Me too, haha. This is what happens when you treat arguments like chess pieces and not, you know, reason. I don't believe this guy has any idea what he just said. I also don't think he cares.
Also, nobody is gay on Venus because Venus doesn't have rainbows.
Wait a minute, Venus sounds like the perfect place for conservatives! Elon, get your starship up and running and take all your buddies and musketeers to Venus! Please! I promise all liberals will stay here.
All women AND men came from Venus. Long ago. They had to leave their home planet cause of the climate crisis there. They modified the next planet in row to fit their purposes and continued to make profits there. And as a joke the leader of the immigrants named the next planet 'Earth', cause it was covered with water 70+ % and blamed women only to come from Venus and having destroyed the planet by buying too few shoes and clothing, cosmetic products and wanting equal rights. To show men were totally innocent, he took the planet on the other side of new home and named it after his favorite chocolate bar to show how innocent, really innocent the men were. Back then. Ah, yes, forgot. The immigrants were only 1% of the population of Venus. But they brought all their important shiny stuff with them. All the gold, all the gems, though forgot to bring blueprints of their technologies, technics and knowledge. So they had to invent every little piece of shit over and over again ...
I’ve literally had this argument on lemmy multiple times. It always goes like this:
Me: [some comment to the effect of “the planet is dying”]
Them: the planet will be fine. Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.
Me: . . .
Them: What. It’s just the fact. Don’t worry about the planet.
Sometimes they quote Carlin without realizing it and without context so to them it’s not a joke about how fucked up we are, it’s a simple truth without any additional layers. It's a little boggling.
I dunno, maybe. I mean, technically they were right but even when I agreed, and explained how while that’s correct it’s also beside the point, they didn’t like that either.
Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.
Why would all life perish? From what I've heard and read about nuclear disaster exclusion zones, humans disappearing tends to make space for other forms of life that had previously been displaced by cities full of humans and such. To my understanding long time life probably won't care about anything for the next few million years.
Short term many or most humans might die or suffer. I don't think it's easy to predict how fragile humankind is, civilization may crumble. I doubt all of humankind will be gone in a thousand years, though I wouldn't bet against a semi "post apocalyptic" future.
Basically it's due to the heat, acidification of the ocean, and the massive drop in oxygen production as the ocean acidifies.
Most of the oxygen we breathe is produced by microorganisms in the ocean and as the ocean gets more acidic (from absorbing CO2 from the air) and hotter (from greenhouse effects) it makes it harder for those little fellas to survive. And when they die their impact on our breathable air goes away. And if course the stuff that's eats those organisms no longer have food and due off.
That's not even mentioning just the heating from greenhouse effects making unlivable temperature conditions (humidity + heat = unable to cool down and overheat) more likely to occur.
All life wouldn't perish per se but the current complex animals we have (and us humans) would be greatly impacted to say the least.
Because the threat is not a nuclear winter. It’s the disruption of all environmental systems that regulate the planet that is the threat in question. Which, in turn, disrupts the food chain, which starves whatever requires that food, which is for all intents and purposes, all life.
I don’t understand how this is such a conversation with so many people here.
All life wouldn't perish, the only things that will be left will be certain bacteria, phagocytes and viruses that can tolerate and indeed will likely proliferate in extreme environments. Everything larger then that will die of starvation due to a cascade of failing systems, likely starting with the death of the marine biosphere when the temperature rises to unsustainable levels and/or the pH lowers too much for the same effect. Though of course no one really knows what will actually happen because there are too many unknown variables.
It's also true. It's a great way to bring home the reality to people who still think climate science is about preserving some wetlands while we continue as normal.
I don't know, whenever I hear such arguing it makes me feel like it emphasises the issues we as humanity have gotten into, not belittles.
I mean, hearing "everything is doomed" is kind of epic and has it's charm. Hearing "only the humanity is doomed" makes me feel shitty and want to do something about that.
tangentially related, CW: suicide
Probably the same way one of the suicide prevention methods is de-romanticization of death, a lot of people expect death to be pretty, and it's not
Ok, let the downvotes come but I’m one of those people. And the point I’m trying to make is that the planet and life itself will survive and probably even be better off without humans.
Just look at what happened after the extinction event that killed the dinosaurs. Humans are causing the next extinction event and afterwards life will just start fresh again.
So no, saving the planet is not the goal. Saving humanity and most of all other current life is. And if that’s what you want to accomplish then that’s what you should talk about, specifically.
. . . the planet and life itself will survive . . .
How are you defining “life itself”?
. . . and probably even be better off without humans.
I’d say that goes without saying.
Humans are causing the next extinction event and afterwards life will just start fresh again.
Start “fresh”? Like with single-celled organisms? Maybe a billion years later we’ll be back eating sandwiches? Okay, so what process created sustainable environments again? Humans left some sort-of-permanent damage. Nuclear waste, PFAS, etc. Sure a good ol’ pole shift and a few asteroid impacts and we’re back in business.
So no, saving the planet is not the goal. Saving humanity and most of all other current life is. And if that’s what you want to accomplish then that’s what you should talk about, specifically.
God this is fucking exhausting. The prevention of unmitigated and prolonged suffering by all sentient life is the goal, YES. Kudos to the possibly viable future space rock and the wisdom to acknowledge our utter inability to protect one single planet from ourselves is laughably inadequate and - CLEARLY - irrelevant.
Climate change isn't going to be an existential threat for a very long time. Realistically we're making life incredibly difficult and expensive for ourselves. Population numbers will drop markedly over time. But people don't see that this is still something to take urgent action on.
Depends on if you work outside for a living or live near a coastline or a forested area. It won’t be like a Star Trek: The Original Series where everyone’s in a big room and a red glow starts pulsating and we all groan and crumple to the floor. No, it won’t be like that.
It’ll be like heat exhaustion exacerbated a hitherto unknown heart condition that deaded you. Or a Cat 6 hurricane rolled a tree over you. Or failing crops mean you couldn’t fight off COVID-26 or whatever.
No, we’re not going to all die at once, as such. Depending on your timeframe for “at once”.
Even life will never perish. We're certainly going to cause an apocalyptic level extinction event, taking many species with us, but life will always find a way.
not even all life. i'm sure some microbe or spore will survive long enough past human extenction and life will flourish once again. there are some very robust little lifeforms out there, living in boiling volcanic water or surviving frozen in permafrost. i'm sure some can manage in high CO2 levels and hot climate.
Life existed long before there were any significant levels of oxygen in the air. I doubt humans can undo much of the ~20% oxygen level that exists today. And I think that's reason enough that life even bigger than microbes won't die out.
So…. If I’m reading this right, because the giant ball of acid that eats spacecraft before they can do any meaningful exploration on the surface remains a ball we don’t have to worry about becoming more similar to said ball of acid?
Did you know that you can do a web search on somebody's name and find information about them? Like this article.
In addition to being a Fox News commentator, Milloy is a lawyer and lobbyist with close financial and organizational ties to tobacco and oil companies.
Milloy disputed second hand smoke is harmful and considers climate change a hoax. He also claimed the studies of harm from DDT, global warming, Alar, breast implants, ozone depletion and mad cow disease are false.
Looks to be a joke, because no matter what you do to the planet, it will still be there. Existential threat to human and most life form of the planet, yes, existential threat to the planet itself? No.
FYI: I think the estimate is that humans can burn all of the fossil fuels that exist several times over and still not hit the critical tipping point that leads to Venus. So Venus is not really on the table as a worst case scenario.
I heard we can cause widespread suffering and death for all animals in the greedy, blinkered pursuit of ever more money and it’ll be fine. Scientifically, of course.