Amazon's modifications mirror similar actions taken by other major companies after Trump’s election victory, including Meta, McDonald’s, and Walmart
I have one outstanding order that is already out for delivery. Once I get that, I'm closing my amazon account. I'm done. Buy nothing. Vote with your wallet. Edit: account is closed. get bent Bozos.
Just goes to show how corporations actually feel about diversity and equality. They're all racist, sexist and homophobic but they all write their policy to appear like they aren't until they are allowed to show their true colours.
Never heard of the Irish Star before. I went looking for a secondary source. So far CNN and MSNBC are not reporting on this. But interestingly the Washington post is.
You can live without Twitch. Once you leave, you have so much time to do other stuff. Stuff that are so much better than watch other people play games or eat ramen in Tokyo. Go play games yourself and see the world around you with your own eyes. You can also stop ordering useless new stuff. Visit thrift stores or buy second hand online.
Just last night I was going through all my subscribe and save items and finding alternatives. I stored them in a spreadsheet (LibreOffice). My last order is already in motion and once delivered that's it. Amazon is gone.
Other changes I've made or am in the process of making:
Where I'm stuck and looking for help:
What do I do for my next phone? Android and Apple are both at the table supporting this mess. Linux alternatives seem like huge downgrades at the moment... any advice?
That's a good idea. Keep in mind that you can also install other OSs on a FairPhone: LineageOS, iodéOS, CalyxOS (unfortunately not GrapheneOS). A FairPhone can be a good hardware choice, and with it you still have the ability to choose an OS.
Was wondering what you were talking about and found this article that explains the advantages and disadvantages of Murena's e/os, so i thought id link it, in case anybody else is curious.
I've closed almost every account as well. I like Bluesky and PixelFed so far. As far as phones go, I'm just going to keep my same Android for now. It's old and I will not upgrade until I have to. I use fdroid for everything. I though of switching to Apple, but as you said, they are kissing the ring too. Sad times.
With android you can avoid the google play store so they don't get a cut of ad revenue. I don't know whether Google gets a cut of phones they didn't manufacture just because Android is on it, considering Android is open source and the manufacturers are responsible for updates.
I'm using f-droid now. A quick search shows Google makes money via play store and having some of their apps as default (to sell ads) -- so maybe that will still work for me. I'll dig in further. Thank you!
maybe it helps your conscience but it's not going to affect any of these massive corporations. it won't make a dent in their revenue and they will go on oblivious to your 'protest'. if you want to make a difference, the only way is [redacted]. when are ya'll gonna figure this out?
If enough people do this, it will certainly make a dent exactly where they don't want it to. I may be wrong, but I do believe it's possible to reach critical mass. With that said, it also helps my conscience at the same time. I won't comment on the other part other than it's already been figured out and demonstrated. Best I'm willing to do personally is voting with my wallet.
maybe it helps your conscience but it's not going to affect any of these massive corporations. it won't make a dent in their revenue and they will go on oblivious to your 'protest'. if you want to make a difference, the only way is [redacted]. when are ya'll gonna figure this out?
Wait, rainbow capitalism wasn't sincere?
I left the Amazon ecosystem a couple of years ago because fuck Bezos and it wasn't a big deal, really. Accumulating stuff is a mindset I could reason myself out of. I call it the power of No, thank you. I buy mostly second hand now and it's so calming. Saves me money as well.
maybe it helps your conscience but it's not going to affect any of these massive corporations. it won't make a dent in their revenue and they will go on oblivious to your 'protest'. if you want to make a difference, the only way is [redacted]. when are ya'll gonna figure this out?
I generally agree, but I'm not going to knowingly give money to ghouls who are trying to make my existence worse. I'm not at all against using [redacted] but I do think the idea that boycotts are worthless isn't correct.
Boycotts have been successful in the past, it just requires some solidarity and that part is what has been missing from a lot of the wider calls recently. I do think we could impact their profits. But we can do both this and sabo-[redacted]
Probably lazy graphing. I think they're trying to illustrate the difference between top 10 and 20 percent, then threw the others in as collective 20 percent bands. Pie chart might have been better.
I wonder where the line of being able to afford food and housing would be in each graph and what is the percent of people bellow that. I think that's the important factor signifying how desperate people really are.
Personally I think graph is pretty egregious as long as we have a homeless or poverty problem to discuss, regardless of where the line of desperation is. We know people are under it, and not just a few. Not to mention the high percentage of middle class that are a paycheck or two from being unhoused.
"I tried to save you from the empire by voting for the empire"
Honestly, fuck Americans and their insane discourse. Absolutely psychotic, delusional, brainwashed bullshit. You have NO fucking clue what is happening on this planet. This society is a plague on the world, just unleashing an endless series of massacres, and none of you even understand why.
The fact that you would vote for someone complicit in genocide, without even figuring out WHY, and actually think you did something GOOD. My fucking god. And nobody reply to me with this "Trump would have been 5% worse" bullshit, because I'm done hearing it. You are not the heroes of the story. You've been indoctrinated to support "global military empire lite" with your fear of "global military empire original". You sacrifice the lives of the victims of the empire for your illusion of democracy and quality of living, that never existed in the first place. Stop fucking patting yourselves on the back.
Brooooo, it's not like any of us were thrilled with Kamala either. But in comparison to Trump I was excited for her.
Trust me, we all get that both options weren't optimal, but we don't get an optimal option. We get 2 options, and one is usually better than the other. If we keep picking the better one, over time things improve.
People like you tend to protest by not voting at all, or voting third party (which is essentially the same under our current structure). If we had compulsory voting, I highly doubt Trump would have won.
Deleting LGBTQ policies is nothing compared to the slow drum of global warming that might wipe us out as a species.
I tried to save y'all by advocating for third parties, who would actually bring in the same level of EO you're seeing from Trump but instead to focus on education, military cuts, and moving towards green and nuclear
Voting third party in a two party horse race is a fool’s errand. Especially if you voted for known Putin stooge Jill Stein, who was only running to steal away votes from Kamala Harris. She knew she didn’t stand a chance at winning.
You’re a fool then. Voting for a third party has the exact same effect as not voting, and in this election, that effect was also supporting Trump. Get your head out of the fantasyland.
Its funny how these corpos were praised when they raised the LGBT colors, back then they were the moral compas of the western societies, now they're "fascist".
Maybe people won't forget that the companies would do anything in order to increase profits. They never cared about anyone rights, else they wouldn't use slave labor in southeast Asia, or Sub-Saharan Africa.
more like mask flip season. they will implement it back with the same speed they unimplemented next time democrats take charge. I think one should collect all these news and keep them for four years so one can compare the news four years later side by side with these. that is if Trump doesn't go full monarchy on USA's ass
maybe it helps your conscience but it's not going to affect any of these massive corporations. it won't make a dent in their revenue and they will go on oblivious to your 'protest'. if you want to make a difference, the only way is [redacted]. when are ya'll gonna figure this out?
Many of the boycotted corporations have faced massive losses. Enough for some of them to have cut ties or divest.
A boycott does not have to bankrupt a company. A few percent revenue loss is more than enough for them to reconsider. As soon as the losses outweigh the profits to be exact.
You learn how to hack multiple other services together, and you coordinate with multiple third parties + their different applications. There are no other feature complete competitors. The S in AWS is what defined it. The AW part doesn't matter; anyone can do that with enough cash, effort, and skill. Welcome to the global monopoly, thank you for your support by using AWS.
But if we did, it would be my greatest wish that everyone understands this was all brought to you by tolerance of Greed and capitalism.
Greedy people are a blight on humanity and mentally ill in a serial killer, society must be protected from them way.
But unfortunately, since most here still see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires that don't want to be part of society but live above it, they'll blame everything but. In that respect, maybe my first point is a silver lining.
I'm over a year ahead of you. Dumped prime when they announced ad tier is default for streaming.
The downside is waiting 2-3 extra days for them to ship something you order, if you do order through amazon. They make sure to not release any order whatsoever without prime for days to entice you to bribe them for standard service.
Unfortunately, you are still making money for companies that then pay AWS with the money you give them. Not saying you shouldn't do what you're doing, but it's basically impossible to escape Amazon entirely and use the internet now.
Yeah. I remember when the net was still pretty open with lots of small players still - and lots of giants trying to achieve dominance. Something like Netflix seems pretty cool until you don't want to give Bezos money and find out that Netflix runs on AWS. Not sure about other streaming services.
I honestly don't know what sites and services would work if AWS and a few other things (Akamai, Cloudflare) were cut out of the picture.
And not just cancel accounts, but also stop going to their website. They get ad revenue from each visit and if you buy anything from them, you're still giving them money.
Oh yeah, by all means, stop using all Amazon related services, then realize that about 50% of web services for banking, agriculture, logistics, infrastructure, telecommunications, research and development, industry, transportation, healthcare and energy are hosted on AWS
"Oh but my service is hosted on GCP"
Yeah and what do you think is the fallback in case of DRP?
Yes AWS is the standard for most of the internet, but do you think Amazon won't notice if a whole bunch of users en masse decide to stop buying things from their warehouses?
Oh the users win DEFINITELY notice when the second order effects of pulling out of current infraestructure without a plan just for dubious ideological reasons start to manifest
They have much more built out offerings, but smaller hosting providers and on-premise are always an option regardless. Obviously not including "Azure".
Well I guess it's a good thing I have begun my 4 years of austerity. I am not spending one dime more than I need to for necessities. I cancelled Amazon Prime a year ago and will be making every effort to buy whatever necessities I usually would get from there elsewhere.
I'm glad people like you exist. I've cut down spending through COVID and have been mostly in bunker mode living well below my means and paying off my mortgage. I don't owe anything to anyone outside of land tax and some utilities. I'm late to the game removing Amazon from the picture, but my last order has already been made. What sucks is I thought after a few years of hunkering down things would finally get better and I'd be in a great position to move forward. I hope more and more people join this effort. I see this as being AS important as the 2nd amendment. The right to bare arms is useless if you have to fight an entity with most of the money, major parts of the supply chain, and all the intel.
I'm actually doing the same. I'm going to really consider, to the best of my ability, and with the best information available, the political background of the things I spend my money on. If I -need- a semi-frivolous thing, I'll buy from a blue state or used on eBay. No hiring of the trades for me; if I can't do it myself, I probably don't need it that bad (I live in a red state). No Amazon, Facebook, and especially no Tesla (not that I was ever interested in the first place). I will try to support artists and other people who have a politically agreeable mission, however.
What's the worst that can happen? I end up with a giant pile of money I would have blown? I'm fine with that.
The cooperation of capital and government is an integral part of fascist regimes. They where never your friends and have no ideology beyond their profits by any means.
Are your shipping costs higher because you’re rural?
I ask because a lot of people assume going off Amazon will be pricier, but I’ve often found that Amazon prices are inflated mask the price of shipping.
I commend your efforts... But like, now you're paying exon more for being part of a less streamlined delivery logistics pipeline.
It's just like... Unless we're talking food, or basically becoming Amish, voting with your dollar makes almost 0 dent in evil. Capitalism is Bloodsport.
And even with food... Like, other than buying eggs from your neighbor who keeps chickens and buying produce at a farmers market, we're pretty much had by the balls as far as being forced to pay some evil piece of shit to exist.
You can buy much of the same, exact stuff on Temu for way less. You can buy dog food on Chewy for the same price and get free shipping. If you look around, you can usually beat Amazon's prices and get free shipping. Check out Etsy, Ebay and Mercari, Usually they beat Amazon's prices. I canceled at least a dozen amazon subscribe and save orders. My daughter picks up stuff for us at Costco since we live hours away from a store. Shop bent & dent stores, discount stores and thrift stores for the next four years.
Fun fact, almost any complaint, even one extremely minor, will often make Amazon's customer support chat assistants give you a full refund. They'll even let you not worry about shipping the item back if you say you don't want to because it's not your problem.
This surely doesn't lose Amazon money at all, and definitely isn't something that works with almost any item you buy on Amazon, of nearly any value or quality. Definitely don't do this just because you want Amazon to lose money.
Worth checking to see if the thing you are getting refunded for is sold directly from Amazon or if it's from a "store". Often times the "store" could just be some bloke trying to make some money using Amazon. If you get refunded for one of those, they take it from that store, not their own coffers.
Oh yeah, of course, but sold and shipped by Amazon (or other large brands) products are still the majority though. That or dropshippers that are adding 400% markups that don't exactly have the greatest moral standing for why their crappily-made product deserves to be sold for $40.
My rule of thumb is, if it's made by a major corporation, or clearly dropshipped, and it has any physical or visual flaws that were not likely based on the listing, or not what you'd expect for the price, then it's fair game. (e.g. gloves developing significant wear within a couple weeks, color of lights not matching the tone or vibrancy in the listing, unexplained scratches/dents that raise concern over the integrity of the product, USB speeds not as fast as advertised, etc)
I don't tend to buy from small sellers on Amazon, since I buy from them elsewhere, so I've never had to deal with that dilemma myself.
I don't think these jerks quite understand they ain't gonna shove black folks to the back of the bus again. Of course they wont start by trying that but its on their mind.
I'm proud to say that I've never once bought anything from Amazon. Long before Bezos started to reveal the depths of his psychopathy, the company just grossed me out. There's something about businesses that are that large and that dominant that just makes my flesh crawl (the same reason I never shop at Walmart or eat at McDonald's or get coffee at Starbucks or...)
But at this point, it goes way beyond that - Bezos, alongside Musk and Zuckerberg and Ramaswamy and Thiel and so on - is a direct threat to humanity. He and the other would-be oligarchs, under the umbrella of Trump's ego, are deliberately setting out to destroy the ideals of liberty, democracy and justice in order to build an autocracy in which they will be the masters they believe themselves rightfully to be, and the rest of us will be relegated to being serfs, slaves or corpses.
I haven't bought anything from Walmart, Amazon, or Target in over a decade, probably close to two. Sure it costs a little more, but I try to source as much as I can from Costco which helps balance but otherwise I do almost all my shopping from local groceries (surefine, tops) and local hardware stores (franchises I know but generally locally owned)
Maybe there's more to the Target stuff, but it's a little tough for me to heavily criticize them for pulling merch that was getting employees threatened and hurt. I still wish they'd have stuck to their guns and found a way to protect their workers. I think personally what's worse was the Bud Light debacle. They caved because of profits, not dangers, and passed off both sides.
Amazon has always been worse for me in terms of delovery times and service anyway. I only order shit there that I otherwise need to get from Aliexpress or whatever
I usually attempt to buy from other sources, but they are fully ingrained in the online market to the point that other vendors usually drop ship from them, sometimes even if there's no price difference because they get commercial discounts that consumers don't.
I haven't bought on Amazon in 6 years. When marketplace vendors from other sites ship Amazon packages to me, I usually report them. I've had two of the marketplaces reply that they had no policy against this, and I let them know that I will choose to shop elsewhere from now on.
It really hasn't been very much trouble to avoid buying from Amazon. There's no shortage of online shops, and Amazon's prices aren't always lower like they used to be.
It's been two years for me and I don't miss them. I have had good success going direct to the manufacturer. And if the manufacturer doesn't sell direct, they list alternatives to Amazon.
And honestly, I go without things too. Amazon having everything available makes it too easy to buy random crap. I don't need to have every bit and bob which makes my impulse buying generally a thing of the past.
They have a lot of government contracts for AWS. There's a reason he's kissing Trumps ass. I'm not really sure why he and the rest of them are still involved with the companies at all and not just fucking off with their millions. I'd be somewhere else not dealing with political bullshit.
I recommend going with Backblaze, they're cheap and in my experience very reliable so far.
If you're looking for other alternatives, you could get a storage box from Hetzner. It's not S3 compatible but instead supports Samba, FTPS, SFTP, Borg, Restic, RClone, and others.
I suggest avoiding Wasabi due to their strange / shady? pricing model where you pay 3 months of storage cost for every deleted file.
We have lost our rights, had our rights restricted, or have had our rights routinely violated on the following issues:
bodily autonomy -- abortion
unreasonable search and seizure -- the federal government (FBI, NSA) digitally track everyone. Cops can legally take your money and property without cause or due process. Cops selectively enforce laws. State attorneys general selectively enforce laws. The TSA (airport security) is arguably unconstitutional.
torture and indefinitely imprisoning people without charging them with a crime.
trans people's right to bodily autonomy, freedom of liberty, equal rights, equal access to healthcare, etc. Florida is forcibly putting trans inmates in with inmates of the opposite-gender and forcing trans people into conversion therapy. Trans people are facing widespread persecution and legislative genocide, depending on the US state. States are trying to make being trans a crime by calling them "sexually obscene". I fully expect the federal government will try to do the same, as it's part of the Project 2025 playbook.
our court system is overall corrupt and corrupt judges do not rule based on facts, science, what the law says, what is morally right, or what is best for the people.
the right to a speedy trial is being violated. The right to have a public defender adequately represent you when accused of a crime is being abused and violated.
slave labor is allowed and legal in this country. Prison inmates are allowed daily temporary release to work for private companies but then the prisons and government steal most of their earnings.
our human right to a clean environment is being violated. Our water, air, and land is being polluted with a lack of regulation and oversight.
rights of immigrants, asylum seekers, and others is routinely violated and now, once again, millions of people are being threatened with deportation.
black people have never had equal rights in this country. I can't even begin to list the extent of their oppression here. Racism is on the rise politically now too.
I could keep listing points for hours, if not days.
None of those are true or accurate. Maybe don't break the law, don't have unprotected sex, don't groom children, and no, there's no "trans genocide"
You didn't lose any rights. You just to can't force your beliefs on others, similar to religious fanatics. Keep your sexuality and religion to yourselves.
You can be trans. But you don't need to broadcast it. No one cares. No need for pride parades either. I think parents raising their kids to be more decent and accepting of their peers would be more effective than forcing people to accept it.
You already have rights. You just can't list it as an achievement or qualification on a resume , or expect to be hired just because you're trans.
Barack Obama was President. Proof that black people can excel. Oprah Winfrey is one of the richest women in the world. Proof that color is not an obstacle.
Education is, however, an obstacle. Who'd rather become a gang member because they couldn't pursue education?
I'm not attacking you, this is just my perspective. I just happen to disagree. I wouldn't think that black people would be proud of being hired solely because of their color rather than merit or for their hard work and education, as for all ethnicities
I think education is more important than "trans or lgbtq rights".
Abortion? If you have unprotected sex knowing what the true purpose of it is to reproduce, then you should have the child.
If you have multiple abortions because you keep having unprotected sex, that's irresponsible. Abortions should be limited to rape victims, underage females, incest, and if the mothers life is endangered.
95% of abortions are because of elective reasons. They chose to abort it knowing that they can't afford a baby or whatever reason.
Men also should realize that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancies, so they should take the same amount of precautions.
Prison inmates as slave labor? They shouldn't have broken any laws. They have to contribute to society or be rehabilitated somehow. Another interesting point. Should prison be a punishment or rehabilitation? I know it's a bit of both but which way should it teeter?
Hopefully you (we) become less miserable as the years go on.
Take care. Even if your list is inaccurate or exaggerated.
Might it mean two graphs together, for example, the top 20%, is just that, the top 20% of all and the second graph shows how much the top 10% of that 20% owns? So the top 10% of the top 20% owns however much the graph says, looks to be around 70%. Out of the top 20%, 10% of that has the vast majority of that wealth.
Sorry if I explained it badly, I'm tired and hungry so my brain isn't firing on all cylinders ATM.
Across Amazon's network, there are millions of orders a day. The sentiment of deleting your account is nice but it's a drop in the ocean. Unless there is a major societal shift, this serves no other purpose than to make yourself feel better by not supporting the business. It's admiral and way to go taking a principled position but meter your expectations. The sheer vitriol thrown at the Warehouse employees by the customer base is truly sad.
As others have stated, AWS is inescapable.
minorities tend not to want their hard earned money going directly to their own oppression. we don't necessarily think it'll change anything. it's a matter of personal principle
My statements weren't meant to be adversarial and don't take this as disagreeing because I don't. I'm on board with that. If you support Amazon, you're complicit in exploiting the working class people that get exploited by the company. If you don't support Amazon, those same workers are going to get fired to make sure profits still go up. Most people know on some level that Amazon fucks over it's workers but that has not stopped a lot of people from ordering more cheap garbage they don't need.
I've been using Ebay a lot and I find it to be way better. I'm buying directly from the sellers and I usually get stuff cheaper there. Especially when I buy used stuff that is in good condition. So saving the environment at the same time too.