I don't think people join the right because they are annoyed by leftists, I think they join the right because they see a bunch of people full of hatred and want to join in because of their self-centered misanthropy.
It's the same people that say Atheists are as annoying as Christians. Bro, there a lot of atheists you just don't hear about, you're making a lame excuse to be Christian.
I live in Czech Republic. Atheism is the default here. Almost nobody talks about faith, since most people don't care, so you can't really tell if someone is Christian.
To me, internet atheists are annoying as shit. I get it that the USA close to being an open theocracy and a lot of pushback is still needed before things are even close to normal, but still. Forceful atheism you usually see online is obnoxious, goes to extremes, the smugness is off the charts - simpmy annoying.
I'm right because women are wrong /s
People don't align with the Right because of shared political ideals, they align with the Right because the Right hates the same people they do and promises to punish those they hate.
They can scream and wail about "family values" all they want, but when they're lined up with neo-nazis, white supremacists, and pedophiles all praising their glorious leader (who, BTW, believes that there are "very fine people" among a group who chants "Jews will not replace us! "), everyone on the outside has to wonder what "values" they are really fighting for.
I think to a degree the left pushes people out though, as your lefty card needs to be spotless or it’s revoked.
Sometimes a person can say one thing wrong and they’ll be labelled an alt-right fascist, and not part of “the group” on the left, especially online.
Obviously that doesn’t make people right wing, but it is a problem that pushes people away from more left leaning views/groups. Rather than try to discuss and correct, people will berate and ostracise.
You think that doesn't happen on the right? There's a huge fight in congress now about which idiot is the Republicanest. They're all calling each other RINOs.
I consider myself a communist, I have been called a nazi or a fascist (I don't remember) by some people here because I don't share 100% some of their ideas, I'm still on the left, I still have empathy, I fully support individual freedom. But they are annoying nonetheless.
It's a joke, and it references a commonly heard fake argument from the right that they were left leaning once but couldn't stand the people.
I will say, anger and hatred are very contagious. I mean, not so contagious that I could start being racist and homophobic…wait, yeah, right wingers are assholes.
Usually memes make up what one side says to make a great comeback, but in this case it's definitely correct. People absolutely go right because of stupidity on the left, and vice versa
You’ve literally never hung out with conservatives in your life, just admit it. You have no idea who we are.
Apart from my wife's entire family, sure.
I've known (and know) many conservatives. While they all had very diverse reasons, the through-line is always hate. Either hate of LGBT people, women's bodily autonomy, immigrants, POC, workers, or the poor (or all the above).
I don't consider most of these people bad people, per se. People are complex, and many are good people in other aspects. Most don't have any kind of power, and aren't overt about their hatred in strange company, so it doesn't matter much who they hate. If anything, their hatred is damaging to themselves (emotionally and socially). Though, I guess on the grand scale, they end up voting for politicians that worsen the conditions of the people they hate; and, in most cases, worsen their own conditions.
The fact that you see people on the right as cartoon villains means YOU are the hateful person.
The fact that Trump has made it his life's mission to be a fucking cartoon villain, and that people actually follow him, is not a moral failing of the guy you replied to.
People on the right wanting to take away medical treatment from trans people that we all know will result in more of them being miserable and committing suicide. That's hateful.
Laws passed to censor any discussion of homosexuality, ensuring gay people stay isolated, closeted, and unaccepted by larger society. That's hateful.
Silence any talk of racism lest we work to overcome it? Hateful.
We hear Trump telling us he will lock up the lefties. Believe it or not, hateful.
Trump making fun of disabled people and Republicans laughing along with? Again, Hateful.
Putting brown kids in cages, or yanking them away from their families and then losing them? Hateful.
And on and on.
Rabid right wing extremists have taken over the GOP over the last few decades. They're the hateful ones.
It does not mean they are hateful, you silly billy. It means they cannot observe the reasons for the hate.
That COULD be because they agree with it and do not want to admit, but you MUST understand how wishful thinking and ignorance to evil ABSOLUTELY produces the same result.
MLK Jr. was not calling everyone who sat on their butt evil. He called their inaction the banality of evil. It does NOT take an evil person to do a horrible thing. The fact you do not realize that means it is you who has a lot of growing to do.
Yes, inaction because of ignorance is bad. Though calling people evil because they're ignorant is utterly counterproductive and frankly, pathetically judgemental, too.
Except they literally are, looking at the US. I’m European and I see most right-wing European politicians as just “assholes I disagree with”, but the US Republicans are literally cartoon villains at this point. Like, Trump would get labeled as unrealistic if he was an antagonist in a remotely adult-oriented movie.
The problem of modern politics is that both sides are thinking that the other side is morally evil, while their side is morally right. The problem with this is because there is no middle ground possible, no compromise. And politics is all about compromise. So that means that the government stops serving to the people because it is in permanent lock.
And the problem of modern US politics is that the middle ground is already what is called “left”. Biden would be seen as right-wing in Europe. If they keep finding a “middle ground” they’ll just shift the Overton Window more and more.
CHOOSE:
freedom of thought, but you have to learn to work with people you disagree with slightly or find annoying: left
uniformity of thought, but you are surrounded by bleating sheep and must bleat along: right
It cracks me up how antivaxxers on the right try using the slogan "Lions not sheep". It reminds me of how Fox News used to call themselves "Fair and Balanced".
It's always funny when the right start having a lot of infighting because it turns out that "what everyone thinks" turns out to be a personal choice.
They never have infighting about how to make things better though... Like they don't fight weather we should help single mothers with X or just Y... No they argue if billionaires should get pay no taxes or negative taxes...
A lot of younger (louder) leftists are not liberal so they enforce uniform thought in their communities and mock liberals.
Young people of all generations do not have full brains developed yet, they are basic and self righteous until 27ish
This is confusing. Liberalism isn't leftwing, it's right-of-center at best. Most often it's right-wing economic policies with socially left-wing ineffectual lip service. Especially with how far right the Democrats have trended since the 80s and their adoption of a corporate focused form of third-wayism. There are only a handful of representatives who could even be considered slightly left-of-center progressives.
CHOOSE:
grouping everyone on a binary political scale with no nuances
not thinking that you're either left OR right, but realise that you can have different opinions and preferences in different areas and those can't always be forced into a left/right box, and that you can agredisagree with anyone, regardless if you vote for the same party or not
We on the right don’t view uniformity of thought as a positive.
lol
Really? The right around here is burning books, claiming their religious beliefs should be enshrined in laws forced on others, and openly supporting a wannabe dictator while calling anyone in their party who doesn't agree a 'Rino' (Republica in name only). To say nothing of the connection to churches and their 'flocks'
That is a lot of trying to force viewpoints on others and create a uniform viewpoint
Interesting. Why are people getting cancelled for opposing leftist views? Why are you automatically considered a nazi if you don't agree with every facet of the left? I may be wrong here, but none of that sounds like freedom of thought. The right is full of dumb ideas, but at least they let them all be heard.
Why are people getting cancelled for opposing leftist views?
From the people who tried to cancel D&D, Rock music, The Dixie Chicks, Drag shows, LGBTQ....
Why are you automatically considered a nazi if you don't agree with every facet of the left?
From the people who started asking if the ultra-religious speaker of the house was "secretly a Democrat" because he simply acknowledged the difficulties his adopted black son has that his white son doesn't.
I may be wrong here, but none of that sounds like freedom of thought. The right is full of dumb ideas, but at least they let them all be heard.
From the people who shouted down a reporter for simply asking the question "do you believe the 2020 election was stolen?"
Why are people getting cancelled for opposing leftist views?
They aren't
Why are you automatically considered a nazi if you don't agree with every facet of the left?
You aren't
I may be wrong here, but none of that sounds like freedom of thought.
You are wrong here
The right is full of dumb ideas, but at least they let them all be heard.
Why is this even a positive lol
You're both profoundly ignorant of the subject matter and very confident you know a lot about it, a.k.a. an excellent example of the Dunning-Krugger effect.
Consider the possibility that what you hear about "The Left" (just the idea that it's an unified thing is ridiculous) from the media you consume (American, right?!) are the shocking things that will make you form the opinion others want you to have - in other words, you're being treated as an useful idiot.
Even in the US, were whatever passes for "Left" is very much captured by the local Duopoly Of Power politics and doesn't really tries to effectivelly achieve the "Greatest good for the greatest number" (otherwise they would be way, WAY, WAY more worried about wealth inequality and not obcessed with fragmented identitarian infighting), leftwing thinking is a range - though narrower than elsewhere - not a unified anything.
huh, who could have thought that political opinions are not strictly binary.
Not conservatives.
I am politically nb.
Lol, made me spit my coffee out.
That premise is incorrect, though. Conservatives don't have political opinions. Seriously. Even the GOP platform doesn't exist anyone. It's all just culture war nonsense and dog whistles. And their voters know the "traditional values" white person is being erased and discriminated against and they need to stand vigilantly opposed to wokeness... How do they know? Their feelings.
Are you suggesting political opinions are actually unary?
"I was mad the people I tend to agree with how to fix my country were not doing enough, so I just became part of the problem."
Like anyone on the right actually cares about fixing problems. It's all about how they can benefit from a situation, how they can spin things to their advantage.
They know deep down they are supporting the trainwreck, they just want a media ecosystem that blames others so they don't feel personally responsible for it.
ding ding ding ding
You've got it wrong here, they care about fixing 'problems'
When you make up problems so the solution can be physical violence, ANY 'problem' is 'solvable' if you stir up enough 'vigilantes' to solve it!
I honestly would probably vote Republican if they put up a candidate that had solutions to economic problems they swear is caused by the left.
But they don’t have any, because all their candidates bluster about the economy while they run on platforms centered around identity politics, religious law, and reducing women’s bodily autonomy.
Every day I have to hear conservatives complain about how “Biden ruined the economy” but they don’t seem to care all that much about fixing it. They just want to ban abortion, suppress the gays , and put Christ back in Christmas.
It honestly feels like the left doesn’t know how to fix the economy and the right just doesn’t want to.
Yo we should stop it though. Its part of the reason they can get stuff done and we can't.
No. Leftie infighting is important. Thats why I'm gonna say Thought Slime is sussy af and actually the most annoying leftist of all time.
No! We can't work together with people who want something else just because they call themselves leftists, too
Considering the Right has a unified goal (complete removal of "them" and codifying perceived hierarchy into law), they don't care about the process
The Left does NOT have a unified goal OR process. Off the top of my head, the Contrapoints/Hasanabi "millionaires are ok, thinking otherwise is immature and envious", the Maupin/Coffin Red Browns, the Vaush/Xanderhal "it should be codified that I should be able to say the N word", the "all theft should be legal" webcomic artists, the Sinfest "feminism went too far when it allowed trans/queer people", the tiktok "any intercourse information made public should be an assault charge"
I agree. What we call the "Left" in the US is a largely heterogenous group of people separated by decades of infighting and a mountain of conflicting interests. There's the types you mentioned, then there's the trans activists, the eco activists, black/BIPOC activists, socialists, anarchists, liberals, feminists, and on and on.
Suppose you are a Democratic House or Senate candidate. To actually win the election, you need two things, votes and funding. You know there are things your voter base cares passionately about, that they have no hope of ever getting from Republicans, but unfortunately they are also things the big ticket donors despise. So, what do you do? You'll have to steer away from policies that will break the coalition and split the vote. You'll have to steer away from topics that will frighten the donor class. When faced with that challenge of keeping the Left (mostly) united AND getting that sweet donor cash, most mainstream Democrats tend to pivot away from wedge issues and policies, and focus more on process. Y'know, uncontroversial things like bipartisanship, decorum, and compromise. And while we're all sick of the lack of these things in DC, they're not things Democrats can make happen all by themselves, and more importantly, none of them are results, they're means.
the tiktok “any intercourse information made public should be an assault charge”
You and I have very different FYPs lol
For me it's the comma splices.
Hasn’t the Republican Party been in total disarray since Trump left office?
Lol no way. They are eroding workers rights, putting kids to work on many states, deepening inequality, allowing more oil than ever before to be extracted and burned, financing a genocide... Take your pick. They probably already have a plan drawn up for their next term chairing the executive branch.
And most of the so called " democratic" party in your country (including the president) seem to be helping them out, or letting them do it because they are covertly siding with corporations too. The difference is they are not as outwardly fascistic.
From the perspective of someone from outside the US, their policy towards us is exactly as shitty too.
That's not fair I'm annoyed by everyone all the time
Speaking of...
Similar like that.
Oh yeah, I've used this meme format so many times to describe various leftist dynamics
Right? I'm tired of being called a bro dude because I don't see sexy women in video games anymore, I'm not even a man.
I'm left as fuck, but why can't I just see some titties during my free time without the people who provide me the titties being called misogynists? There are girls who like girls. Show me the titties.
May I introduce you to the Baldur's Gate 3 Sex% Speedrun?
I will never understand why leftists constantly say you shouldn't vote. Like, if you can't even motivate people to do step one do you really think you're going to motivate them to revolution?
Splitters!
nanners
True dat.
I think this comment sections shows quite well just how much Lemmy is a bubble of leftists.
I'm becoming right wing because a frightening amount of leftists are calling for my death and the right wing fascists aren't.
Wild fucking world we live in yo.
Take care
I think you have a persecution complex. Who is calling for your death and why?
Dunno who these 'leftists' are, but as far as I can see on a global scale, they don't have/will never have enough power to commit mass genocide
The Right Wing war on Trans people/Muslims/[INSERT "POLITICAL" OTHER HERE] has been ramping up and leading to a hell of a lot of deaths
Same
