Elon Musk says Tesla workers will be sleeping on the factory floor when new $25,000 EV goes into production next year
Elon Musk says Tesla workers will be sleeping on the factory floor when new $25,000 EV goes into production next year
Speaking during Tesla's earnings call on Wednesday, Musk said he needs his teams of manufacturers and engineers to live and sleep at the Texas Gigafactory so any...
That’s a weird way of bragging about understaffing leading to overwork, but I guess it explains why they can’t kick those quality issues.
Statements like that are just going to make it easier for the UAW to unionise those plants. Union factory workers don't sleep on the floor.
Spoiler: it won't be $25,000.
I do t think musk will get his 25 either
In related news, Musk gave Tesla an ultimatum earlier this month: increase his ownership in the company to 25% or he will cut back on its development of AI and robotics The billionaire already owns 13% of the EV giant, or approximately 411 million shares. However, it seems he won't be happy unless he's awarded another 12%.
Another ridiculous thing, the article says this new model might comes without steering wheel or pedals... .his self driving is no where near ready for that, especially since he cheaps out and uses cameras on high end models, the cheap one is going to have even worse cameras instead of the lidar they should all have
This guy has never been able to hit his MSRP goals.
That said, if he can’t ship a crossover for $35k, Volvo-Polestar will eat his lunch with the ex30. And like Telsa, Volvo has markup-free / commission-free purchase options. I got my last Volvo for MSRP. Ordered online with no BS.
If it weren’t for the whole everything-controlled-via-infotainment-screen thing, the EX30 would be on the short list for my next vehicle, but that’s a dealbreaker. I’m still rooting for Volvo, at least as much as I’d “root” for a company.
And it won't go into production next year. But workers will still be treated like shit.
I bet they're taking pre-orders with a deposit though
I'll be really surprised if he makes that date.
Because fuck family time ... This dude wants slaves. He can get fucked
Old habits die hard
Where do you think his seed money came from?
Why do you think he wants to get to mars quickly
It's only a matter of time before one of the mega-corps figures out how to lease prisoners as cheap and expendable workers.
That has been happening for a long time already.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/12/alabama-prison-labor-lawsuit/
It's already been going on for decades.
Lots of interesting articles and research talking about the problem of many CEOs exhibiting psychopathic traits but it being accepted. For example.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/
“Our culture also glorifies and rewards successful leaders who may lie somewhere on the spectrum of psychopathy or who, if not actually psychopathic, nevertheless display traits that psychopathic individuals frequently have. The problem, of course, is that while psychopaths may have a lot of charisma and creativity, they may also lack, as already mentioned, socially important qualities such as empathy and morality.”
Yup. Sadly, having broken moral compass and lacking empathy can be obscenely profitable in the right circles. I honestly think that's all that is propping these guys up anymore.
Also, we used to attribute "boldness" to psycopaths/sociopaths but it turns out that's bunk and they're really "just mean". So the apologists out there have, yet again, one less thing to work with. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/202201/no-there-are-no-benefits-psychopathy
And as we saw with the "My 0th Blender Model (because we all know your first model is a somewhat decent donut)," these people have no creativity.
Damn, he's admitting his company is so close to collapse that everyone will have to literally sleep on the floor there just to try to save the business?
Bold move.
It worked for Twitter, right…. Right…?
Man i don't wanna buy a car made by people who aren't sleeping in a bed. Come on, now.
Tesla's quality control is already shit.
Imagine how much worse it could get if the workers are even more sleep deprived.
Saying we expect our employees to act as slaves, weird flex there Space Karen.
Wasn't the model 3 supposed to be the affordable version
Is $25k affordable? How much are cars? 25k sounds like a fuckload of money.
$25k is actually very affordable for what new cars go for. That was deemed affordable 10 years ago, so hitting that price point today is an even bigger deal.
Affordable? No, not to many people's finances
Relatively cheap for a new car? Unfortunately
A tough combination in a country where having a car is essentially mandatory in all but a few cities
USD25K would buy you a sports spec Hyundai hatch, or a low spec 2wd SUV in Australia.
How much does a banana cost? $25,000?
But they don’t need a union
Sounds like a shitty boss. Also, I think OHSA is gonna have a field day with this.
Once the courts are done with federal agencies Deals won't have to worry about OSHA.
Anyone qualified to work on his production line can work on another. Or many many other mechanical/production roles.
I question anyone who would work those hours, sleep in the facility, accept the oats, and still whine.
The problem is who is hiring. Tesla's factory is the only big factory in an area where there are not other big car factories. Good luck finding another job in the area of Fremont.
Understood, but I'm saying ultimately these are skilled, desirable workers who should be seeking new opportunities NOW
Welp. It's time for Tesla workers to unionize, and hard
Won't happen in Texas. There are so many people in this state convinced that unions are a horrible evil. Then they complain about how their job mistreats them, doesn't pay them enough, etc, etc, etc. You know, all the problems a union fixes. These people here are the very definition of sheeple.
Howdy, partner. 🤠
Tesla already has the highest accident risk, are they trying to increase their lead?
Who is this message even for? Not the workers obviously. Does it instill the investors with confidence? "Production is so poorly managed and staffed that we have to rely on people working overtime." Does it increase demand? "Come buy these vehicles assembled by overworked, sleep-deprived line workers, hope it works out if you get in an wreck!" It's entirely for his own ego.
This guy probably thinks he's doing his employees a favor by paying them for the work they perform for him
This is why the simple existence of billionaires is violence. You simply cannot become filthy rich without profiting off of the suffering of others. This motherfucker could pay people enough to never have to even consider sleeping on a factory floor. Hell, he could probably double his workforce and still pay that well and be filthy rich.
Delivered 4 - 8 years later, $25,000 more, 50 mile range, no screen and a radio tuned only to a station where his favorite coward of the moment reads their abhorent tweets
You're right and I agree, but on another note, it'd be nice if vehicles in general could be made with no screen again.
UAW
There are rumors that it could come without a steering wheel or any pedals to lower costs
Ehm what? Full self driving (and self crashing)??
Unless they found another legal loophole this will not happen. The reason Tesla can public test their FSD is because, legally, it's only autonomous level 2 and the responsibility falls on the driver. But autonomous level 2 also requires the steering wheel because the driver is supposed to keep their hands on the wheel at all times. No wheel means no level 2 and no level 2 means stricter regulations and stricter regulations most likely means higher costs.
Articles that start with "Elon Musk says..." 😄
This category of articles is getting more and more hilarious recently.
"We really need the engineers to be living on the line. This is not sort of an off-the-shelf 'it just works' type of thing," Musk said. "That will be a challenging production ramp […] we'll be sleeping on the line, practically. Not practically, we will be," he added.
Man, can this guy rally the troops or what? With sentiment like this, who needs a pep rally or company retreat? /s
Worst. Boss. Ever.
I would for a price. I've done a few hard years. The issue is that he's likely not making it voluntary and not compensating people for the sacrifice.
I can actually see this working for some people who have been heavily indoctrinated their entire adult professional careers. For instance, some people who join the military. When you're used to sleeping when you can and missing sleep for watch or what have you, you're already used to being mistreated. As a result it's easier to lure you with supposed perks that make up for the mistreatment. .
I would hope it doesn't work for the majority, but I'm not gonna lie, the number of people working in the service industry suggests that my hope is misplaced.
He does know he can just hire more people and have them work shifts, right?
He is well aware. But if he did that he'd make maybe one tenth of a percent less and we can't have that!
i saw a tesla truck today for the first time and it looked stupid. its seriously like something from a 90s 3d tank game
My pinewood derby car as a Cub scout looks very similar
I think that's the point. It hits a similar group as those old mini trucks (eg S10) from the 90s that get tricked out.
It looks like it came straight of a cheesy 80s B movie called Megaforce.
OMG I want one of those!
Ya take 16 tons, whaddya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
There's a concept of paid slaves.
Like Musk is going to let his employees sleep...
Well now I’m definitely never buying a Tesla.
When your boss sleeps at the factory it shows commitment. When he makes you sleep at the factory it shows he’s an asshole.
And the conditions are still better than what the collective agreements would require?
Yes
2 years later, the car is released. It is made from lead to protect from radiation, has a range of 7 miles, and costs $112k for the base model.
Even if I was working there still: Fuck that. I'd rather sleep in my car. At least it's warm and soft unlike the concrete on the factory floor that's covered in metal shavings and dropped screws. Plenty of people I met there did just that because it was easier to just stay there all week and only go back home over the weekend cuz home was like a 4 hour drive away on a good day.
But I mean... There are way better jobs. And if you're a contractor (which is like 90% of the workforce there): you ain't getting a permanent position, lol. Fr. You're just gonna be used up and tossed aside and I know the pay isn't worth it. Might as well be a McDonald's janitor for the same pay. At least you ain't gonna fuck your back and knees all up or work more than 8 hours.
I mean, if you're required to stay there that'd be some mad overtime pay where I'm at: first 8hr at 1xpay, next 4hr at 1.5xpay, then everything after that is 2xpay.
I can't say I wouldn't consider it.
I doubt the regions this may be required in will have such labor friendly laws though...
According to another comment the workers are 90 percent independent contractors being abused. So no extra pay.
Somehow I'm not surprised... Fuck Tesla.
Sleeping there isn't necessarily working though. It's having the right amount of engineers on site so they can immediately fix things vs waiting until the next day.
So it's like being on call, except you have to be there.
I feel like that deserves way more than an on call wage, but also not as much as a over time working wage until they work?
As long as I'm paid appropriately though I'd do it for at least a short period.
Don't buy that crap. 'nuff said.
I have a buddy with a bumper sticker that says "I bought this beforehe was crazy"
Instead of new car smell, it will have Elon Musk.
How about... No...
sounds fair and reasonable, definitely not dangerous.
guy's a complete tool bag
A tool bag is useful and helps to alleviate a lot of redundant work. Everyone needs a tool bag.
I'd take a tool bag over Elon and day.
He's so full of shit his eyes are brown...er than they were the last time his shit-spewing gullet was open
Sounds like The Boer is homesick for the land of his youth
