Conservatives push to declare fetuses as people, with far-reaching consequences.

If you think about it, isnt all law about creative and novel ways to twist wording to get around it?
If we couldnt bend the law to our will there would only be one law and it would be: 'dont be a cunt'.

No one has ever chosen to be conceived and yet we're still forced to live by the rules of society.

I don't understand why the five year old would have any charges against it in that scenario, they too were a victim. From the moment they were tossed, any forthcoming damages and assaults are placed on the person chucking said child.

Easy one, next question I like these.

Bad analogy. The father would be charged with assault on the kid and the woman in your scenario. Also, no one reasonable thinks a five year old and a fetus are the same, which is why these laws are fucking ridiculous.

Just wait until Texas rules that the fetus was an accomplice, and gives a pregnant woman a double sentence.

Big brain

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How the fuck would they even do that. Stopping fertilization isn't killing a 'person' as defined by them either.

I didn't think they let it get to fertilization. The copper ones kill sperm with ions and the others, I thought, were just slow release hormonal BC.

It's easy to bring a baby to a facility and say "I can't do this." There is no punishment for doing so.

It's much more difficult to leave a fetus at a facility and say "I can't do this."

It is also very difficult to get a 3rd trimester abortion unless there are some major health risks involved. During the 1st trimester (when 95% of abortions are performed) the fetus is physically incapable of feeling pain.

Yes, because it's trivial to simply leave the baby at a fire station. The important distinction is that it's drastically easier to carry a baby for 10 blocks than 10 months.

Yes because you have an active duty to seek continuation of care when leaving someone helpless. It’s like walking away after trying to help an unconscious stranger when you learn they need cpr. You don’t necessarily need to give them cpr but you should have to at least call 911 for them

She is not and should not get in any trouble. If anything the decision should be celebrated, as long as we’re talking about a safe dropoff at a hospital or other safe haven.

The child will go from a mother who was in a situation so bad she was willing to give up her baby, to most likely a couple that’s been waiting years to adopt and are dying to be parents.

Yes, because that baby is helpless and is her responsibility to take care of. It's also an actual person, not a potential person like a fetus is.

I can't see down votes (blahaj user), but I hope you weren't downvoted to oblivion. It's good to ask questions that examine one's beliefs and those of others. It's a great way to grow as a person. I personally believe the more difficult and awkward the question, the more it should be considered.

This is the plot of Baby Driver, right?

Edit: I'm stupid, I was thinking of Fetus Driver

I stopped before the police officer arrested the woman for violating homelessness laws.

I miss the internet of the era of Domo-kun memes.

Hmmm. Who gets the mass murder charge for all the sperm after sex??

Just kidding, this is America. The woman gets charged.

Wait til you hear about the Cronus wannabes swallowing them all whole! Despicable.

Just do it on your own time.

Put the child in a foster home that preaches that this was all for the best. They are only fit caregivers if they share this belief. In 10 years use the child for propaganda about God working in mysterious ways.

May still be possible. We don't know what his skin color is.

Only if he’s a white, male landowner.

They're also fighting or have recently been fighting minimum marriage age laws in like 12 States.

That is... a stupefying description of what is written. I had to read the torah in primary school. Half a day, every school day, one book per year, (two for Leviticus), in Hebrew. I was confounded. I thought maybe Rabbi had us skip that part.

The part you are referring to is referred to as "Sota" which describes a magical ceremony where in a man would bring his allegedly unfaithful wife before a Beis Din, and she could drink a magic potion, snickeringly referred to as "sota water," to prove her innocence. The logic goes that if the woman was unfaithful, "these afflictive waters shall enter your innards, causing your belly to swell and your thigh to rupture" . This could be taken mean an abortion, but in my grade school class, we were very giggly, because we thought it meant she would explode.

Further, the potion is described being water, dust from the tabernacle floor, and an invocation written down and dissolved in the water (Number 5: 17, and 23), and is explicitly stated it won't hurt an innocent woman. (28). This passage does evoke abortion. But it describes a magical ritual that it claims will only cause abortion in unfaithful women, and the potion provided wont cause anyone to abort (although it is gross). Claiming in instructs an abortion is a massive stretch.

We're just going to have to also legally classify pregnant people as car seats so they can drive to work.

Ah, good point. But doesn't that mean that the pregnant woman can't ride in the car at all, since the young "person" inside them doesn't have a way to be put in a seat?

It looks like Florida and West Virginia have no seat laws, so pregnant woman in the carpool lane are good to go there!

Couch boy wants to give parents an extra vote for every child they have. Now, he doesn't say how they are split between the parents so a) probably goes to the father and b) not if the kid has 2 moms or 2 dads.

Ok, then start issuing them social security numbers as soon as they've confirmed your pregnant so parents can start applying for and receiving benefits before the child is even born.

Not attacking you, but I hate this fucking argument about fetuses being people: if they're people at the moment of conception, then they need to be treated as such. Conservatives can't have it both ways, despite the fact I know in their minds they can.

On an unrelated note: I think it's time we got rid of "under God" and "In God We Trust" from the pledge of allegiance and all of our currency. We're not a Christian nation, I don't believe in a God, and shouldn't have to handle currency that goes against my lack of religious beliefs.

But half our country wants a Christian-Theocratic-Sharia-Law institution as our government, and I'd prefer they just fuck right off.

Lol, why do you people always force everything into a false dichotomy? If you have a problem with the statement, at least confront the actual argument being put forward.

Nothing they said is false, the Democrats over the last couple decades have slid further and further to the right, mostly because they care more about economic policy and decorum than protecting people's rights.

Are they better than the Republicans, of course. But that doesn't mean we can't be critical when assessing if they've met our expectations. Saying both parties need better leadership is just stating the obvious, it doesn't mean this person's urging people to not vote, or to vote for the worse party.

This country is in for some rough years if our only qualifications for leadership positions is just being better than Republicans, that bar is too low.