Remember about a year and a half ago when no expense or resource was spared to try to rescue a billionaire with a deathwish from the bottom of the Atlantic while AT THE VERY SAME TIME over 500 refugees that could have been saved, who were still at the surface, were left to drown off the coast of Greece.
The ship had been in distress almost two days before it sank, but help didn’t come until it was too late. How many might have been rescued with one-tenth the resources that were rushed to save the five billionaires and millionaires on the Titan?
This isnt a healthcare problem. This is a global crony market capitalist problem.
This is a class
warfareoccupation problem.Fuck valuing human life on the basis of ego score.
All capitalism is crony capitalism
I'd argue the allowance of passive shareholders is what causes the biggest problems. Shares of profits should go to active employees only, unless they've fulfilled the requirements of a pension, not entities that intend to collect capital while contributing no labor towards the products/services generating the profit.
Passive income should only be hard earned. The only passive income that should be legal should be after 20+ of laboring/supporting the means by which those profits were generated, so it cannot be gamed.
Not some random asshole leeches who don't want to work showing up with chips from their last trip to the exploitation, insider info casino, demanding any, let alone all profit. People have to earn a living, it's perfectly reasonable to DEMAND skin in the game in order to make money.
Doubt the US Coastguard is going to sail over to Greece though
Lazy bastards
I’m sure the navy doesn’t have any ships in that area with nothing better to do.
crony market capitalism
also known as just capitalism
Because the police protect capital above all.
If CEOs are dying there's a potential negative financial impact, whereas unhoused people dying makes their job easier.
Dying unhoused people don't effect the economy which is why no one cares .... unless we can use them as indentured servants or outright slaves, then we could care more about them.
Slavery 4 Change
This. If you look very closely at police cars that say “Protect and Serve”, you’ll notice the fine print after that says “the wealthy”.
Barricade just looked around at US society and put the slogan on himself that made sense as a cop car. "To Enslave and Punish."
I'm starting to think the autobots weren't the "good guys." At least in Micheal Bay's Transformers.
Holup. I am certain this is going to be very good for the finances of everyone, including police.
This is why serial killers often got away for so long. Many serial killers picked their victims very specifically based on economic and social standing. Sex workers were often ignored by ignored by everyone and their killers frequently got away with it.
Even historic serial killers like Albert Fish (a incredibly monstrous person) chose to kill poor black children because he knew that the (mostly white) police force of the time would not give two fucks about a missing poor black child.
One of the most on the nose scenes in the Wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6r2a2PaQPI
The conversation (copied from IMDB)
Detective James 'Jimmy' McNulty : Guy leaves two dozen bodies scattered all over the city, no one gives a fuck.
Detective Lester Freamon : It's because who he dropped.
Detective William 'Bunk' Moreland : True that. You can go a long way in this country killin' black folk. Young males especially. Misdemeanor homicides.
Detective James 'Jimmy' McNulty : If Marlo was killin' white women...
Detective Lester Freamon : White children.
Detective William 'Bunk' Moreland : Tourists.
Detective James 'Jimmy' McNulty : One white ex-cheerleader tourist missin' in Aruba.
Detective William 'Bunk' Moreland : Trouble is, this ain't Aruba, bitch.
Detective Lester Freamon : You think that if 300 white people were killed in this city every year, they wouldn't send the 82nd Airborne? Negro, please.
That is a great phrase I missed: "Misdemeanor Homicide".
Maybe this guy will be the first serial killer of CEOs of evil companies?
That would be a real tragedy
Fingers crossed...
Ah yes, the "Less Dead"... I've heard of this
Well, it's not weird, weird. It's more like immoral, but kind of regular.
Its sweet and innocent that thinks the cops even give a thousand dollars of time and effort to investigating crimes against the poor.
Police clocking fifty hours of overtime at $75/hr playing candy crush while they claim they're investing a bike theft is something in willing to believe.
Thats why the worst time to have an interaction with a cop is within 30 minutes before end of shift/shift change.
Cause they make tons of false arrests to milk several extra hours of overtime slow walking paperwork and other bullshit.
Wrong, police spends quite a lot against poor and homeless people to "keep them in line"
In line and on display to motivate the near-homeless working class to keep going to their three jobs to stay afloat.
Someone has to weld spikes onto benches
They should close the investigation now before we waste more resources. Can't they just get another CEO? Plus its not like the old CEO is just gonna wakeup and start ceo-ing .... Not with all them speed holes.
The king is dead, long live the king?
I guess someone finally got tired of the guillotine jokes and actually did it.
They probably got tired of seeing their family die from treatable diseases.
That could be correct, but potentially it could be more personal.
Maybe the shooter themselves had an illness or condition that was expensive to maintain, or treatment was rejected. If they had nothing to live for or weren’t super-concerned with getting caught, that could be an explanation.
You guys have been joking?
It's very likely that NYPD is going to spend a lot more on this murder than an "ordinary" one, but do you really know they only spend a few thousand on an ordinary one or did you just pull that number out of your ass? Cuz I have no idea what the murder investigation budget is.
To play the devil's advocate, it is scientific fact that people are less deterred by gravity of punishment than certainty of punishment. if you understand the police's job as both preventing crime and investigating crime, than crime prevention is the more important job than crime investigation, because every victim would be the happiest if they never had been a victim. So it is logical, that if a crime happened, you want to investigate and if possible, use the investigation to prevent crime. As perceived certainty is such a good deterrent of crime, you want to be perceived as highly successful with investigations and therefore punishment as highly likely.
So that brings you in the situation where an investigation has a higher value for the police when the investigation is in the news, as a success in that investigation will raise the perceived certainty of punishment more, compared to a "unknown" crime. As the value is higher, the resources spend on it can be higher too, as long as the additional funds are relative to the additional value of the investigation.
It seems immoral to spend more resources on high profile cases, as it seems to value certain lives more but arguably it raises the safety of everyone by making punishment seem more certain.
Obvious counterpoint: If you know that they are doing that, you aren't perceiving them as successful in the average investigation and there you don't feel like punishment is certain, or more certain.
Interesting article, but it says this $17.25 million figure includes besides police and court expenses, lost time for the victim and perp, and "estimates on the public's resulting willingness to pay to prevent future violence." And I don't think they mention whether it includes incarceration costs. The detailed version still didn't shine any light on any of that, or anything about the research team's methodology. But that number definitely isn't what people are talking about when they say, "Police spend $x to investigate crime A and only $y to investigate crime B."
It's only weird if you believe the prime function of the police is to protect everybody.
If you think the prime function of the police is to protect the rich and their assets, these action of theirs make perfects sense as do many other actions (such as prioritizing fighting crime against property over stopping violence)
Fighting crime against the property of the capitalist class. They don't give a shit about your or my property.
Murica gonna Murica, what else can I say?
Like it’s unique to America lol
See sinking of Bayesian yacht recently in Italy for example
Don't kid yourself in to thinking the same thing doesn't apply wherever it is you are in the world.
I saw nothing.
Imagine being the bystander who nopes out in the video - I bet their immediate future involved a serious change of underwear.
RTO? How about DTO (Death To Oligarchs)?
Sounds french
Now the French really know how to do civil upset
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Don't you understand how serious it is to have any threats to oligarchy???? Even if 300m people would accept an offer to replace him in his job, and provide just as effective claims denials, a homeless person...
What do you think thr 1950s was? The giant boom following USA government subsidies of the middle class, courtesy of FDR. The 1950s had a raging lack of equality, and were in part sustained on the backs of women, but that’s another discussion. It would not have happened at all, in any format, without government subsidy.
From FDR to 1981, an American middle class was subsidized. American labor was valued. You could say it was one of our best commodities, for everyone concerned.
Then, in 1981, the format switched. The idea was, the most financially efficient way to run America was to subsidize the investors and corporate. As such, the wealth would then trickle down to all parts of society, enriching the nation as a whole with this fantastical efficiency. Subsidizing the middle class was systematically broken, overturned, and the subsidies were then given to investors and corporate.
American labor was systemically devalued.
Which brings us to present day. Biden did start to pick away it the 1981-2020 travesty, but fixing broken things takes time, and this broken thing will take more than a couple years to fix. Some teamsters got to keep their retirement, infrastructure will slowly feed us in years to come, but it’s not enough, and it’s certainly not something that even helps most of our day to days as of yet.
Well, that ended this year.
And now we have the people subsidized and grown fat from the 1981-2020 structure in charge.
What will happen next?
Will American labor regain its value? Will we subsidize a middle class instead of the upper tier of individuals, the very people running the show now, going forward? Or will we all be financially squeezed even further beyond our capacities?
We will have to wait and see.
Any evidence for either number?
No, but you also never see a homeless man's death make international news.
Well for one, they've said they're investigating literally every person who's had a claim denied lately, and that can't be cheap.
Have I missed something? I feel like the NYPD is investigating this the same way they do every murder.
Sure, the media is covering it like crazy, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that the NYPD is doing anything different than their norm. And the NYPD can't exactly control what the news covers.
At worst they've been told, "hey, there's a lot of scrutiny on this one, so give it a little extra attention," but that's not "millions of dollars" they they otherwise wouldn't have spent.
They don't have press conferences, raise the bridges to stop traffic out of the city, put out (this many) ground units to question and collect evidence for every murder in New York. Not by a long shot. The location of the murder and identity of the victim are playing a big factor in this. Because coverage happened, they're responding. If there were 270 news articles written about Non-Descript-Murdered-Citizen #6hey might give it the same attention.
There were 808 murders in New York in 2020. Did you see this response from those deaths, do you recall?
Have I missed something?
Yes, reality.
They don't typically immediately deploy helicopters, drones, and dogs when someone gets shot.
Have I missed something?
Nah. Just a bunch of terminally online living out their cyberpunk fantasy.
cyberpunk?
Of course it is, just look at Elon and Vivek drooling over their possibilities. Fuck them both.
The police, in their fear of having their names on searchable and public property deeds, regularly rent at a discount from the rich.
The police don't rent cheap places from the poor. The police rent from the rich. It is not because the rich are better people. It is because they have the wealth to give to the violent.
It seems to me that we as a people could press vocally but not violently at this collusion of economic class warfare to force change.
Press on the rich that enable police abuse under to cover of cheap or free rent and ANONYMITY
Stop the vassal state.
Where you are from police rent?
Squeaky wheels get the grease.
Yeah, and when the machine is specifically for directing murder, some of them are considered features rather than bugs.
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Why is it weird?
Not asking why it is unfair, just why it is weird.
its weird seeing the facade crumble a little more
I know it's not the point but Jesus fucking Christ then is not than. How fucking hard is it to notice that they're two different words?
Idk maybe not everyone has a first language of english and had english lessons.
Like english is literally my fourth best spoken language. And I’m disabked with cognitive issues.
selfresponsibility. if u rich as fuck and ppl around u are poor as fuck you might want to pay for security yourself when a country cant even protect its weakest citizens.
I've been thinking that myself. At a certain level of money, you probably ought to be treated with Telvanni conventions.
I think the word this person is looking for is "tragic"
How's this a meme?
Check the description of the community.
It’s meant to be an inclusive version of “whitepeopletwitter”.
The meaning of "meme" continues to drift. It's almost synonymous with "post" now.
Yeah dude, you're the only one who thinks the power structure in this country is weird. Everyone thinks it's good and normal. Even the killer never thought about that
Why is it weird? This shit was always happening, you're just now starting to finally notice it and wake up.
Well we could ask the same question when Notre dame de Paris burned, how many millions went to rebuild it?
I respect the arts and the building is an important part of French history which is important.
I would however say that it is interesting that we cannot raise money for charities but if an art building burn oh well... Let the millions pour in....
Maybe it's a good reason to reduce public spending in general. People act like public spending is a way to even things out, but in practice as the post evidences, the more we tax and the more the government spends the more wealth has actually been concentrated.
It surely matters how that money is spent. So a better solution would be to redirect some of the police funding to social programs.
People fall into the trap of thinking of things in broad terms like "taxes good/bad" or "regulations good/bad". There are benefits and drawbacks for each individual tax/regulation/policy/etc. What is clear is that the government tends to work for the benefit of the rich, which is a natural consequence of the influence of money in politics, and we certainly need to do something about that, but the system will be heavily resistant to such efforts.
Don't worry, nuance and complexity are things you start to pick up as you get into your 20s :)
So while I am sure the expense per person is more. Expense for rich murders vs poor murders is probably the opposite simply because of the difference in quantity.
I think the point is that "rich vs poor" should not be a distinction that matters when considering what resources to expend on the investigation.
If you start from that premise, there's really no reason to compare what is spent collectively on the murder of wealthy people to what is spent collectively on the murder of poor people.
The comparison itself assumes as given that there is some reason to divide the victims in that way.
The reality is that it isn't rich vs poor. It's media attention. Most of the time a rich murder gets more media attention which causes higher ups to commit more resources. But if the murder of a poor person got the same media attention, it would get more resources too. The issue is they don't have the funding to commit the reasources to investigate all murders at what you and I would consider a reasonable amount. So they have to hold back until it is a high profile case.
So while the overall effect is the same. The root cause is different. It's really that the people accept it and don't vote for decision makers who will fix the funding issue. Of course it would take more than funding to convert the police force into something that could perform at a level where they were thoroughly investigating all crimes. But noone has the stomach for the bill, so it doesn't matter.
Jesus Christ. Did you literally just sit there and value life quantitatively and actually hit send? Maybe you should get in line.
If you think we collectively don't put a price on life consider speed limits. Nearly no one dies in accidents where cars are going less than 30mph. Yet there is no law limiting the building of cars that can go faster than 30. The reason... commerce. The current speed limits on the roads are based on the point where deaths cross over a line of acceptable vs the impact of commerce.
Are people really acting like an assassination is the same thing as your everyday, meat-and-potatoes murder?
Legally indistinct
One is politically motivated? Or what is the "official" difference? One happens in public? But why should one be investigated with more resources than the other?
Personally I prefer assassinations over random killings. Cause no one cares enough to assasinate me.
On here? Yes. Lemmy is very anti-capitalist, anti-rich, anti-buisness. So in their eyes a possible hired assassination of a CEO should be considered a good thing. Which is kind of ironic considering I hear a lot of folks on here say how CEO's don't do anything but collect money which in that case targeting them does no good since they didn't do anything.
Pretty gross thing to say. It's like you got the point and said "yes this despicable moral failing is justified because it exists. Can't argue against that. Checkmate!"
