I once worked from my bed while I had a mild cold. Had a meeting with many international colleagues from all over Europe. I fell asleep. Luckily I had my camera and mic off. And it was about interfacing with SAP which I needed no help with.
While slumping over a desk for 9 hours straight improves back health. Prevents 100% of cases of lumbago.
It’s not just that the old money dragons of commercial real estate are losing money, it’s also that middle management nothings need to exert their authority over you in person to feel relevant.
WFH makes every company money on decreased overhead. The war against it is 100% commercial property landlords that collect rent in the billions.
Fuck every single one of those fucking assholes. They are destroying our world to squeeze out just a little more.
I mean if our zoning wasn’t so overly strict, those real estate holders could cash in on enormous rent prices by transforming that commercial space into apartments.
Then there would be more housing supply, rents would go down, homelessness would improve, and those real estate holders would be able to get back to making profit, and there’d be less lying about the pros and cons of working from home.
All of it could be better, through the mechanism of consensual mutual profit that we call the free market. If only the government weren’t constantly enforcing largely arbitrary rules about how this block can house people but that block can only be for offices.
Keeping rendering plants away from preschools is fine. Arbitrarily telling people they can’t put beds and kitchens into a commercial space and let people live there is not.
There’s profit being lost AND people going homeless because there is a third party constantly preventing us from making the deals that mutually improve our lives.
And they’ve convinced you the real estate owners are the evil ones.
Unfortunately the building codes for office and residential buildings are very different and it's damn near impossible to convert many offices into residences.
Sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day is also bad for you so what’s the point. This bullshit propaganda is really starting to get old. Working from home is better for a lot of people. Corporation need to get over it.
This has been 100% true for me. I started working from home at the beginning of the pandemic and haven’t gone back. I lost 45 pounds in the first year and have managed to keep it off since. It’s all because I can eat better by making my own meals at home.
People work from home in their bed? I've been doing this for a decade and a half now. I don't think I've worked from my bed once. Now I have a dedicated office but when I didn't I, you know, made a small surface my desk area and brought in a chair.
I was WFH for about a decade too. I didn't work from my bed, but I sure as hell took meetings that I didn't really need to be in, or was more of a passive participant in, from bed. Always close to my computer (on the same floor) so I could get back if I needed something, but those were the best useless meetings.
But I don't get how this is propaganda. It's not suggesting that people RTO, it's saying they should not work in bed because it will hurt their sleep. The whole "RTO" part of this was spin put on it by the submitter. So, I guess, on second thought, maybe you are right.
But I don’t get how this is propaganda. It’s not suggesting that people RTO, it’s saying they should not work in bed because it will hurt their sleep. The whole “RTO” part of this was spin put on it by the submitter. So, I guess, on second thought, maybe you are right.
Why I think it probably is a form of propaganda, is purely because the headline says Working from home is causing it. If they didn't want to front-load a negative view of WFH the headline would be "Working from bed unhealthy" or similar.
Same, about a decade for me too, and never worked from my bed once.
If I'm tinkering with something, I might sit on the sofa or lie in bed for half an hour, but no way would I work from bed. Sounds like a sore neck waiting to happen...
I do if I’m feeling under the weather. I have a bed that can be raised into a seated position so that’s nice. I prefer my desk when I’m doing more mentally intensive work though.
I FREQUENTLY work from bed, specially at night when I'm watching both TV and some script I wrote do it's thing. I made myself a custom headboard that is outrageously comfortable for working upright.
That is straight up not what bed rotting is. Bed rotting is when you're so depressed you can't bring yourself to get out of bed at all. Like, it's a mental health condition, not lazyness.
As I said elsewhere, there is zero in this article about RTO. It's all about getting out of bed to work so you develop good sleep habits. Y'all are getting played by the submitter so easily.
Luckily i built a home office and gym with all the money I saved not paying for 2 hours of commuting, parking and getting lunch 260 days/year. I've never been in better shape mentally or physically!
I don't have the space for a home gym, but I do use my money and time I save from my commute to pay for and use a gym subscription. Also easily the best shape physically and mentally I have ever been
fknlol - like people WFH are working from their bed. I can't think of a more uncomfortable location for my to do my job from. Except the office five days a week of course...
I'm impressed at how much time you spend on lemmy, and how little you spend actually reading any of the articles you get outraged over.
There is absolutely zero in this article about RTO. It's all about not working in your bed as that can develop poor sleep habits. It's all about acting in a way so you get good sleep. Why anyone would get outraged over this or turn this into part of some grand conspiracy between the media and big business to get people back into the office is beyond me.
Clearly this is what the submitter is attempting to imply. Don't be so easily played.
TIL “bed rotting” is a TikTok term for avoiding the world as a way to deal with burnout until you decide to come out of bed. Doesn’t sound bad on the face of it, but obviously being immobile for long periods isn’t great.
How that transitioned to essentially working from bed and the problems with immobility I don’t know.
Ever since the coronavirus pandemic, working from home has become normalized. But working from home can also lead to a very bad habit called bed rotting. This new trend encourages people to stay in bed for passive activities, but that can spill over into work.
"I'm not one to, like, get up and get ready every single day. But I need my screens. I need my monitors. I need my set up," said Caroline Wharry, who works in marketing from home a few days a week.
Wharry said working from home is a new type of lifestyle, but bed rotting sounds somewhat lazy and uncomfortable.
"I take my meetings, and when I'm on meetings, I try to have my camera on. So, I do not understand how they're doing all of that from their bed," Wharry said.
Elise Vader, a physician's assistant and sleep specialist with University Hospital, said people could also develop insomnia.
"For general health. We know that being active and moving is important for the body, for your mood, for your muscle health, for your heart health," Vader said.
A Sleep Doctor survey found about six out of 10 remote and hybrid workers say they bed rot during work hours. Four out of every 10 men say they are more likely to bed rot compared to just two out of every 10 women. And four out of every 10 bed rotters say they were influenced to do it because they heard about it from others.
"The No. 1 thing is when it comes to what we call sleep hygiene, which is like the best way to get the most healthy sleep, you know, keeping your room cool, dark and quiet, staying away from screens. This kind of goes against that," said Marten Carlson, a sleep science coach.
About 40% of bed rotters say they spend one to two hours working from their bed, and about half of those bed rotters say they spend at least half of their day in bed.
"When we think about sleep, especially when you're doing activities in bed, you're training your brain that the bed is for being awake and active," said Dr. Kristi Pruiksma, an assistant professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at UT Health San Antonio.
She advised that the bed should be used for sleep and intimacy only.
yeah I was about to point out that corpos certainly did not just invent the word "bedrot" for their own benefit. This has been a thing for a while. Nurses often have to walk patients who are admitted for several days to prevent "bed rot" symptoms.
If you were staying in bed all day, every day, yeah you're gonna get some severe health issues pretty damn quick. But if you're getting up and moving around regularly, you shouldn't worry.... but in that case, it would make more sense to idk buy a desk, sit at a table, or on the couch. A laptop in bed is not practical and certainly not comfortable with the heat it generates. Quite frankly I don't understand why anyone would ever choose to use a laptop in bed if they have other options available.
I don't even disagree with your points. I do notice that my back muscles will quickly undevelop, if I work from bed all day.
But on Monday, I had a stressful day in the office, so I had no qualms spending yesterday working mostly from my bed.
Similarly, someone who does more sports than me could easily counteract the effects.
“Everyone else wants to abuse you. Considering perspectives outside of this group’s perspective is being a bootlicker. We’re the only ones who can trust because we’re going to turn you into a hero who saves the world through bitterness and resentment”
I remember back in the fifties how all the conservatives were so happy that all the women were barefoot at home cause they couldn’t have a job, but also simultaneously so upset about all the bed rotting they did. Then the damn liberals invented jobs for women and ruined everything. Now the uppity women are upset about “not having control over their own bodies” and “being forced to give birth to a corpse when the fetus dies” and “dying because of an ectopic pregnancy, something that hasn’t happened in the US since the Industrial Revolution”.
I sit in my Secret Labs gaming chair when working from home. When I work at the office, I sit in their Secret Labs Titan gaming chairs, which don't have a back or neck pillow so are slightly less comfortable and slightly too big.