I believe the correct answer is not living in a society where either of these signs is necessary.
Considering we've had more than one school shooting where the heavily trained and armed resource officers stood down while children were being slaughtered, I don't think the sign on the right would make me feel any safer.
Not to mention it's just a matter of time before a teacher snaps or a kid steals their gun and shoots someone. Armed teachers can only ever do more harm than good.
The resource officer at my middle school molested a girl. I don't even think they should have guns
From an outside world perspective I just need to point out how totally ridiculous the pairing of the job title “Resource Officer” is with “gun”.
What percentage of school shooters are not expecting to die already, even without the stupid sign?
Most are but the idea is to get a large body count so they get as much media attention as possible. There are countless studies showing how the media has helped heavily drive these mass attacks.
Yes, give the overworked and underpaid people guns. There is no way a potential gunmen could now also get his gun on premise.
I'm also amazed if they actually believe any sign would stop that. These people mostly plan on killing themselves anyways.
Seriously, does everyone forget what it’s like to be 12 when the teacher leaves the room?
The teachers desk gets raided. And we were happy enough to just find the stapler.
Leave it just one single chance for one single teacher to leave their gun in their desk or unattended.
You just gonna sit there and act like they gotta be underpaid so your allegory fits? Fuckin pay them more.
How far do you think a shooter is gonna make it through a school with opposition vs no opposition?
The second sign just lets the active shooter know to shoot the teacher first.
This kind of warning only works on people who intend to stay alive, but most mass shooters take their own lives or "suicide by cop" rather than be apprehended. This just shifts it to "suicide by teacher" when one eventually arrives after the shooting has already started.
Unsurprisingly, not much of a deterrent.
Thirty police stay outside an active shooting but somehow they believe 85yr old mrs.sumer gunna break out an ar and light up some fuckin random.
Teachers also got into the career of teaching children not murdering them even if that child is shooting people.
The lack of general mental health coverage in America would mean a certain number of teachers having major mental health issues after killing a violent student, even worse if they accidentally kill an innocent bystander.
Also that second sign lets any bad actor know that they don't need to bring anything. This place will supply the firearms in bullets they need.
So parents and teachers have to spend their own money to make sure kids have tissues and crayons in the classroom, but the school has enough money to send the entire staff to recurring firearms training?
Yeah, the lack of impulse control for some teachers, would make this scenario scary as fuck. I don't live in the US, but would count the days, until a teacher unnecessarily shoots a student (by accident, because of a dispute, or some other stupid reason).
What probably happens is a teacher would misplace or improperly secure their firearm in the school, a student would get a hold of it and then start shooting. Every gun in a school is a huge risk to prevent a (relatively) infrequent problem.
Plus, let's say it goes as planned. An armed gunman enters the school and starts shooting people. Some of the teachers grab their pistols and start looking for the shooter, some of the teachers barricade themselves and their students in their classrooms and guard the door with their gun. The teachers roaming the hallways have only a basic description and location of the shooter, every student and staff member they encounter is a split second decision about life and death, the chances they don't shoot innocent people and actually shoot the perp before they get shot is extremely low. Now the cops show up. Not only do they have an active shooter, they now have multiple armed individuals roaming the halls that they have to apprehend, but only one of them is actually the shooter. What are the chances all those teachers surrender and disarm quickly, quietly and without injury? You also have multiple barricaded rooms with armed defenders to clear, oh, and there is still a shooter on the loose.
It's fucking stupid. No one with a working brain who has actually been in a public school would think that arming the staff is the correct response.
What sign will they come up with after an armed teacher snaps and shoots students?
Teachers: Please Do Not Discharge Firearms Towards Students Without Prior Approval
Or an unarmed student arms themselves with a teachers weapon.
It is like putting a sign that says "No water allowed" on the bottom of the ocean.
Unless you remove the ocean, things will get wet.
Signs are not the solution
Don't shoot children...
Or do. I'm a sign, not a cop.
I'd like to remind people that even in a maximum security prison, your safety is not guaranteed. You can give all your rights away, and still get raped in the shower.
Welcome to the shitter multiverse.
The actual maximum security prisons in America, like the one in Florence, Colorado, consist of solitary confinement. I don't think that people get raped in the shower at those. Those prisoners are kept isolated form each other and locked in a padded room for 23 hours a day.
I definitely agree with your sentiment for any prison that is lower security than Florence, though.
And the fucked up thing is that the "shower rape" prison is more humane than the "Control Unit" at ADX Florence.
Neither
None. But only one will be the cause even more chaos and innocent death once the cops arrive.
I’m not going to call anyone who has drawn a loaded weapon an “innocent”. All belligerents are a danger to me and the people I car about. If they have badges, dangerous. If they are criminals, dangerous. If they are fuck up idiot vigilantes, dangerous.
The good guy with a gun is an insidious myth from Hollywood movies. If you’re not at the range or hunting, your gun makes you a risk to public safety. And as soon as it is drawn, you are a BAD GUY.
Also consider that if the cops get called to an active shooter scenario and you're the 'good guy with a gun' that just took down the 'bad guy' .... well, now you're the active shooter.
Every single child should be within 10 feet of all times of a murder device activated by a simple trigger. The best solution to solving murder is adding more killing machines, because mistakes never happen around kids, and they're all mature enough to fully recognize the consequences of pulling the trigger at someone.
Plus every one of my public school teachers definitely were fully mentally present, responsible, and never lost their temper.
Kids can be little shits. My seventh grade science teacher Mrs. Steele threw a chair during a tantrum after some kids pushed her too far. She was not let go. Soon after they put her in charge of the musical.
I don't believe she'd ever shoot a student. I do believe she'd think it was funny to remind the students she and other teachers carry guns when the students got out of hand. I do believe she was irresponsible enough to even pull it out to be funny. I do believe that's the type of classroom where an accident could happen.
If I were a school shooter, the sign on the right says to me, take out the staff first before they realize what's going on.
Have these idiot Right wingers met some of these teachers? But then again all of the worst teachers who probably would shoot an innocent student are of course idiot Right Wingers.
Neither.
Are we going to start paying for guns and training, and not like proper school supplies and lunch programs? Like, what's the cost here? Are teachers going to have to pay it themselves? Are we buying gun safes for every classroom, too? I'm not sure a locked desk drawer is going to keep a determined kid out.
Just the sign.
Budget cuts, y'know.
I'm a college/univ teacher and I will quit on the spot if you ask me to have a gun.
"The number of school shootings is too damn high. How can we prevent this?"
"Why don't we put A WEAPON IN EVERY CLASSROOM and make the teachers responsible for preventing them!"
"Perfect! Nothing could go wrong with this plan!"
The thought process fucking baffles me...
It's only baffling if you assume they mean what they're saying.
They oppose it because it's less profitable. Gun laws that did a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists would cause a drop in sales for one of Republicans biggest donors. Although number of sales actually blocked would be tiny, the process of determining if someone is an idiot, criminal or extremist would result in millions of people simply not bothering.
They support arming teachers because it's more profitable. There's 4 million teachers in the USA and requiring every one of them to have a handgun would be a huge windfall for the gun lobby.
By asking "is it profitable", you're able to know exactly what pro-gun groups will support or oppose because it always lines up with that question.
"Cool, infinite ammo glitch!"
I'd like to remind everyone that staff shooting children is also a tragedy and that only one of these signs promotes safety. (It's not the one with staff armed)
Brought to you by the people celebrating Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero.
unironically the left one?
but like please stop letting 14 year olds buy guns.
and stop overworking them and get them professional help
What if we used the right sign, but didn't actually arm teachers? Like those fake security cameras in retailers?
Neither actually, but prohibiting weapons is a policy that when acted on can protect children
The people that come up with these things are incapable of any thought outside of the current single one in their pea sized brains.
As if you've added anything to the conversation but ad hominem.
Better hope that first attempt doesn't succeed.
If I'm a cop and you are in a school with a gun, I don't know that you aren't the shooter. So my point of view is behind the sight
I'd think the second sign would be helpful, even if it's false. Think on it: Mass murderers go for soft targets, every time. They'll just go someone that has the first sign.
Or they'll assume correctly that the teachers know very little about how to properly use a firearm during an intense situation. There is a reason military and police train during intense situations and not just target shooting. The sign is a fucking joke made by a group that doesn't know shit about the real world outside their cult of gun ownership. The second sign is even less effective than the first.
I am a gun owner, I support proper regulations. The ownership cult is an issue. The cult thinks the second sign is great just because guns are involved.
Everyone already knows nearly all school campuses have been gun free zones since the days of Columbine. The media has had plenty of coverage proving even armed officers on campus have let shooters do what they want instead of intervening, because they were scared. People are also aware now that police are not required to actually "protect" and "serve" like their slogan, so the first sign does nothing. The second sign just looks like a shitty meme made by someone that thinks they are a "badass". It makes it look like a joke.
First sign: Pwetty pwease!?
Second sign: We don' dial 911 'round her! Better hope my furarm don' go off 'fore I unholst'r it!
Weird how these teenage shooters are cold, mechanical, min-maxing, number-crunching killing machines... but they always pick their own school as the highest-ROI target.
It must be the tactical advantage of knowing the hallways.
Or... They're deep in a mental health crisis and actively want to die, and see the attack as a two-fer: kill the cause of my suffering, and then die to either myself or the police.
I'm sure a sign that serves as a daily reminder that "There's plenty of ammo here, your targets will stand their ground and not run, and you will definitely die instead of getting captured" will deter them at the earliest possible moment: Once they're already at the school, committed to dying, and packing heat.
The thinkg about this argument that always gets me is that they clearly understand the concept that weapons free zones dont work because people that dont care can just bring in guns from outside. But then unironically say "But Chigaco has gun laws and they have high crime rates!!!!" without ever making the connection.
Gonna go ahead and explain what you think you're saying here?
Haha, what a stupid meme. Let’s spread this around so everybody knows what a stupid meme this is. lol stupid right wingers
