You don't need tariffs, you need taxes. The problem isn't that your economy isn't doing well, it's that too much of the wealth goes to the top and too little to lower and middle class. It's not normal that one man has more than 250 billion.
he won't though. so enjoy your rights being taken away and rising cost of groceries.
What rights have been taken away?
Lol, groceries are about to go up. Trump wants to continue a pointless tariff war with China. It's not going to work.
The CPC is more than willing to plunge their own citizens into poverty to outlast the US. Americans complain over a 20 cent increase in gas. How do you think they'll react when most of their goods suddenly increase by 30% or more?
Chinese labor made the American middle class.
I think it's funny how Tankies pretend China is a paradise. China will absolutely starve every man, woman, and child over the pettiest of shit, there's no telling what they'd do to win a tariff war.
And the deportations will end up raising grocery prices.
"Avocados from Mexico" is the only commercial I remember hearing on tv recently. I assume those 100% tariffs he wants on Mexico would raise the price of avocados right out of most buyers budget. I only buy them when they are in season around .60 cents. Over a dollar isn't worth it to me. I've seen them as high as $2.50 sometimes here.
I'm hoping he was just spewing junk to rile up his base and doesn't actually put tariffs on anything but cars (preferably nothing)
It killed the US middle class, or better, was one of the bigger factors in doing so. The American middle class was strongest post war until the late 70s. That was when our economic policies shifted to off-shoring as much labor as possible, and when the Chinese special economic zone polices were started, in cooperation with the US. The loss of manufacturing jobs in the following decades gutted the US middle class.
Yeah, how can people not see this? The "American Dream" and times of middle class prosperity were very obviously before China opened its economy and became the new industrial hub of the world. And when off-shoring started, so did real wage stagnation/decline.
Selling the declining American middle class plastic toys did not "make" that class. What made it were stable well paying manufacturing jobs. Trump won't bring those back with a trade war with China, but the claim that Chinese labor "made" the American middle class is just delusional.
No one has found it odd that this happened around the time when a single person could no longer pay for a family for muh trad lifestyle.
The US middle class is diminished somewhat over a long period of time, not "killed". 1971 was 61%, 2021 50%. And the movement from middle class has been upwards and downwards.
Uhm... Gonna have to wildly disagree with you there, wartime and postwar industrialization and strong unions created the American middle class, globalism breaking the unions is what has destroyed the middle class.
Mass deportation of our cheap labor supply will do way more to increase cost of groceries than Chinese tariffs ever will. The cold hard truth of it all is that our entire way of life depends on exploiting cheap migrant labor. Democrats don't like to admit it because we don't like that kind of exploitation, and republicans don't like to admit it because they don't like immigrants. But we depend on them as much as we do the laborers in chinese factories, the somewhat educated cheap labor in India, the children in sweatshops in Vietnam, and so on. Our entire economy is based on exploiting someone, somewhere, artifically reducing the cost of living for us.
There's a little detail in the show that I always liked. They didn't shove it in your face and I appreciate the subtlety.
The detail is that there were actually very few groceries in the grocery store. If you look closely, the produce is always very low quality, and there just wasn't that much to choose from. It was a big deal when they got those navel oranges. Not much meats either, and they mostly got canned goods and such. It highlights how shitty their society is without going too overboard. "You might not have noticed, but your brain did."
Even more obvious in the book, where its mentioned that even the commander can't afford to eat meat whenever he wants.
Except he won't, of course.
Blessed be the fruit.
No. They hate fruits, too.
May the lord open
As a fruit, I know I’m blessed but they seem to disagree
blessed be the groceries
Definitely thought this was a statement on Amish Pennsylvania at first... cuz that's just how markets look like there lol
I'm still worried about how he's even going to accomplish that, seeing as he's also planning to deport the cheapest sources of agricultural labor.
It doesn't matter because republican voters don't actually care about the price of eggs. They only pretend to if they think it will help them win. It's actually amazing more people don't understand this considering it has been a pattern in US elections for like 40 years now.
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He'll say that he did it
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The media will treat it as gospel
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People will believe it
Not listed: prices actually coming down
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I think it'll wind up as slavery. Instead of actually deporting huge numbers of people, they'll go "wow so it turns out that's really hard" and use them as prison labor instead. You don't have to pay prison laborers.
Isn't that how the Nazi camps turned into death camps? Originally they were just saying to deport the jews, take back the country, blah blah, and then they realized how absolutely brutal it is to forcibly migrate millions of people so they turned to labor and executing the excess. Await a fact-check from a better informed WW2 scholar than me though
Simple. Prices will go up, Trump will hold a press conference announcing prices are lower, and 50% of the country will believe prices are lower instead of the lying mainstream media.
Some 1984 shit. Newspeak
The mainstream media will report that Trump said prices are lower, and not actually point out that he is a lying liar.
"Bananas have always cost $10, Michael."
Plus adding tariffs to everything.
That's easy! Repeal child labor laws and massively increase prison populations for slave labor!
...they did say private prisons were among the groups very happy to see a Trump victory. Wonder why...
I will make sure to suicide by cop before I end up a literal corporate slave, I will force the guards to kill me.
Those mass deportations are going to take a lot of money and time.
They'll probably end up turning their massive holding facilities into work camps, maybe hang signs up with catchy slogans like "Trabajo te hace libre" or "El trabajo libera" and forbid any unfriendly reporters from seeing how the sausage is made.
And what happens if he closes the border with Mexico? Is he going to disrupt trade with them too? Here in Texas an overwhelming majority of our produce is Mexican-grown
Hell, in Canada we mostly have Mexican vegetables and fruits most of the year because people want to eat the same things year long instead of eating the way people did just 100 years ago...
"Nobody knew trade was this complex." - Trump
I'm pretty sure he said that last time.
Slaves. The answer is slaves. And the framework for this already exists because prison labour is legalised slavery. They have already said they want to imprison anyone they don't agree with. Given that includes all kinds of minorities and people who don't agree with them politically, they are pretty much spoiled for choice. If you are in the US and fall under either of those categories you should be looking at how to get out.
Why do you think they're relaxing child labor laws?
I hate that republicans like saying that republicans are better for the economy when they're not
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
Republicans aren’t better for the the economy, they’re better at telling people they’re better for the economy.
The public doesn’t grock a long or nuanced list of economic policies. This is a painful lesson that the democrats never seam to learn.
That's actually true worldwide. Wanna see how an economy looks like after over 30 years of almost uninterrupted conservative leadership? Look at where Germany stands now. Crumbling infrastructure, worst Internet in Europe, industry unable and/or unwilling to open itself to modern technology (best example being the German car industry).
Even Trump admitted Democrats were better for the economy
Yep, I'm sure he still believes that. Especially when he was like the worse performing president within that last few decades
During a March 2004 interview, Trump stated: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans."
That's juhst gayr propahgandurrr
They also like trying to sabotage the economy when they're not in charge by telling others it's shit .. and there is evidence trump tried to delay deals last election
Don't be surprised if he did the same to undermine Biden this time
Well, to be fair, that graph only looks like that because the Dems always seem to inherit a dogshit economy that's been destroyed by conservative policies, then the Republicans inherit a strong economy before destroying it.
God I was steamed when Trump was praised for a good economy, when he inherited Obama's policies and when Trump's policies went into effect it caused Covid-19 lol
Yup, unfortunately people don't understand that policies only change the equilibrium, but sometimes take longer than electoral cycles to see effect.
That's why no party really gives a shit about bringing down the national debt, because twofold:
- people hate you in your term because that's less money being spent for their benefit now
- the opposition can have more spending room to provide more benefits in their term, making them more popular.
What's worse is that the public is so fucking moronic that they EVER believe a word of it. It would be impossible to underestimate how stupid voters are. Honestly. They only surpass their stupidity with their selfishness
I hate even more that everyone somehow believes them, just because they've said it enough times.
The best part is that Trump will not bring down the price of groceries.
It doesn't matter because it was never about the price of groceries.
Particularly since they're looking at produce. Who's going to pick that produce after he starts rounding up immigrants? White people? Good luck with that.
Florida and Georgia have both had crops left rotting in the fields after they enacted draconian policies about immigrants. Now we're going to see supply plummet at a national level and prices will skyrocket. They'll blame Biden for it what it happens.
I have heard a lot about the building industry saying very similar things about whats going to happen to the housing market with these policies. They rely on these people and have blatantly said they need their labour to build houses so its simple maths here.
It's a banana, what could it cost? $10?
You know, except there's no motivation for retailers to lower prices no matter how cheap the the products become nor how low their taxes are.
Correct. A dozen eggs will never be $1.40 again.
They could be... if we replace dollars with new "patriot dollars". The rate of exchange will start at 10 USD for 1 patriot $1 - yes, the patriot dollar receives the symbol that used to mean USD. Gotta pwn those libs tho! 💵
Right. Low taxes mean stock buybacks and a consolidation of wealth.
Canadian commentary:
I know it’s difficult with corporate greed and price gouging right now, I’m not debating that.
I’m worried that the food that people gravitate toward is unhealthy, ultra processed and cheaper on purpose. You need to buy MORE of this kind of food to stay full.
The US has, in my understanding, a lot of food deserts where healthier options are not available and people are pushed to eat empty calories.
The late-stage capitalist system wears people so thin that the effort to find and cook cheap healthy meals can be overwhelming if you don’t usually do this.
Portions in North America are HUGE.
There are ways to eat for cheaper but I understand that takes effort. For example, I order a $23 CDN all in produce box to my door of oddly shaped/sized produce that feeds two adults for a week. The largest box at $49 easily feeds a family of 4. It takes effort to find and locate services like this. Only available in big cities too.
I guess what I’m trying to say is it seems like the structure of society and capitalism makes the impact of corporate greed RE: groceries SO much worse.
Not to mention the wars, gas, and housing prices.
I know a lot of people are low information but since this issue in my perspective is aggravated and accelerated by so many factors, it still baffles me that people accept the solution is more Republican trickle down economics and tariffs which seem like they’re just going to make the problem worse for everyone.
Portions in North America are HUGE.
The restaraunt portion thing is... a big problem. Here's what I think is going on.
I'm pretty sure that it has more to do with profitability than customer demand, although it's gone on for long enough perhaps it's both by now. The key here is that food sales have pretty thin margins (except for soft drinks which are outrageously marked-up everywhere). If a restaurant chain suddenly downsized their portion sizes, people would realize very quickly that the price hasn't scaled down to the same extent, as the current portion sizes are inflated to mask how much food service really costs. There's a price floor to remain profitable and I think it's a lot higher than people realize.
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Kamala Harris lost every swing state AND the Senate. We live in the same country we did 4 years ago, we live in the same country that elected Barrack Obama twice.
People are paying 50% more for bread, eggs, and rent, with no relief given, no corporate greed stiffled BEFORE it hit average Americans in the face, and just kept hitting them. The average American doesn't care about economic numbers, they care about whether or not they can pay the rent.
Trump isn't going to make any of this better, he's going to make it ordinates worse. People vote for change, when faced with the inevitability of suffering they'll vote for different, come what may.
It's not 50% more though. I track my groceries closely going back almost ten years and it's more like a 15% increase in staple items compared to 2018. Processed food, luxury meat and frozen food is like 30-60% higher (my data on this is less robust) but milk, eggs and bread is not 50% more expensive unless you are buying the most expensive options.
You can literally go look at commodity market price history. Wheat is 9% above 2018. Cheese is 6% higher. Milk +17%, rice +10%, eggs +12%.
Blessed be the cheap fruit
These memes demonstrate that Democrats and people who obsess over politics online know nothing, learned nothing, and it wouldn't surprise me if four years of fascism isn't enough to change their behavior.
Yes.
Voters told Democrats that their biggest concern was poverty and the economy. They not only nominated someone with evident brain damage, but said candidate presided over severe inflation that had workers enduring 2-3 jobs just to be stuck unable to pay for basic necessities, and they wasted two months telling these struggling workers to be joyful, without any irony or concept of how tone-deaf that was.
Here in deep-red Missouri, we passed a $15 minimum wage and mandatory sick leave in a landslide. We voted down the abortion ban in a landslide. We also elected a Republican for governor and voted Trump as a state.
This should tell you that yes, the economy was in fact the most important issue on the ballot, not putting women in their place.
This should tell you that yes, the economy was in fact the most important issue on the ballot, not putting women in their place.
That's the point. Maybe if people gave a shit about the actual policies they voted in instead of believing republicans waving their hands and saying "economy." We wouldn't end up where we will:
A fascist dictatorship, where your civil liberties are stripped away, corporations have more power, and the middle and working classes are just as bad, if not worse off.
IMO: If you only voted for trump based on the economy you deserve to face the worst of what this regime is about to bring. If you're not willing to pay attention to the world around you, stay the fuck out of the voting booth.
If you only voted for trump based on the economy you deserve to face the worst of what this regime is about to bring.
Not a winning message if you want people to vote for your side one day. Dems are going to have to get over themselves and get on other people's level if they want to win.
