"The American experiment endures," Biden said. "We're going to be OK."
"The American experiment endures," Biden said. "We're going to be OK."
President Joe Biden address the nation Thursday from the White House vowing a peaceful transfer of power. He said he congratulated Donald Trump on winning the election and also spoke with Vice President Harris.
You're old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker -- YOU'RE going to be "ok." Everyone else is fucked.
Mildly? I'm radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn't read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I've changed man, since then. I don't know how I feel about the Democrats, but I'm devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn't just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That's the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn't vote for Hitler. We Americans can't say the same. I'm so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
I'm radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
A democracy requires an informed citizenry, and the US media over the past eight years in particular created an increasingly misinformed citizenry.
When people are more concerned that a trans girl might play on a softball team than that the climate crisis might profoundly devastate the biosphere and much of life on it, human and otherwise, for the next 10,000 years, the media has failed. When people worry about crime when it is low, an economy when it is thriving and immigrants when they do much of the hard work that sustains that economy and commit fewer crimes than the native-born, the media has failed.
When it came to Donald Trump, they went easy on him, and they again and again let him and the far right set the agenda. They constantly treated asymmetrical issues as symmetrical ones – if the Democrats resisted Republican outrages, both sides were “polarized”. In the media everything had two sides, even if one side was the truth and the other was the lie, one side was the human rights or the law and the other side was their violation.
They went soft on Trump’s criminality and incompetence, and his sheer volume of scandals meant that the past ones were forgotten as the next one erupted. He would not have won his 2016 minority victory had the US news media adequately conveyed that Trump was not the fun fictional character in the reality TV show The Apprentice; he was a serially bankrupt man repeatedly accused of sexual assault with a lot of criminal ties and a history of not paying his bills, being helped on by the Vladimir Putin regime, which had itself seriously corrupted the information environment of the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/us-progressive-election-trump-maga
Or maybe what media thinks their job is isn't what you think it should be. Maybe the media is deliberately promoting fascism for profit, has become our enemy, and needs to be destroyed.
I can't really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I'll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the "left" voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself "How did I end up all the way over here?" I'm not following you into that marsh but you're welcome to go into it yourself, just don't get upset at me when I point out what you're heading into and don't get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump's regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to "stop fascism". What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren't entitled to others' votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren't splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the "it will stop Trump" argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. "You can push them left", "By voting we will get a seat at the table", "Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote", "We have to vote this way to protect the country", "Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate", and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren't going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
The Democrats didn't turn out to vote for Kamala, so yes, you can still blame the Democrats.
"The American experiment endures,"
I would say it just failed. I'm sorry but a system that elects a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi's and dictators, and this was just the first term. I'm sorry but by any metric I care to meaure it by this is a failed experiment.
You forgot about the millions of people that died because of his Covid response
Right, I barely scratched the surface.
And this is exactly what's wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should've run. They're too comfortable in their big houses with all their money and privilege. They have no fucking idea what it's like for most Americans, and clearly they don't care because they've never had to. There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn't vote.
They are shit but they cant be alarmist reactionaries either. They need change but trying to encourage stability and console people isnt the worst
Except that they've spent the last 6 months telling everyone that it's a choice between them and fascism. Then when fascism comes they're like "oh well, we tried".
I'm just hoping that this loss will eventually make the Dems look inward, but I'm not holding my breath when he's saying shit like this.
And this is exactly what's wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should've run.
Biden was there to beat Bernie.
There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn't vote.
Greens are still here! I think we got 600,000 votes this year.
A vote for Stein this year was a vote for Trump. Vote green in your local and state elections to get support growing, don't vote for them for president when they aren't even on enough ballots to win and the alternative is a literal hitler-worshipper.
Edit - Stein was actually on the ballot in 38 states so she technically could've won. I was thinking of Claudia De la Cruz and the PSL party - I have the same sentiment with them this election. These two divided the left and only benefited Trump. Vote green or PSL in your local elections and grow support for the non-democrat left.
Fuck the Green party. Jill Stein crawls out of its crypt every 4 years to spend russia's money and steal progressive votes away from the Democratic candidate.
Rich old white dudes are going to be ok.
"nothing will fundamentally change"
Aw man......I'm just a broke middle aged white guy........
Hate to break it to you, we're still near the top of the heap.
Honestly him getting re-elected is the first time in my life where I felt the absolute gravity of "Oh, THIS is white privilege" like theres no fuckin nuance to this. I'm straight, white and middle aged. If I say the right things I'll probably be fine, not much is going to change for me.
I cant say the same for a lot of other people.
"I know people are still hurting, but things are changing rapidly. Together we've changed America for the better. Now we have 74 days to finish the term, our term. Let's make every day count."
Jesus fucking Christmas. Nothing will penetrate his perfect shield of fantasy.
Well I mean, what would you say in that position? It's hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked and you'd probably also be pretty disinclined to say nothing of note was achieved in your own administration or that there isn't really enough time to do much of anything in the remaining period.
The beginning and end of Leadership is accountability. The Dems refuse to accept their part in this loss.
The President and Vice President have zero outward indications that this is personally painful to them, at all. If anything, they seem relieved to be passing the potato. If they are so out of touch, or so insulated from the pernicious outcomes of their doleful stewardship of this country, then WHY should voters place their trust in that party again, considering it's been helmed and staffed by the same obstinate members for decades?
I don't see Leadership, I see a kind of craven capitulation, at a time when America most needs its leaders to have fire in their bellies, and compassion in their eyes.
It's hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked
Yes it fucking would! That kind of honest assessment of reality is exactly what millions of working-class people have been clamoring for from Democrats for years now and not fucking getting!
And by "millions," I mean more than the margin of victory.
Not encouraging in the context of implementing harm reduction in the short time we have left. This stupid old fuck is going to smile and nod his way into the grave while wishing us all the best.
We aren't going to be okay. Stop saying it's going to be okay. Project 25 is not okay, turning Gaza into a crater is not okay, banning abortion is not okay, cutting Medicare is not okay. None of this shit is okay. Stop trying to sit and act like being cordial is going to make the right go, "Well, they're being so nice about it." We fucked up, and we need to face the consequences.
He just means technically we will probably survive. Maybe.
And he's weong.
3 days ago, it was going to be the last election, the ultimate election, the end times, the end of democracy. Now we'll be fine?
Pre-election Dems and post-election Dems cannot both be right. One of the two is lying.
it's just that democrats give republicans too much good faith and try to be the better people; both things can be true.
So... pre-election Democrats were not being the better people??? I really don't get this.
I am convinced that Project 2025 is coming to your country and that trumpism is the most dangerous modern day neo-fascist strain. I actually believe the pre-election Democrats. You don't appease fascism, you don't give it good faith, you resist it, you fight it, you crush it.
This about-face of the post-election Democrats is insane and it feeds directly into the "boy who cried wolf" narrative that the Right is pushing. Not to mention they are normalizing trumpism.
Fuck off Biden, now's the time to use that presidential immunity you just got to attack enemies of the state before your term ends. It's legal!
Seriously, Joe, go out with some fireworks.
What a fucking tool.
Good job, Biden. You care so much about your legacy? Guess what: your legacy is now “one of the hubristic egotistical dipshits that made so many unforced errors that you basically opened the fucking door for the fascists to take over”. You’ll be remembered alongside the likes of Neville Chamberlain and Paul von Hindenburg. You absolute fucking chode. You lost the fucking republic.
'We're going to be OK' is copium for 'we're not ok now.'
I thought the headline was not conveying the emphasise. "We're going to be ok" says member of the owning class.
Guy surrendering power says it’s gonna be okay.
Guy taking power says we’re coming for you motherfuckers.
Hm, who to believe?
The people who say its all ok will be spared, motherfucker... they hope.
No, it’s fine. We don’t do lesser evilism here so it’s fine. /s
Yeah, no kidding.
"Something I hope we can do no matter who you voted for is see each other not as adversaries but as fellow Americans, Bring down the temperature."
No. Human rights aren't a disagreement. We can disagree on whether or not we enjoyed a movie or on what pizza toppings we prefer. But if the disagreement is that you want to kill me or people I care about, you are, by definition, my adversary.
Careful. This is what many said about the genocide in Gaza. That genocide wasn't something to brush off. That there was nothing more serious.
What is your actual point without sarcasm?
By we he means, them and their wealthy friends, and the celebrities they paraded during the last campaign. Struggling people can eat dirt.
And even those celebrities might need to watch out, political prosecutions are almost guaranteed in the next few years
This spineless fuck will be remembered for 1 thing and 1 thing only. Being the useless cunt that sat back and allowed Trump to walk right back in to the Whitehouse.
I think that may have been up to voters. And we fucked it.
Biden chosing not to prosecute him for his crimes because he didn't want it to look politically motivated allowed this to happen.
Are you suggesting he refuses to transfer power?
More a statement of how little he did to prevent this scenario/how shit of a president he was
I'm suggesting he actually prosecuted Trump for his crimes instead of trying to look politically neutral.
The neville chamberlin of america
Biden needs to shut up and get back to work appointing judges.
"The American Experiment" amazing how full of shit this thinking is, basically american exceptionalism
bases the government on historical examples
pretends they invented the idea
I mean, it's a pretty American thing to do.
It's a repeat of a historical experiment, and he's fiddling while it burns.
Okay Boomer
Considering Gen Z boys voted heavily for Shitler, I don't ever want to hear "OK boomer" again. Gen Z is a generation of infantile incels who refuse to vote for a woman.
Such patronizing comments.
Rich dems and republicans, we’re all friends you see. We only differ in the degree of our ideology. We’re not actually opposed. We’ll all be fine. In fact we’re all going to the country club for a round of golf and some champagne later today. You poor suckers are screwed as always, but that’s life.
They agree that nothing should ever be able to touch their money or power
Well I guess that if your only opportunity of touching grass is at a country club, then they're the most out of touch Americans who probably still think video games cause violence and swear Harvard is the best place for their kids/grandkids even though it was historically a puritan group who hated the idea of religious freedom. I guess when it comes to the top we aren't all that different, so when it comes to the bottom and (the seemingly non-existent) middle classes they want us to hate each other yet come together like they do, but forget to realize that half of these lower class folks will likely commit acts of terror for a free tank of gas and a pack of marlboro reds. Inequality by class is the worst when nobody upper class even tries to see it.
the "we" he refers to is not us
His "We" aren't even watching, they're sunbathing off the coast of Cancun
Says the neoliberal shitbag who appointed a conservative traitor to NOT prosecute Trump. The same shitbag who should NOT have run in the first fucking place. And now the DNC is going to tack even further right.
Historically, fascism is only defeated through violence, but in this case, that violence needs to happen inside our own house. The DNC needs to purge itself of neoliberals and conservatives just in case there's another shot at salvaging democracy. DNC neoliberals are the deadly threat closest to us.
he was literally in the middle of being prosecuted... blame trump appointed judges for delaying.
Garland (an actual Republican) waited two and a half years to even START investigating, and he only did that after congress publicly humiliated him by placing a mountain of evidence at his doorstep.
If we had a real AG and not a conservative, Trump would have been properly prosecuted and countless lives would have been saved.
Merrick Garland sat on his hands for 2.5 years, intentionally letting Trump off the hook. I hope he is Trump's first victim in the prison camps.
You’ll be dead before you see the full fallout of this disaster.
Why didn’t you prosecute any treasonous criminals? Useless coward.
Why do people insist on saying "The American experiment"??
Because there's no "wrong" answer in an experiment. AKA no accountability.
From what I know, its a communist idea that all governments are inventions and that we are "trying them to see if they work".
I mean, what part of that is a communist idea? And of course they are all inventions that we are trying. Every country around the world is hoping their government system works best for their population. That said they are all for the most part , different.
İt'z ƿėn v ðoz "ſitı ȯ ė hil" ſentimintſ. İt u̇pſetſ bumṙz t ægnȯlidj ðæt n ė lȯt v "ekſpırimentıŋ" hæz bin gœıŋ ȯ ſinſ ð ſivil ruıts eırė.
spoiler
It's one of those "City on a Hill" sentiments. It upsets boomers to acknowledge that not a lot of "experimenting" has veen going on since the civil rights era.
Imagine being an indigenous woman and hearing this.
https://www.bia.gov/service/mmu/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-people-crisis
In the long run, we will all be dead, and none of this will matter.
Just a bunch of suffering between now and then. No big.
There's a lot of time left on the clock.
Honestly I thought about it, I'm terrified by the results, but even if things have to get worse over the next 4 years before they get better, the young generation has the time to turn it around. The will to improve? That's still unknown to me.
I feel bad for Jimmy Carter seeing what his country has become...
At least following MAGA logic, starting next year we can say that Trump is causing the hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes and floods. Mother nature asking nicely hasn't seemed to get it in people's heads.
Thank you President Seymour!
Ayy, how apt.
How Keynesian.
Narrator: they would not be ok
Okay-ish
MildlyInfuriatingThanks, Joe von Hindenbiden
Does Biden seriously think Trrump will let him retire in peace? He needs to flee the country before Trump is sworn in or he and his family will be arrested. There's no way Trump will let go the man who beat him, the man who made him look like a fool, the man who was going to have him arrested during his presidency.
Even Taylor Swift might be facing issues.
Trump cannot commit crimes as a president. There's no such thing as murder for him anymore.
Biden is rich he'll be just fine. Donnie talks a big talk but when push comes to shove money and connections are everything and Biden still has those. Just today they're reporting he's "paving the way for a smooth transition" or some other bullshit.
The rest of us are fucked but the rich and powerful will be the least fucked.
Oh so it's not just Biden who is delusional
Were you in a coma for Jan 6? They were going to execute Nancy Pelosi. Speaking of, they hit Nancy Pelosi's rich white husband on the head with a hammer. She didn't embrass Cheetoh even 10% of what Biden did. Biden beat him. Trump is a literal narcissist. Idk how to be more clear.
Men, most people really, just cannot fathom the depths of male abuse ig. Always gotta run interference for male abusers, even with obvious serious abuse histories, as your default rhetoric. Maybe stop doing that and start empathizing with victims. I'm telling you that man's psychology will not allow him to let Biden live peacefully. Not to mention Trump is literally Putin's puppet, another raging narcissist, and Biden cost Putin billions. It was found in court he colluded with Russia. America Kompromat by Unger shows a long history of blackmail by Russia to Americans including Trump. Active Measures documentary with John McCain and Hilary Clinton does as well.
What is happening next is 2 fold:
- Proxy war. Trump will destroy America as much as possible from the inside for Russia
- Theft. Wars only result in an economic boom if we are essentially grave robbing the loser. What's about to happen is a massive wealth transfer from the US to Russia and other countries. They will absolutely be killing off wealthy white men. They'll kill everyone. They literally don't care. This is a war and has been since the 2016 election. And you refuse to see it.
Joe Biden will be fine. He could care less.
I mean, maybe. I'm calling it that at least one Democratic party figure will get gotten in a show trial.
Jack Smith, James or Merchan
It's funny to see the different types of ideological bubbles on display. They really believe this.
Just clowns driving the clown car.
The "American experiment" as far as I am aware is one of "self-governance".
It arguably has never been tried in earnest since the founding of this country, at very least failed entirely in 2016 with Russia's influence and the zero consequences that arose from that, and was likely dealt a critical blow by the citizens united decision which all but guaranteed that rich people would decide our elections for us in the future.
We voted ourselves into what I'm now pretty convinced is an unshakable oligarchy. You'll get what the rich, international oligarchs want you to have and nothing else. They've built bunkers in New Zealand and the Ozarks for when the consequences come knocking at their doors.
Press X to doubt.
I really can't understand the level of "history is over, here" most of the West seems to be on. It's a delusion that has to break down eventually, but apparently we're not there yet.
No. We're not
So do something about it. Where's the Dark Brandon we fucking need?
There was never a dark Brandon, it was only a meme Libs used to cope and pretend their wet cardboard of a president was respectable.
Beyonce, Taylor Swift and LeBron's kid are also doing fine.
lol.
lmao even.
Copium
Fash support fash.
I was about to downvote until I saw the community.
“The American experiment endures”
Right, for him when Trump or Harris wins, the election is fair and transparent.
I'm sorry for the conspiracy tone, but they do keep playing you for fools.
You are going to be fine
Stop with the Lemmy circle jerk
Tell that to the families who lost daughters due to the fact that doctors legally couldn't help them during miscarriages.
You are going to be fine
You can't know that. If you don't want to hear people's despair, that's fine, block it. But don't pretend that has anything to do with some supposedly "fine" future -- just be upfront about the fact that you don't care. Might as well; uncaring people are doing pretty well for themselves these days.
It must be nice being a rich white man.
