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Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County
  • Dude, no, you're trying to change the point. My claim wasn't time-specific, your link has nothing to do with the actual conversation in this comment thread. I said that the average person thinks ALL Teslas are capable of FSD, and that is factually incorrect, there are Teslas on the road that cannot do FSD,

    Your link is about cars made after X date, you're changing the conversation to fit the narrative you actually want. Even if we go by that date though, that's what they thought at the time, it was later determined that yet another computer upgrade would actually be required, hence the 2019 date for actual FSD compatibility as it was rolled out to the closed public beta. Vehicles made in that middle ground get the computer upgrade for free if the owner purchases FSD.

    My car, made in 2018, cannot do FSD without a computer upgrade, so it is not capable of FSD as is despite being made after 2016. The rest of the hardware is compatible but it needs a newer brain. Some vehicles older than mine (older Model S/X) aren't even able to get an upgraded computer and will NEVER be FSD capable. So factually, not ALL Teslas on the road can do FSD. End of conversation.

    He called his product Autopilot and then Full Self Driving. Autopilot and Full Self Driving are two different systems, and always have been. I get that you want them to be the same, but they aren't. The vehicle makes it clear they aren't the same in the settings, the website's purchase pages over the years have shown the differences, and the support pages make it clear these are different, they are referenced as different products all the time. While Autopilot now comes on every Tesla as standard with no additional purchase, FSD is an additional cost and always has been.

    you aren’t saying I’m Elon, right, because that’s pretty insulting. I never claimed you were Elon, no idea where you seemed to get that idea. But at this point it's clear you have some sort of vendetta and are incapable of actually following the conversation due to your bias, so I'll leave it here. Have a good day.

  • Justice Department won't prosecute Garland for contempt, says refusal to provide audio wasn't crime
  • Right. Contempt of Congress charges are submitted to the DOJ to prosecute. And the DOJ has the policy to not prosecute those situations, as I posted previously.

    Executive privilege doesn't just disappear, it would still apply to everything under previous presidents as well, but it's the current President that determines whether to remove it. Biden a while ago said it wouldn't apply to things Trump's administration is being investigated for.

  • Maker of Jeep and Dodge plans to kill chrome on cars, citing risks to those who make it
  • That's usually from misaligned headlights. Most often people swapping their headlight bulb and not adjusting them. You can't simply pop an HID bulb into the existing reflector housing without adjusting the headlight to compensate.

  • Justice Department won't prosecute Garland for contempt, says refusal to provide audio wasn't crime
  • Contempt of Congress is determined by Congress, and that did happen. But the DoJ has a longstanding policy not to prosecute in situations like Garland's. And even if it did, the DoJ determined the source of the contempt charge wasn't valid, so neither was the charge itself.

  • Hardspace: Shipbreaker
  • Floating around disassembling a ship is a very zen gameplay loop. Especially if you play on casual without oxygen usage.

    I've been trying to find other games that sort of fit into that same zen loop.

  • Justice Department won't prosecute Garland for contempt, says refusal to provide audio wasn't crime
  • Contempt of Congress is a crime. That being said, this was already addressed:

    In a letter to House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Justice Department official cited the department’s longstanding policy not to prosecute for contempt of Congress officials who don’t comply with subpoenas because of a president’s claim of executive privilege.

    Garland is part of the current administration and the President has not waived executive privilege.

  • Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County
  • You seem to have missed the simple fact that there are cars produced prior to that. And the fact that the hardware announced there also wasn't enough on its own. There were additional changes in 2019 to a newer computer necessary for FSD. My 2018 Model 3 has that hardware, but I cannot get FSD without a computer upgrade. Not to mention even older vehicles that can't even accept the new computer hardware.

    So yeah, not ALL Teslas in the road are capable of FSD.

  • Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County
  • Not really. "Self drive mode" isn't the name of either of the driving systems, that could be either Autopilot or the Full Self Driving beta. The spokesperson was for the police department, not Tesla. They're unlikely to know there is a difference between the two systems, like most people.

    It's at best, secondhand info from the driver, and most likely him saying he was on the phone and the car was driving, which would be the same thing they likely said with either system running. I doubt the driver is explaining differences between AP and FSD to the police.

  • Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County
  • It is simple, it depends on what the vehicle is using to actually process other vehicles to maintain distance from.

    These systems process a lot of information, and a lot of it is pretty bad data that needs to be cleaned to remove erroneous readings before it can be processed. Sensors stream a lot of info, and not all of it is perfectly accurate. The same is true for a Tesla or any other vehicle, and filtering that data accurately means a better experience.

    Say your vehicle has a forward facing radar, and you're driving along the highway and the radar gets a return for a large object in front of the car 100 feet ahead when the returns immediately before were showing a 300 foot clear zone. Is it more likely that a large object suddenly appeared in front of the car, or that this return is erroneous and the next few returns after will show a clear zone again? Overhead signs and overpasses can show similar returns to a large truck in your lane for instance. This is one advantage lidar has over radar, more accurate angle measurements at all distances.

    So say the vehicle acts on that return and slam on the brakes because the "object" is only 100 feet ahead at highway speeds. Then the erroneous return goes away and there's a clear road again. That's the "phantom braking" I'm sure you've seen various people talk about. The system reacting to an erroneous return instead of filtering it out as a bad reading. Now random braking in the middle of a highway is dangerous as well, need to minimize that. Is it more likely a massive wall suddenly appeared directly in front of the car, or that it's a couple bad readings? The car has to determine that to make a decision on what to do. And different types of sensors will detect things differently. To some sensors, materials like paper are essentially invisible for instance but metal is clear as day. If the sensor can't detect something, it won't react.

    Note that these readings do not involve a camera at all. They inherently work differently than a human driver does by looking at the road. So many people online want to point out that sensors are more "reliable" or "trustworthy" compared to vision since there's little processing, you just get a data point, yet sensors will provide bad data often enough that it needs to have a filter to remove bad data. A camera works like a person, it can see everything, you just need to teach it to ide tify what it needs to pay attention to, and what it can ignore, like the sky, or power lines, or trees passing by on the side of the road. But not the human on the side of the road, need to see that.

    Then we get into the fact that various sensors exist on older vehicles that have been removed from newer ones. Things like radar and ultrasonic sensors have been removed in favor of using computer vision via the cameras directly, like a human driver watching the road. Going frame by frame to categorize what it sees for vehicles, people, cones, lanes, etc. and comparing to previous frames to extrapolate things like motion, movement, and relative speed. But with cameras you have issues with things like lights blinding them, just like a bright light blinds a person. Maybe the camera can't see for some reason, like a light shining directly in the lens. It takes a little time for it to try and adjust exposure to compensate for a bright light shining directly in the lens.

    You might suggest using as many sensors as possible then, but that makes it nearly impossible to actually make a decision then. Sensor integration is a huge data processing issue. how do you determine what data to accept and what to ignore when you get conflicting results from different types of sensors? This is why Tesla is trying to just do it all via vision. One type of sensor, roughly equivalent to a human but with wider visual spectrum sensitivity. Just classify what's in each frame and act on it. Simple implementation, just needs A LOT of data to train it in as many situations as possible.

    And that camera is where we get to emergency vehicles specifically. In my opinion, these emergency vehicle accidents are likely the camera being blinded repeatedly by the emergency lights rotating and the camera shifting exposure up and down every second or so to try and maintain an image it can actually process. As a human, at night, those lights make it hard for even me to see the rest of the road.

    It's not like regular drivers never crash into emergency vehicles either, they just don't make national news, just like the 33 car fires every hour in the US alone.

    It's not a simple thing, and even your "simple" car by comparison is doing a lot to filter the data it gets. It could be using completely different kinds of data than another vehicle for that cruise control, so given the right circumstances it may react differently.

    For what it's worth, my Model 3 has rarely had issues with Autopilot acting in any sort of dangerous manner. A few phantom braking issues back when I got it in 2018, but I haven't had a single one of those in maybe 4 years now, even in areas where it would almost always react that way back when I got it. Sometimes a little lane weirdness with old poorly marked lane lines, or even old lane lines visible in addition to the current ones in some areas. It's pretty easy to tell the situations AP might have issues with once you're used it just a few times.

  • Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County
  • Is that the actual time cutoff? My 2018 model 3 that came with Enhanced Autopilot was originally said to have the hardware necessary for FSD (Computer 2.5 the car says), but there were updates before FSD became actually available.

    I never considered buying it so I never paid more than cursory attention to all of the different hardware revisions, only major ones like Computer 3, removing radar during parts shortages around COVID, the Ultrasonic sensors, etc.

    Also I hadn't realized that it had actually been that long since I bought it, without most of the regular time-based car maintenance like oil changes time has flown by with it. Or that production had ramped up so significantly since I got my Model 3. I knew it had ramped obviously and that the Model Y launched, but I didn't realize how significant all of that actually was when added together.

  • Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County
  • I thought "autopilot" was only supposed to be used on freeways. And obviously assisted by a human who should have seen a fucking parked cop car coming and intercede anyway.

    It depends on which system they actually had on the vehicle. It's more complicated than random people seem to think. But even with the FSD beta, it specifically tells the driver every time they activate it that they need to pay attention and are still responsible for the vehicle.

    Despite what the average internet user seems to think, not all Teslas even have the computer capable of Full Self Driving installed. I'd even say most don't. Most people seem to think that Autopilot and FSD are the same, they're not, and never have been.

    There have been 4+ computer systems in use over the years as they've upgraded the hardware and added capabilities in newer software. Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot, and Full Self Driving BETA are three different systems with different capabilities. Anything bought prior to the very first small public closed beta of FSD a couple years ago would need to be replaced with a new computer to use FSD. Installation cost is included if someone buys FSD outright, or they have to pay for the upgrade if they instead want the subscription. All older Teslas however would be limited to Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot without that computer upgrade.

    The AP and FSD systems are not at all the same, and they use different code. Autopilot is designed and intended for highways and doesn't require the upgraded computer. Autopilot is and always has been effectively just Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Auto steer. Enhanced Autopilot added extra features like Summon, Auto lane change, Navigetc.ate on Autopilot (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation) but has never been intended for city streets. Autopilot itself hasn't really been updated in years, almost all the updates have been to the FSD beta.

    The FSD beta is what is being designed for city streets, intersections, etc. and needs that upgraded computer to process everything for that in real time. It uses a different codebase to process data.

  • In the end, I created a new mail
  • Tmy name is just common enough to never be available anywhere, until addresses were new. Got firstlast@outlook magically. Really just one guy in Australia though it seems that doesn't realize he's not getting any of those emails. I figure that his actual email is probably something like first.last@outlook and he misses the dot sometimes.

  • This qualifies as a Sandwich
  • And like all those prepackaged sandwiches, all the filling is purposely piled in the front to look like it's filled, while the back is just poorly cue sub bread and nothing else.

    Let's see a real cross-section of that sandwich, where we can actually see inside. I'd bet $10 that is looks more like this:

  • Waffle House raises worker pay after strikes and pressure from labor organizers
  • Out of curiosity, to add to my anecdotal evidence archive from server friends, did you declare all of your tips on your taxes? Or did a lot of those cash tips end up being effectively tax free?

  • Waffle House raises worker pay after strikes and pressure from labor organizers
  • Before people come in talking about how employers have to make up the difference if tips don't get them to minimum wage....

    That's based on the entire pay period, not per shift. So if you make decent tips the rest of the period, you're still being paid below minimum wage at like $3/hr for the slow time.

  • Elon Musk threatens to ban Apple devices from his companies over OpenAI partnership
  • That left. And far as I remember it wasn't a situation of being pushed out, he left on his own. Probably because he disagreed with everyone else about something.

    Ironically with all the hubbub about Sam Altman, it seems like he somehow might have not been the clear worst of the bunch. Somehow.

  • Elon Musk threatens to ban Apple devices from his companies over OpenAI partnership
  • Sort of. It's there if you already had it. Otherwise it's gone on new vehicles.

    My model 3 still has it listed.

  • TIL the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope) was actually made after a book adaptation, which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature
  • I'm sure there are some people that saw the book first. The back cover literally said it was being made into a motion picture, so clearly the publication was meant to at least partially hype the movie.

    George Lucas had a true stroke of brilliance to embrace the merchandise aspects of what Star Wars could make. The thought of merchandising movies wasn't really a thing at the time, and it's one of the main reasons he made so much money from Star Wars, he wanted the "worthless" merchandising rights that the studios were willing to give up easily. A ghostwritten novel listing him as the writer based on his screenplay releasing a year ahead of the movie could have been the very first thing he did with that merchandising right.

  • TIL the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope) was actually made after a book adaptation, which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature
  • The title is very specific, and doesn't claim the movie is based on the novel despite that clearly being what they're trying to really claim.

    The order was screenplay > book > movie, but the writing was screenplay > book and screenplay > movie. The book and movie aren't actually related, other than the underlying screenplay they both use. The Fandom wiki page linked literally says:

    It adapts the film of the same name, and it was based on the screenplay by Lucas.

    "which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature"

    With this logic, all movies are literary-based since all movies are created from screenplays.

  • Jason Kelce says Travis can’t be a ‘normal person’ amid Taylor Swift’s ‘crazy’ fame
  • Uh, he couldn't be a "normal person" without Taylor Swift either. He's a 3 time super bowl winning player. That's not "normal", even in the NFL.

  • Search in settings crash

    When in Summit settings, searching for "mu" causes an immediate app crash to home screen as soon as the U is typed. No option to report issues or submit feedback.

    Only have this device to test at the moment, but I can get it to do it every time.

    Pixel 6 on latest official Android 14 update. App version 1.21.2