YSK: Lemmy browsing app Boost is tracking your data for profiling and more! Consider using other trackingless Lemmy apps such as Jerboa or Voyager
YSK: Lemmy browsing app Boost is tracking your data for profiling and more! Consider using other trackingless Lemmy apps such as Jerboa or Voyager
According to the tracking scanner Exodus (can be found on F-Droid), which keeps an updated database on trackers and runs your installed app against its register, you can track what apps are tracking you and clues of how. Saw that Boost is tracking me and uninstalled it and went straight to Jerboa. Jerboa is pretty similar to good ole' RedditIsFun-app and easy to use, so I am personally recommending it.
From F-Droid:
Exodus (Exodus show you trackers and permissions in apps installed on your device.) https://f-droid.org/packages/org.eu.exodus_privacy.exodusprivacy/
This is a rather sensationalist headline.
Every so often software developers need to eat food and live beneath shelter.
The developer of Boost @[email protected] provides a free version that's supported by ads, or you can purchase an ad free experience for a one time cost. That's been a standard business since forever.
There isn't any grand conspiracy here.
Yup, the dev commented on this a while back here:
https://lemmy.ca/post/6072534/3382664
Dev here.
The dialog and its content is not created by me, it is a standard solution from Google to comply with GDPR and other laws. More info here: https://support.google.com/admob/answer/10114014?hl=en
The consent dialog is also required by Google AdMob to show ads, and it is shown when the ad network is initialized.
When the app launches, first it checks for the remove ads purchase, and if it is not present, it will initialize the ads sdk. The ad network is not initialized if the remove ads purchase is detected.
Boost for Reddit was using the very same ad networks and consent dialog.
(In fact they've commented on this a few times)
I personally liked Boost, and paid for the ad free version to support the development. For what it's worth, I've also donated to / bought a few others for similar reasons, and I keep a few Lemmy apps installed so I can test things out on the admin side.
Without recommending any particular app, I'd recommend this site, which lets you compare and filter by the factors that are important to you: https://lemmyapps.com/
If you want a guide for new users, we have one here (tldr it links to the site above): https://fedecan.ca/en/guide/lemmy/for-users/mobile-apps
https://www.lemmyapps.com/ is a neat comparison site, but I'm not seeing any criteria around use of tracking data; is that just implied with the free vs paid column?
Developer's needs are pretty simple, however. Keep clean straw for bedding, fresh coffee, and unimpeded access to an Ethernet jack. Your developer can have gummy worms or beer in small quantities, as a treat. Of course, the bulk of their diet should be ramen/developer chow. A simple correction, such as deleting system32 or not properly shutting down Linux, is usually all that is needed. They'll provide you with years of faithful service.
Adopt a developer today!
I paid for the product, I encourage and support products i like instead of seeing ads, whenever i can.
Just bought the ad-free version. It's easy to forget developers need to eat too
I agree with you however I think we can built a better internet and the fediverse is in my opinion part of it. However I understand that it's hard to live on providing a free service, hoping for users to make donations to cover your spends and making a fair revenue is dellusional. I don't have the magic recipe for making great revenue from a free apps without sacrificing users digital integrity. However I think it's fair for Lemmy users to know that some clients could behave like proprietary closed and centralized plateforms such as X and Reddit.
The author should have noted that users could pay a fee to disable ads and analytics because you can. He certainly didn't knew this and that's making it unfair.
Honestly I don't like extended analytics such as this and that's one of the reasons I'm not using Boost. I rather send some sats (bitcoin) to free and open source projects I rely on. Not everybody is like that and I can imagine that many projects I've financially contribute to aren't sustainable businesses, I wish there was another way than enabling global surveillance for people that couldn't afford paying. Privacy shouldn't be a privilege yet it is.
TLDR ; Yes it's standard business but Lemmy users and devs making great free product deserve better !
As the other comments are saying, this is made very clear when you launch the app for the first time that it is ad supported, and you can donate a small amount to get all tracking and ads removed.
Love the app and I want the dev to continue development so I paid for the ad free. Devs are people and need money to live too, you know this post was just sensationalized for your own clicks.
Lemmings have a huge obsession with shit being both free and adfree, youtube is the most baffling one, they refuse to pay for it, then bitch about the ads, it seems they are entitled to having VoD delivered to them anytime anywhere in the world got completely free.
Youtube shouldn't be baffling to you if you pay attention. Youtube still hoards tons of data and tracking on top of its ads. And paying doesn't stop that. Also, they removed the option to pay to remove ads but skip all the other stuff. They removed that option right at the same time they started their war against ad blockers. Combine those points with the typical enshittification and we wind up with a service that doesn't deserve your pity.
For me at least, my objection with YouTube is that Google takes a cut. I'd much rather contribute an equivalent amount to some creators via patreon and adblock the site.
Also I'm not saying the host doesn't deserve a cut, I just think that corporations like Google are a general pest that should be eradicated
Lemmings have a huge obsession with shit being both free and adfree
Not sure thats very accurate. There's a healthy percentage who donate to instances and developers, because on open source platforms/services/software you don't have just trust no ones selling your data for their profit and its good to support that.
If Google open sourced their clients, got rid of adverts and all tracking and stopped selling or giving away user data but charged a reasonable fee I'd happily use YouTube.
I'd pay for Youtube if Google would guarantee to not track me. I donate to open source projects that I use, rotating every month whom I choose to donate to. I even donated to Manjaro recently even though I don't use it any more, but it was something I had used in the past and I was poor and couldn't donate them then. But I refuse to feel any guilt for watching Youtube for free.
Well yes, I'm just gonna watch Youtube videos ad free, how did you know
Same! Boost is awesome and it was a no brainer paying for the ad removal
Ya... I just bought the app. It was like 6 bucks? Totally worth it since I use it all the time and I want to support the dev.
Yeah there is a dialogue on first launch telling you it's ad supported software and that you can pay a small fee to remove all ads. Your post here is old news about an old strategy and throughout the comments here you claim it's secretive which is false.
It's a charitable reading to say you're uninformed. I would lean more toward you wanting people to be misinformed about Boost, because as others point out, its ad support is called out in multiple ways before you use it, but you don't care. Instead, you choose to call this completely common and standard way of supporting an app "predatory" and "secret", neither of which near truth. Op, is your account the alt of the Sync dev or something?
Op, is your account the alt of the Sync dev or something?
I wish that was the case. @[email protected] - the Sync dev - has been MIA for over half a year now. Which sucks, because Sync currently has a breaking bug causing it to not show posts as read, making it mostly unusable. I had to cancel my subscription for it that I was happily paying for before to support his work.
You were happily paying it before then? He's done this so many times. I gave up about a year ago when he made markdown work in titles, which no one asked for, and then disappeared again. Everyone who started a title with a hashtag had a giant freaking heading font for a title.
And spoiler markdown has never worked right. It always used the reddit style. It would even change proper Lemmy spoiler tags into reddit ones when you editted your comment, ruining the spoiler for tag for literally every non-Sync user. That made me so fucking mad!
I took the time to try out every other app at the time and settled on Thunder. It's just as good, it's in active development, and it's free and open source, so it can never be abandoned like Sync is. Anyone can fork it if they had to, and keep it going.
It pisses me off so much that Lawson had the audacity to charge $20 for a broken port of Sync for Reddit and then disappear with severe open bugs for months at a time. I wish I could get my money back. What's fucking scam. I can't believe anyone still uses that app.
YSK also that the paid version does not have ads or trackers
And, importantly, If your account is paid it never even loads the libraries or initializes the ad systems so there is zero data going to these trackers.
I don't use this app (I use Eternity), but there's nothing shady going on here. Developing an app isn't free and it isn't unfair for the developer to want to earn a living.
How do you know if you paid for the app? Can't find that section in my profile and I don't remember if I did.
Well simple, have you seen ads?
You can do a one time purchase to remove the ads and tracking you know, monetising an app without ads is hard.
You're being downvoted for providing true information that disputes sensationalism. This place is truly fucking weird
Do you get a tracker-free software version, or just an ad-free experience?
The Dev confirmed that the trackers which are part of the ads plugin are not loaded when purchasing the app.
You’re not wrong but.. gestures broadly at the other available apps that don’t do stuff like this
It would also take some huge scandal before voyager ceases to be the absolute king of lemmy apps.
Performance alone i have yet to see anything get close.
Ceases*
As a free alternative, it is unfortunately cluttered with ads and tracking features.
Moreover, it employs a predatory strategy by removing these inconveniences only if users opt to pay, despite the existence of equally effective free alternatives.
This approach can confuse (especially new) users, potentially leading them to choose a less favorable option due to lack of awareness.
For sure, it's worth letting people know if they aren't aware. It's been a while since I installed boost, but I remember there being very clear messages about the ads and tracking, explaining it was to compensate the developer for the time he spent converting the reddit client to lemmy, and with the option of a one time fee to completely avoid trackers and ads.
While I love it when things are truly FOSS, I understand that I pay my barber and my plumber for their time, and I don't have a problem paying a one-off fee to buy software I want. What is exploitative are many subscription models, and all software that takes your money AND still monetises you (looking at you microsoft).
It's good to make people aware of genuinely free alternatives. But I used jerboa, voyager and a few other lemmy clients and I'm much happier with Boost and it was worth every cent.
It's pretty obvious, nothing is secret here. This strategy has been 1000% standard for like 20 years now.
"predatory". You are really stretching it. A full screen message is displayed on first launch explaining the options.
I mean if a free software that is funded via ads using tracking for their ads (a required for ad networks after all) is "confusing" to users, I honestly don't know what to say. 🤷
Also what would be that less favorable option? Paying a dev? What a horrible fate indeed. 😅
Lol, it's not like they have a monopoly (a big base sure).
What they do is transparent, they let you know upfront, and the price for the app it low.
I'm not saying I like that model, so I don't use Boost, but this is far from megacorp strategy.
I don't like them because of the (ad) monetisation with the big corpos, but that's just me going 'eww', not me looking at Boost holding a gun to users saying this is the only way to interact with Lemmy.
(I go much more 'ewwwww' when I have to install an apk from Google store, via eg Aurora Store)
Also long live the (un??)dead Eternity, rofl.
Also, always use open sauce repos.
OP, you suck. This has been (falsely) reported before, and every time it gets shut down as fear-mongering. I really doubt you learned of this, did any kind of source checking or just looked it up without seeing the MANY disproving replies that are always there.
I've seen this enough times, this exact post, to where I'm certain it's consciously done false sensationalist crap. There are several other posts like this about other apps and services that get posted every couple of weeks/months and just like here they always get told off for their idiocy. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a group or person doing much of it, it's the exact same every time.
What's the explanation? AWS sounds like ad trackage.
The tracking is still a thing, it's just transparent about selling your location and purchase history data to Amazon and the like... So that makes it OK I guess?
What a cool service, thanks for sharing. You can also check the Exodus database via web if you can't or don't want to install the native Android app.
It's also built into the Aurora Store (frontend for Google Play Store)
That's great info! Thanks for replying
I've seen this kind of post about boost several times now. It's just sad that people are just maliciously uninformed. It made me want to support the dev even more. Paying for the ad free version now.
-complains about people being uniformed.
-Does nothing to inform them.
Because other users in this thread have already given the relevant info.
I love how this post just contributed to more people paying for the paid version lol
I also just paid for no ads to support
There is a reason so many Lemmy apps are abandoned, they were free and free of advertising. Devs need to eat. I prefer the paid app model to support the devs as opposed to ads. The dev of boost has always been open about how ads work.
Good work bringing this to the attention of others.
I agree that Jerboa is good. If anyone wants another option, then Connect For Lemmy is clean, simple, and updated frequently. I'm nothing to do with Connect, just someone that has tried loads of Lemmy apps on Android, and has settled on Connect.
Connect dev here. In addition to no trackers we also have no ad SDKs, or analytics of any kind. Cheers!
Kuro and Connect are both 10/10
Isn’t it possible to provide an ad supported version without tracking?
Ads generally come with tracking, since the advertiser wants to know their ad was seen / effective. Some ad systems might be better than others, but I don't have experience there
I know Mozilla is working on 'Privacy respecting ads', which was also controversial: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2024/article/a-privacy-first-solution-that-meets-advertisers-needs/
Sync is also pretty good
It has the same trackers problem as Boost.
i mean, it's just ads. you're blowing this way out of proportion just because of some unintrusive ads.
devs gotta eat. if you prefer FOSS, that's great! i love FOSS software too! but boost is like home to me, even with the ads.
I like the dissent towards ads. Pushes more folks to FOSS.
Voyager is the best Lemmy client on iOS or Android both, with Jerboa being a close second.
I tried and disliked both of those. They worked fine they just felt bad. Bad to digging around for clients.
ive been on Voyager and i like it very much. is there a known better option, or my first choice was a solid? thanks
I always come back to voyager
It's a solid option, here is a list of great fediverse clients I made on AlternativeTo if you want to discover other great options.
YSK that, in general, you should only ever use Android apps from F-Droid unless you've got a very good justification for doing otherwise. That's especially true for generic/basic utility apps like calculators, calendars, and file managers, classic games like solitaire or tetris, and Lemmy clients.
This is completely natural common sense for you and me, but to other people its alien to live with the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset that needs to be applied to software.
Weird question maybe but are any of the podcast apps as feature rich and pocketcasts? I really like the trim silence function.
AntennaPod is like 10x better than pocketcasts. Anytime someone asks for a podcast app, Foss or not, Antennapod is the first one brought up.
I guess I'm just legitimately confused about how to feel about it all. Lemmy is free, signing up on an instance is free, people are posting/creating content for free, moderators are taking care of the space for free. No one's locking in to get "fed" through the entire chain. The arguments about abandoned apps doesn't really compute since plenty paid and advertising friendly apps go under/stop developing further as well (and the entire Lemmy eco-system is free so silly points of "capitalism better"). There's also the crux of "Apps just replace a webpage", they're really not reinventing the wheel here.
But, if people prefer paid apps, if the developers want to construct the apps in that manner, have at it. I do think spreading awareness of what apps are out there is important, and how they operate (this is YSK after all). I also wouldn't spend time in my day coming into defend organizations that want to monetize on open source community projects either.
I guess I'm just legitimately confused about how to feel about it all.
The freedom of Lemmy and the fediverse let's people choose how to interact with it.
If a user is looking for a free to use , open source, ad-free experience then that's their choice.
If others are happy to pay for an app because they prefer the experience that app provides them they can choose to do so.
I also wouldn't spend time in my day coming into defend organizations that want to monetize on open source community projects either.
OP read that Boost may contain code used for tracking, then started spewing some conspiracy that "Boost is tracking your data for profiling and more!" without any proof or any actual research.
This isn't a case of defending some giant corporation, it's just stopping tedious drama before it spreads.
If you check OPs profile they've been spreading this for over a week. When I first saw this thread the masses were heavily upvoting the conspiracy and downvoting anyone disagreeing.
OP read that Boost may contain code used for tracking, then started spewing some conspiracy that "Boost is tracking your data for profiling and more!" without any proof or any actual research.
This has actually been on my mind for a while now. Louis Rossmann and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race. He and his ilk talk about profiling in terms so sensationalist ("data stealing", "spying") that any connection to reality goes out the window and people become conspiratorial and paranoid. All reasoning about why it happens gets flattened to "they're evil" and there's no way to actually engage with the reasons.
You're missing the part where the lemmy and instance staff needs to get fed too. Donate to your instance the same as you would buy this app. If you use a free service for many hours, and you can spare a couple bucks, then spare it.
Nothing is immune to enshitification, not even non-shitified things.
To enshitify is human (it seems).
To grow past & beyond it is to stride for greatness, for the way forward for society to evolve.
Support foss you would like to see in the future, evolving into next gens.
And no, I do not mean support with ads of the evil megacorps!! I mean support by directly sending devs coffee or whatever the nice donation button says.
Raccoon is also a great alternative for trackerless Lemmy browsing, I personally prefer it over Jerboa and Voyager.
Yeah that's why I use the duckduckgo app tracking protection
Interesting
Edit: Doesn't work alongside VPN
if you have a VPN, check to see if they offer an option to block trackers and ads. many of them do.
You will only pry Boost from my phone over my cold dead hands.
On join-lemmy there is small warning for every closed source app
I remembered Boost from the good old days a while back and am using it alongside voyager. It's not as great as I remembered, so I'll probably stick with Voyager. My home network keeps me safe of ads though 😉
Nice, I'm on the same boat. Voyager is superior to boost
Aside from what everyone else has said regarding the ads: Boost is an amazing app and I don't browse Lemmy without it!
yeah the ad free version is cheap and a real delight! I don't get why these people are making such a big deal out of it
This reads like a paid advertisement.
I recommend Thunder. Always been slick and good.
I tried the others and stuck to it. But I think all the apps are great and it just comes down to personal preference on which someone likes to drive most.
Would like to throw [email protected] in the ring as an alternative
I use Sync. Does it track my data too?
Judging by the fact that the dev hasn't bothered to do anything with it in months, I doubt that it matters.
I'm not familiar with this interface, but it looks to me like it is saying Google was doing the tracking. Could this be tracking attempts made from a web view opened while using Sync, and not the actual Sync app itself? I want so badly to believe they are more privacy conscious than that. Love the app, been using it since it first came out for Reddit. Solo dev IIRC.
For what I can see, no. At least, not more than normal apps. A lot of apps comes up with the blocking tracking attempts (duckduckgo) by the company Google. Google is the only one with sync.
Edit: I have paid for the app.
Ooh, that app is fun! I also recommend Eternity for a Lemmy app (or just Fennec and ublock- not that my lemmy instance has anything to worry about)
I also love the difference in apps I got from the Play Store vs Neo store.
Also, ExpressVPN with 2 trackers? Shame. Mullvad wins again.
i use lemmy on firefox browser mobile and desktop?
Try the Photon WebApp client, there is public instances but you can self-host yours ! Still early but enjoying it so far !
What about connect?
EDIT: The dev replied below and said there aren't any trackers in the app. It looks like the trackers are actually from web sites that are loaded in the browser internal to the app. I changed the setting to load web pages in an external browser and the tracking notifications from the Connect app went away, so it looks like my original comment below is incorrect and Connect doesn't have any trackers. The trackers I was picking up were from web sites with trackers being loaded in Connect. It looks like the app is fine and you should definitely use it. It's super easy to use and looks good.
The duck duck go app tracker firewall thing their browser comes with stops trackers coming from Connect. It's a bummer cuz I like the app but I've been using a web browser more and more to access lemmy.
Glad I stick with Thunder.
I have no problems with devs making money on their work. But ads are a privacy violation for me.
If Thunder ever went this route I'd immediately fork.
Boost is great though, and the low cost to remove ads is worth it. Devs need to eat and stuff too, I just choose to support them directly instead of seeing ads.
I'm sure it's great, I haven't tried it in a while, though. I've also contributed to Thunder so I'm biased. A while back I tried them all, and personally found Thunder to be the most feature rich, which is why I went that way (and added tablet support).
Or you can buy Boost and get rid of the ad/tracking.
Boost is brilliant and other apps still have catching up to do but the competition is getting better and better.
Voyager is pretty good but mr. Voyager developer, for the love of god, add some left-right margin! I don't know why but this makes me irrationally angry to the point I simply can't use Voyager
As long as it's toggleable, cause I like the no margin
Excessive configuration can be a problem of its own (can lead to decision fatigue, for example). I think it's okay for the Voyager dev not to try to please everybody all the time, and for people who really want margins to use a different app.
Nooo, I hate useless margins (especially on the narrow side of the screen)! :D
Nice example! 😜
My favorite app is Firefox 😉
(or alternatively: Tor - its also great, many Lemmy instances are Tor friendly)
I’ve not found a similar service to Exodus for iOS devices (yeah, I know, but that’s what I’ve got) but to the best of my knowledge Mlem is a pretty good alternative to Boost on apple devices, and the best user-experience I’ve so far found
Mlem is in my opinion the best open source Lemmy client for iOS. There is another amazing client named Arctic for Lemmy that has great UX but the app is proprietary. However it seems to be privacy respecting and nothing compared to Boost privacy nightmare on free tier.
I just wanna use one that has material design/material you, so it looks good in my Android phone
Can check out Eternity
Thunder has a toggle for Material You
Voyager has two themes: one uses Material design for Android users and one uses the old Apollo look-and-feel for iOS users.
Boost is the best!
Launch the Rocket! 🚀
Jerboa is very cool and works great
They gonna know all the weird porn I look at on here. Hope advertisers need that info
This is definitely not a healthy dismissal of privacy violating behavior.
Especially in this day and age where it's being increasingly weaponized.
It's just hard to worry about some app tells Amazon what I like so they can sell me one brand of socks over another brand of socks, when I got a whole real life going on with bills, wife, kids, work, home maintenance, health, love, stress, ups, downs.
I do absolutely nothing if consequence on social media. If they wanna train their Algo on my lemmy habits God speed brother. I'm busy enough just trying to exist into next week.
I'm grateful to those who can fight the fight but for 99.99% of the population we cant participate in the fight with you.
God damnit, I use this app
Consider paying the one-time fee if you enjoy the experience, it will remove ads and tracking. You can also consider other client such as Voyager which is FOSS.
Oh, I paid for it from the start. Guess I'm fine then
Big fan Of Sync, but idk if it has tracking
[email protected] is great.
I find it funny that one app is called Jerboa which is a local delicacy in Najd and other parts of the Arabian Peninsula.
I am personally happy with the web app.
What about "Eternity"? I love it for Lemmy and no ads
Awesome and smooth UI
Eternity is good, sadly it's rarely gets update from dev
you guys are not blocking trackers?
An up front paid app for devs trying to make money off of the lemmyverse? Sure, okay. A free version by devs trying to make the world a better place? You're a literal hero. Devs doing shady tracking like this? Never ever.
i so want to downvote you
It's an imperfect world and I don't blame you.
But they're not? The first time you install/open the app it tells you that to be able to serve ads it has to track you to some extent. And if you get the paid version it doesn't even load the apk for the ads
to be able to serve ads it has to track you to some extent
Yeah but this is just a lie, they just choose advertising providers that work like that
Jerboa is better apps
ok. I don't mind. this does not bother me at all.
Stop using boost ages ago. The lack of updates makes the app
unusablehardly usable anyway.News to me. Boost is not only extremely usable, it's more so than the others I tried, which was basically all the android apps.
Or just use a browser, ffs.
everything doesnt need to be an app.
especially when its nothing but a goddamn webbrowser, wrapped in an app, with less protection.
Why use a browser?
Just learn how to parse raw HTTP responses. That’s all a browser does, with less protection.
Nope, you can't actually do that anymore since there's SSL in the way. I tried anyway, though, just for giggles:
drath@machine:~$ telnet lemm.ee 80 Trying 2606:4700:20::681a:5f3... Connected to lemm.ee. Escape character is '^]'. GET / <html> <head><title>400 Bad Request</title></head> <body> <center><h1>400 Bad Request</h1></center> <hr><center>cloudflare</center> </body> </html> Connection closed by foreign host.Of course I can curl and wget, but that feels against the spirit of hardcore reading the raw data.
They're not just browsers, they're accessing the posts via an API and presenting it in a bespoke manner with purpose-built controls.
That's good because it's faster and lower-data than a webpage, and it's easier and faster to use on mobile.
Not every app is just a web browser, that's a particular kind of lazy app created by the app hype bubble like 20 years ago.
I really don't know anything about the technicalities of apps, but you should try http://phtn.app/ on mobile, it's UI is pretty good.
That being said if there was an app for it I would totally prefer that over a webpage in my browser
Lemmy looks and works fine in a mobile browser; why do you even need an app?
Gestures, user tagging, UI improvements.
On mobile web on the default Lemmy UI, you need to scroll to the top to get to other communities and change the sorting of posts and comments, where it's way more accessible on apps.
