give money to the guy.
Yeah at this point I'd rather get rid of my Tesla, but unfortunately I'm not rich enough to just willy nilly change cars because I don't like the owner of its manufacturer.
Car manufacturers are a weird bunch. Like take Henry Ford for example, total nazi sympathizer. Or Volkwagen, from none other than Mr. Hitler himself.
I did find that out but I don't really give 2 shits about FSD. I actually like driving fast cars but I hate Elon. He was kinda bad when I bought the car but then he got so much worse.
I believe so. They just started shipping their electric SUV with about 450 miles of range and the Saudis keep giving them money. People seem to generally love their cars.
I most definitely don't like musk, don't want to support him, and don't have the money to get a car, but the biggest reason I won't even consider getting one is because of their abhorrent safety.
25% of 800 U.S. citizens surveyed is not indicative of the entire country. Not only that, the original study release here (as far as I could find) doesn't state how or where the survey was conducted.
A survey done in California would be wildly different than one done in Mississippi. That article and this post are ethically dishonest, and the study proves absolutely nothing.
The sample size for a population of 200 million (people in the US minus children and people over 70) with a confidence of 95% and error margin of 5% is below 400.
Surveying 800 people actually brings the error margin down to 3.5%, which is extremely good in terms of applied statistics.
How does pointing that out make me a fanboy? Interesting you chose to call names and denounce instead of being civil like @[email protected]. Why is that?
That's the problem when people are born on 3rd base. They get to walk it in and think they hit a home run when really they just did what any normal person would've done. Someone else would probably even do it better.
I'm trying not to buy a new car in general. If my car (ICE) got totaled, I'd consider a used Model 3 or Y because you can't really beat the bang for your buck, but I'd rather hold out for a used Rivian R2 or R3 in a few years.
I’d consider a used Model 3 or Y because you can’t really beat the bang for your buck
Hell no. Not me. Other manufacturers can even charge me a premium for the privilege of not being seen in a Musk vehicle, I'll pay. And if I can't pay, I'll ride the bus. Tesla can fuck right off - new or used.
I'm not quite there, but I get it. I definitely wouldn't get a new one. There are just so few decent EV sedans or hatchbacks that I like in the US market. I guess an Ionic 6 could be a good option. I hate big lumpy cars with oversized hoods and bad visibility, which is basically everything here.
The problem is that it’s not just his politics but it’s the entire business model. Teslas have decent enough range but they also have doors that you can’t open when they ice over in the winter, they’ll lock the doors if there’s a fire, and they’re generally not built to a very high standard.
Removing Musk from the equation they still aren’t somewhere I’d like my body to be, thanks.
Yeah, I have a friend who won't drive with his young kids in the backseat of his Model Y because of the safety concerns of opening the doors if there's an electrical failure.
Due to the way the world is developing .... I never did buy new vehicles before, but now I'm convinced, I will never ever buy any new vehicle ... gas or electric.
I'll drive a used dumpy rusted out car or truck until I can't any more.
I hate how, when he needs some money, he can just drop a crypto meme coin name somewhere on social media and watch the price go up.
He can then sell all of the coins he undoubtedly bought beforehand and sit back and watch a couple of millions added to his bank account.
He did it a couple of times with doge, and now with kekius.
I'm not smart enough to follow the money for crypto coins, but I'm sure someone could identify one or more whale accounts with suspicious buying and selling moments for these coins as Musk's secret little money factories.
(Or the creation of a couple of thousands of smaller accounts, if he really wanted to conceal his tracks)
The richest person in the world, folks. If most will-paid professionals lost 99% of their money, they would essentially be back to zero. If Musk lost 99% of his money, he would still be one of the world’s billionaires.
He would have thousands of millions of dollars.
Before or after the 99% loss, he could finance his daily life with cheap loans wherever needed. There would be no real effect on his personal life, just on how his professional life and big-boy money score affected his ego.
And yet he fucks around with scamming random followers out of their crypto pennies. That’s hire you know he’s sick or sadistic or both.
I noticed a cybertruck downstairs when I was vaping on a bench. I wrote the word “stupid” on a sticky note when I got back to my desk. If the thing is still there when I go to lunch in 30m, I’ll put it on the driver-side window.
It was still there when I left for home. I made sure to take my vape breaks out of sight in case the owner was a big meathead with hurt little feeling.
He's also attempting to put a robotaxi on the roads that WILL kill people in its current iteration, and he's trying to leverage his political spending to ensure that Tesla isn't liable for his death traps.
For me, its more about the fact that I don't trust that unhinged motherfucker to not do a mandatory update in the middle of the highway and disable braking.
The problem is how many are still ideologically attracted to him or the MAGA movement and how likely are they to be impulse buyers. Musk already made sure to get the most money he could out of the nerds that would have no problem moving onto competitors once there was legitimate competition. There's legitimate competition, meaning that in order for Musk to continue making the big bucks, he has to appeal to the same sort of market Alex Jones was able to peddle bullshit dietary supplements to.
I refused to buy Tesla products when he decided to slander rescue divers trying to save kids trapped in a flooded cave. His politics didn't even hit my radar until later. But, yeah; fuck that weirdo and any company that associates with him. I'm happy to give his competition money.
Also WTF is the wording in that article. A lot of jumping to conclusions on a number of things.