The worst part is, after a short while, you actually cross this sort of threshold where you enjoy it and begin to look forward to it, and then you start to notice it is helping your mental as well as your physical health.
Just atrocious. It's almost like we were evolved for this.
This has never happened to me. I still hate it and I run at least 18 miles a week for going on twenty years. I feel like shit if I don’t run, but I still hate the actual activity.
Have you tried an activity you actually enjoy? I know that sounds a bit curt, but I gave up jogging for mountain biking and hiking, and now it is substantially easier to convince myself to get out and get started because I actually enjoy what I'm doing!
That shouldn't have been as revelatory for me as it was, but the current paradigm is that jogging, gym time, or other monotonous activities are what we should be doing, and that really just sucks the joy out of physical activity.
it's crazy to me that there are people out there that are able to do things they don't enjoy doing by their own willpower just because it's good for them and I can't even get myself to do the things I enjoy doing.
Just do something you actually enjoy instead? Fucking hell people are ridiculous, there's so many options to exercise, find the ones you actually enjoy!
Even when I was young and healthy, I never looked forward to exercise and it never improved my mental health, even when people insisted that I do it all the time. I would always feel in a mental fog for the rest of the day after exercise. Any day without exercise and I was (and still am) very sharp mentally.
I love walking, my family has a farm and I grew up there playing walking and doing just the usual villager kid stuff. 20 years later and I love walking. I almost always walk on the way to home from work after taking the train (about 2.5 km) my friends call me crazy but it just feels good to walk and get lost in music and thoughts for half an hour or so everyday.
A few years ago I went from 265 lbs to 195. I was amazed at how much better I felt overall.
Unfortunately, I have a relationship with sweets that is very similar to Charlie Sheen's relationship with cocaine. I haven't gained all that weight back but I have gained back some of it.
Getting the motivation and self control to eat right is incredibly hard work.
Damn I'm feeling you. I'm in the fall process (solidly down 15kg/33lb, approaching 20kg/44lb) with about 10-15kg to go. When my belly stops flapping I'm good I think. But I fear the rebound... Currently lots of my evening snacking have disappeared because of evening gym classes, so late home and even later dinner. So I don't have time anymore to get snacky. Or if I do it's almost bedtime anyway so I'll just go to bed instead.
But once I've hit my goal and don't need to hit gym that hard anymore... That frightens me. A little bit at least. Made some good connections there and got a routine going so i can probably keep it up.
I personally disregard weight goals because I find it can be discouraging to feel objectively better, but then the number on the scale says you're no different. So I just walk by the scale now.
Anyway, but that's me. For snacking, I find drinking a lot of water after meals, and having healthy snacks that I like (chopped carrots, mixed nuts, chia seed pudding, really dark chocolate, etc) helps.
Also I personally don't believe in "cheat days" but I like allowing myself to enjoy some junk socially. Like we have a local doughnut+coffee shop nearby, and my buddy and I will usually meet there on our dates. It's fun, it's local. I don't feel bad about it.
Hopefully there's a helpful tidbit in here and I didn't come off as preachy!
But once I’ve hit my goal and don’t need to hit gym that hard anymore… That frightens me.
I'm pretty sure the notion of not needing to exercise as much after you've hit your goal is a misconception to begin with, if it makes you feel any better.
Man, seeing a ton of people all experiencing great returns on their hard work just makes me feel even worse for never experiencing any of it beyond the weight loss itself. For literal years. No good feelings, no endorphins, even some of my joints felt worse simply because they were being used more.
And now the exact same thing two days in a row!
Its great. I'm fine. This is fine. I'm not jealous or spiteful at all. Have fun working out for me I guess.
The only time I've ever felt the "runner's high" they keep talking about was in the mosh pit at a concert, and I think the music and crowd did more for it than the activity.
Sadly, the local YMCA doesn't have mosh sessions available.
I started weight lifting and intermittently doing cardio (intermittently because it's boring and I hate it). It fixed basically all the random aches and pain shit I was having but I also never got any endorphins out of it. I look good naked though so there's that.
I've been doing P90X because I like lifting and hate cardio. I like the structure a lot because there's a ton of lifting but there's also a pliometrics day and a kenpi day for cardio that isn't boring.
Whack. The only thing I can think of is if your base activity level has never been low enough in that several year period, you might not know what it feels like to be completely sedentary by comparison?
Damn that sucks. For me it was pretty subtle. Like I would tell myself "well at least my body feels pretty good" even though the rest of me wasn't. And then I started to notice that I wasn't feeling as bad as I normally was.
And then I have had some slices of actually feeling good after 30-60 minutes intense cardio + rajma masala on rice, but maybe I just got lucky.
Definitely feeling more sore in my joints though. Stretching and limiting workouts to 2-3 times a week helps some with aches and pains in my experience.
How long have you been at it? It took me a few months before it started to even feel like a habit I could keep up
EDIT: oh you said years. Dannng, have you tried switching it up? Maybe talk to a doctor?
It didn't help ME with chronic pain, but it does help my wife with her fibromyalgia.
I'd wager if you are up in weight, and chronic pain is in any of your weight supporting areas (hips, knees, ankles, lower back, etc) then chances are your pain could be weight related.
My parents are 100% weight related issues, and when I was trying to lose weight in 2013-2015 I tried to get them to do light stuff with me. Walk around the trees behind the house a few times. A couple light calisthenics. Ride some shitty cheap bikes around the park.
Since then their knees, hips, and ankles are their biggest complaints.
Yeah I hated the process of becoming one of the exercise people, but it really is the lowest effort to increase in happiness activity I’ve added to my life
If you hate exercising, there are other ways to get it "for free" that don't involve tediously lifting and dropping weights over and over, etc. For example, play ball games with friends. Take up climbing (indoor or outdoor!). Rekindle your love of cycling around town on a bike. Paintball with friends. Take up a martial art. Pretty much anything that has movement as a side effect, rather than it being the 'main event'.
Running on a treadmill is fucking awful to me, I hate it so much. But running as a consequence of playing a sport or moving around a boxing ring or whatever, that's different. I don't hate running per se, but on its own? I'd rather take the L and die years earlier than I should. Seriously. Gyms and gym equipment make me want to fling myself under a passing bus.
I don't really like cycling, but I've found I dislike driving more, so replacing car trips w/ bike trips has worked really well. I get exercise, save money, I get better parking spots, and I'm not stuck in a stupid car. Oh, and I'm quite competitive, so I like to see how quickly I can get from A to B, so my heartrate stays high.
I also have gymnastic rings in my garage for my upper body. I'm not a fan of that either, but it at least feels cooler than lifting weights. So I'll alternate between doing errands on my bike and using the gymnastic rings.
I'm the opposite. Never much liked sports, and when I am not held to a pace like a treadmill does, I'll not maintain enough heart rate elevation.
So, for me, if I don't get to the gym a couple of times a week, I fall well short of the NIH guidelines.
The full report is quite clear that heart rate elevation is the most significant population-wide contributor.to general health. 150 "points" per week, which you can in theory knock out with one long (~75 minutes) high-intensity work out.
Resistance training across all major muscle groups is secondary, and really only needs one set, on two separate days each week. Your don't need to build bulk or anything, just keep then fully active. Add some weight if you could do an extra set before exhaustion.
Stretching is good, in particular if you don't reach a range of motion, you are likely to lose it as you age, but no specific recommendations are given
Gym allows me to safely play sports, run around after the dog, swim without feeling like drowning is inevitable etc
I'm not a gym nut by any stretch of the imagination but as I approach middle age I can't be as spontaneous with breaking into a run or lifting heavy things. Too many injuries and anatomical idiosyncracies have built up over the years.
The gym maintains all my muscles so I can use them when I want without injury. It's made a big difference going about 2-3 times a week for 45 min. Then I can do all the stuff I enjoy (mostly all outdoors) without worrying about a tweak or a joint blow out.
I biked to work every day as my only regular exercise and was relatively happy with my body and endurance - COVID taking that away by turning my job remote only really showed me how important that daily activity is - first time in my life signed up for a fitness studio after those could open again.
For me it's the time. It takes me from 7am to 9pm to get my hours done at work, do the school run and get the kid fedded and bedded. I'm doing all the hacks I can: cycling during lunch and in the weekend, as much as possible, but it's not adding up to enough. You just get a good routine going and then they throw in a school holiday to wreck everything up.
Can confirm. Health nuts dont seem so nutty anymore.
And then after some time, you come to expect your body to feel sore, and when your body doesn't feel sore that feels weird. So you do exercise for no other reason than to feel sore again....
Yep, I get no positive feelings from exercise. I do it to keep my blood pressure down and I fucking hate it. People say after a while it begins to feel good and you look forward to it and I want to punch all those people in the face. I started about 4 months ago and I've hated every day I've gone.
Exercise fucking sucks. I get hot and sweaty and feel like shit afterwards. The only positive emotion is a vague sense of relief that it's over when I'm finished.
"Jogging is the worst. I mean, I know it keeps you healthy; but God, at what cost?" -Ann Perkins
Well, there are a lot of exercise options, surely you haven't tried them all...
For example, I like riding my bike to do errands. Not only do I get exercise, but I also save some money, cross off items from my list, and feel hardcore. I don't actually like cycling, but I hate driving more, so being able to get my exercise and avoid driving while doing errands feels like cheating.
This is my take on your comment but going to the gym and doing exercises does the same for me. I did it, I knew why I did it but I fucking hated every second of it and didn't get any high.
On the other hand, even middle level exercises in rugby or cycling gets me that high, fucking love it. It doesn't even matter if I'm good at it or not.
Sometimes, it's more about the sport than the exercise.
I get hot and sweaty and feel like shit afterwards.
Have you tried swimming? Hot and sweaty definitely won't be a problem there.
For the record though I also hate cardio. It's fine at levels which I can sustain for hours on end, that is, not jogging pace, definitely not interval training, but hiking pace. If you want interval training without grinding your brain field sports might be an option, it's different when you have teammates and a ball.
I had the same problem. Then, I was prescribed a medication used to increase dopamine, and adrenaline, production, and now it does.
Not saying this is some trick to make exercise suddenly release a bunch of endorphins, but it very much did that for me, and when I told my doctor about it, she said that was something that commonly reported. It has even been looked into as a performance enhancing drug, by a number of sports regulation organizations.
I never got a runners high before 10k or so. But even then it's not a "high" it's a strong feeling of well being and the sense that I could keep going indefinitely.
Now that I don't jog so much the mood improvement I get from regular exercise is even more subtle, but I still feel it's significant.
I used to be like this, then I found a competetive sport I really like and now get that feeling after a game. It's also way more social than just running around aimlessly by yourself. So
The thing to adapt to with this information is goal maintainence, and improvement tracking.
I HATE exercise, PLUS the humilation aspect that got pushed into me growing up as a fat kid.
The thing that gives one good feelings for me, isn't the exercise, it's the improvement that gives/gave me pride.
Instead of group exercise, I started doing bouldering. Going up the difficulty levels, being able to literally get over obstacles made me feel proud of my achievements.
Try tracking progress. it could help give you pride and self esteem.
Started walking 10k steps a day after seeing myself in pictures and hating how I looked. I'd been fairly active in the past, but some injuries sidelined me. I found getting out and walking was much better for my mental health and creativity than staring at a screen. Embraced the zen of walking when it was cold or rainy out - I'm lucky to often see animals around me that I know most people near me are never seeing. Now instead of dreading exercise, I have the opposite problem of getting restless and pissy if I don't get my walking or biking in.
Imho, anything you can do to increase overall bloodflow is beneficial to your entire system. One of the reasons caffeine makes us feel good is the increased bloodflow. If that can be increased without drugs, youre one up on the masses. Enjoy it dont hate it
This is the advice (audiobook) I heard way back and it worked for me. Specifically, I listen to podcasts, but only when I'm working out or comminuting to the workout.
Eventually you get invested in whatever you're listening to and want to just listen to it, but the workout limitation means you have to make time for exercise before you get your fix.
I try not to listen to audiobooks unless I am walking/shopping just so they last longer.
It's a bit difficult for me to find something I want to listen to, I like a very specific type of writing and I seem to stick to it and look for similar.
I mostly listen to Terry Pratchett's books and at this stage I have listened to most of them a few times.
For hundreds of thousands of years, we spent 2 or 3 hours a day hunting and gathering, then chilled out and had fun the rest of the time. That’s what our bodies are designed for.
Those numbers are off, and there's some studies showing that what people simplify to "chilling out" was also work, just done in groups back at the settlement. For example, preparing the animal you caught for eating, using the tools of the era, takes time. Unfortunately there are a lot of people understanding only the bare bones cliffnotes of historic life, then using it as fuel for their (justified but somewhat misinformed) campaign against the workload expected of us in modern life.
That said, the general take away is correct: humans used to be far more active in the completion of their daily duties.
The 'age of 38' thing isn't even due to infection ir disease, or even a thing at all. 38 was the average between the high number of infant deaths and the normal lifespan of someone who didn't.
Ok, women giving birth skewed it a bit too. Men didn't die in battle as much as people think, since most battles were decided when a small portion of the losing side died and the rest fled.
I've tried eating salad. I like salad. I eat about three or four kilos of salad a day. Five, maybe. Six, if I'm hungry. Rarely more than eight. Hardly ever ten. Still not losing weight. Diets are such bullshit.
Couple of pizzas, a kilo or two of mac and cheese (I've heard carb loading is a thing athletes do), thirty or forty chicken wings (white meat protein, right?), half a dozen burgers (red meat for the iron content), and a millionaire shortbread traybake (helps with success visualization). To drink, I keep it purely healthy and have a half gallon of Sunny D.
But that's just lunch, I have my main meal in the evening.
People who try to start an exercise activity very commonly do too much their first time(s) at it, and end up injuring themselves or hurting too much which makes it hard to continue and even harder to start doing it again after they inevitably quit. The best thing to do is to start with something absurdly small - like biking a half-mile, walking (or running) 200 feet, or driving to the gym and then driving home without even going inside - and then very gradually ramp things up. The most important thing is to establish exercising as a regular habit, and then worry about turning it into actual physically effective exercise later on.
I dislike exercising, I often have to "parent" myself into starting, I have to fight the urge to stop several times during a session, and I almost always feel worse immediately after. Sore, tired, sweaty, or various other uncomfortableness, and I haven't found a recovery activity that erases that temporary badness.
But, my life when I'm not exercising has gotten better, and it's at least partially due to the exercise.
I'm not sure why but I find pretty much all excercise mind numbingly boring. I found that walking my dog in the park is a lot more stimulating mentally because you gotta look out for your little critter and she always does interesting things. The only thing is she gets cold easily so I can only walk her properly in the summer...
I might be a little more country than this community, but exercise to me is grabbing wood from the local yard waste site to split by hand. Some good clean fun to clear the mind and keep the body strong, and just the right amount of danger to keep it interesting. Not to mention the lifetime supply of campfire wood.
I maybe just might also like to grab wood that requires a chainsaw because chainsaws are neat(fricken awesome). It actually takes all my restraint to not start a rampage through the local woods. It's addicting, the chainsaws not deforestation. I'm a tree hugger by nature and deeply conflicted by alot of human's creations.
I grew up in the country and I don't mind the shit you're talking about at all, but I never got this whole zen bullshit thing people claim to get from it lol. Wood needs to get cut, I cut it. GG.
I get what you're saying and maybe zen or meditation isn't necessarily the right words to describe it. More like a stress reliever. Like a punching bag with a productive outcome that adds to its satisfaction. For me, the wood does not need to be cut, yet I cut it. Maybe someday I'll need firewood and I'll be ready.
100% agree. It's practically meditation. I grew up a little more country, and I miss clearing out trees and brush, then making a burn pile for the stuff you're not keeping as firewood.
I’ve tried to find a nice balance of exercise. I always figured I was supposed to go to the gym and lift and run on treadmills and do push-ups. I’ve honestly found that a simple 30 minutes of walking is all I need
I hang out with horses 2-3x a week and if I can't go for any reason, I actually feel like shit physically and mentally until the next time I go. I also burn like 2400-3000 calories when I work with the horses, so it's hella crazy exercise for someone who lived a totally sedentary life until I started doing this horse stuff about 4 months ago.
The idea that I could be doing less activity than walking 3 miles a week and not understanding how bad I'm feeling because of it... Is extremely depressing. I'm so glad I figured this out like 12 years ago!
The initial comment resonated so much with me, that I feel the need to answer, even though I wasn't even asked: YES
A few years ago I was in a really dark place. I lost 3 kg in 2 months and when I wasn't at work, I was lying in my bed on the verge of crying, half-listening to YouTube just to scare the thoughts away.
But the thing, that finally got me out of the loop, was getting myself a houseplant, after watching a plant YouTuber for a while. And when I got home, rather than cry, I obsessively cleaned every speck of dust off the leaves, measured the soil moisture with a stick and just watched it be. And something just clicked inside me and I realized that I had found something I wanted to do; probably forever, if given the chance.
Still have the same plant; cut, repotted and propagated. And while I'm at a much better place now - physically, mentally, financially - just thinking about giving that (houseplants) up feels like going back.
Kurzgesagt did a video on exercise! It's a good watch, and it shows that while exercise is not a cure for all that ail's ya, it does increase your overall quality of life.
Of course don't overdo it- during lockdown I began to run a 5k a day during my lunch break. I set Sunday as a recovery day, but still I was 25 and had the last bits of my "made out of rubber and magic" era, so ya know, I'd stretch for 60 seconds and call it good.
I'm still very active, and I switch between running and climbing, but only after being sidelined for 2 weeks to take care of my IT band. I now have to stretch for a good 15-30 minutes before and after. My recovery day now is a good yoga stretching session.
Thank God I am self employed so I have time in the day for it, but still, exercise is awesome but you need to be careful and do it right. You only get one body, so take care of it. It's the best instrument you will ever own.
Anyway, time to hit the wall with my buddy and then grab an IPA. 🍻
I used to stretch for 30 to 45 minutes before a run (5K to 10K) and I still found the running part to be incredibly painful. I couldn't understand why I found running to be so unpleasant when 50 mile bike rides were no problem for me, and I eventually considered the fact that I never stretched or warmed up at all before a bike ride. I tried not stretching before a run and the pain went away. There is a growing view in exercise physiology that static stretching before strenuous activity is not good for you.
I'm one of those forever-exceptions to many rules. I don't doubt that exercise is good for me, but it has never made me feel better or happier. Lots of people report pleasure from physical activity, but all I ever get is pain.
Oh, and no, I'm not a disgusting slab of fat, my BMI is 21.
I used to exercise quite a lot, I know what the runners high feels like and how being sore and able to use motion and stretching to alleviate the soreness felt so good. I could easily lose myself when I exercised.
I don't get that anymore. I have bad joint pains, I never get that high feeling anymore, and everything is a distraction. I want to go back, but whatever happy chemicals used to work no longer do and what's left over makes the whole endeavor feel the opposite.
I was single when the pan hit and had no car so I was super isolated. I lost 25 lbs walking and listening to podcasts. I regained that weight when I got a car, got a partner, and moved to a place that isn’t conducive to walking (rough neighborhood).
The expression you can't outrun your fork has hit me hard. I'm up 30lbs since I started running a decade ago, some of it's muscle, but most is I just need to eat better.
It’s for sure my diet. I eat alright, but really suck at dieting, which is why I took up running nine or so years ago. It was great at first and I lost 70lbs but now I’ve gained at least 40 of that back and still running a lot.
I just didn't gain weight all of my life until my 40s no matter what I did, so I think that's just y/our biology.
From what I've been hearing lately, exercise might not cause you to lose much weight. There was a kurzgesact video giving a vulgarisation about it anyway, so take that as you will.
But exercise is still really really good for you, especially your mood. Just don't count on it alone if you have other body goals
There's a new theory going around that we age stepwise at 44, 60, and 78. Plus/minus a few years, individually, because biology is fuzzy.
And exercise isn't very good for weight loss. There's about the same calories in a 15 minute run as a 12 oz beer or a 30 gram "serving" of potato chips.
Unfortunately many of those "exercise people" this tweet is referring to do not take any disabilities into consideration. I can't tell you how many people have told me to just "go for a walk" when my disabilities require me to do specific exercises from a horizontal position. At some point I might be able to do slightly more intense recumbent stuff (very slow, low resistance cycling) but walking/running will unfortunately never be something that helps me. And don't get me started on the HIIT fad. I would die lol (not joking though)
Yeah, if you mean laps etc it'll be when I can move up to more intense stuff. Right now I can basically sit and float around.
Right now the exercises I do feel like I'm doing nothing (until later, then I'm exhausted for days). It's frustrating because before all of this happened I was doing a lot of incline and strength training, which I can't do anymore. The exercises I'm able to do now basically amount to a few flutter-like moves and some shoulder work. Even that was too much this week so going to have to tell my trainer we have to pull back even further.
Counter-example: tried to exercise, ended up doing more harm than good. Walking always made me barely able to move for a couple of days and continued trying, even once every few days, still hurt me, got worse, and I think it's responsible for how I am now (severe sciatic nerve damage).
That sounds like a disability and definitely is not normal. Far from a "counter-example", especially when the overwhelming evidence is that being sedentary IS harmful
I'm sorry that your experience has been crappy. And yes, not all strong exercises are great for everyone.
Still, there are advantages for not being sedentary and being active, as in light exercises does not have to disable you for days. You should look into that as it is not necessarily common.
I can walk rather long distances even if sick, but that's because I've been doing that a lot in my childhood. Not so often today - but the parts about correct posture and movements and breathing rhythm are still very useful.
Try with something so small that you don't even get tired, just feel heated up a bit. Do it every day. When that effect stops being notable, increase the load so you feel it again. Keep doing that, and in 3 months your life should be better.
Of course, I've never been able to keep doing something regularly, so this is just repeating advice often heard (and correct in terms of your body, but not in terms of executive dysfunction and what it does to one's ability to exercise regularly).