The USA is in panic mode, they thought they could undermine China's development just like they did with ball-sucking Europe, now there is a need for other nation to come up with their own models, and show the US they should stop underpinning monopolies.

These people will keep pushing and pushing. They know this is ridiculous, but if they flood the public with this bullshit, eventually the overton window shifts and people get brainwashed into thinking cult shit like this is good.

Hehe...that shit makes me laugh

I wasn't gonna, but now I gotta...

You laugh, but stay safe

This is astounding.

I mean, not the Deepseek or jailing stuff. I mean a Senator actually proposing a law. I thought the way our government worked was, the annoying orange declares a vague uncited threat to be bad, and signs an executive order on it!

No, we also allow mega corporations to submit bills that get rubber stamped by a rep somewhere. I don't think a corporation would be so audacious as to submit this, so it's a rare case of original content.

Yes the ban on TikTok is working! We're getting more and more freer!!! The kids will be saved!!!! \s \s \s

"Victory for free speech (as long as it means only we get to talk")! /s

Senator Josh Hawley was in his office, fumbling with a collection of outdated gadgets. His desk was cluttered with a clunky flip-phone, a ancient computer tower, and stacks of CDs labeled “Software for Dummies.” He had just been reading about this newfangled AI technology that everyone was buzzing about—though he wasn’t entirely sure what an AI was.

The phone rang, jolting him out of his thoughts. He fumbled with the flip-phone, trying to press the correct buttons to answer. When he finally managed to say “Hello,” his voice dripped with confusion.

“Senator Hawley, this is Greg from OpenAI. I wanted to discuss your proposed legislation about AI downloads,” the voice on the other end said.

Hawley leaned back in his chair, trying to look wise. “Legislation? Oh, right, that’s what they call laws these days. Something about jailing people who download stuff from China.”

Greg sighed. “It’s not just about downloading, Senator. It’s about AI models—complex software that can learn and adapt, like DeepSeek.”

Hawley’s brow furrowed. He hadn’t heard of DeepSeek before. “DeepSeek? That sounds communist to me. Probably tracking your thoughts or something.”

Greg tried to explain how AI works, but Hawley kept interrupting with questions about old technologies he thought were relevant. “So if someone downloads this AI, it’s like a CD-ROM, right? You just stick it in and hope it works?”

Greg pressed on, trying to translate the concept of cloud computing into terms Hawley might understand. “It’s more like... a virtual flip-phone that you can talk to without actually holding it.”

Hawley looked down at his desk, where his actual flip-phone was sitting. “I’m not sure I follow. Why would downloading this AI be bad?”

“Because DeepSeek is state-sponsored and could be used maliciously,” Greg said. “It’s like giving someone a modem to the Chinese government.”

Hawley brightened up. “Oh! Like that time I tried to use a dial-up connection? That was dangerous, wasn’t it? You didn’t know who was listening!”

Greg couldn’t help but laugh. “I’m not sure you’re understanding this correctly, Senator. This isn’t about phone calls or CDs—it’s about advanced algorithms that could change everything.”

Hawley stood up, clutching his flip-phone like it was a weapon. “Advanced? Sounds like the kind of thing that could be used to spy on people or start wars! Just like those CDs I tried to use once—they had some kind of communist software.”

Greg hesitated but decided to play along. “So you’re saying if someone downloads DeepSeek, they might be helping a foreign power? That’s why you want to jail them?”

Hawley nodded vigorously. “Exactly! It’s like having a modem without the filter. I propose jailing these people to protect our freedoms.”

Greg exchanged a glance with his colleague, who was now staring at him in disbelief. Finally, he said, “ Senator, this isn’t how technology works. If you jail people for downloading AI models, you’re not protecting innovation—you’re stifling it.”

Hawley squinted at Greg as if he were staring into the sun. “Stifle? I’m trying to stop something dangerous. You think I don’t know about this communist tech? I’ve seen it on the internet—full of viruses and stuff.”

Greg took a deep breath, realizing there was no way to reason with Hawley in this state. “Well, if that’s your stance, just remember: you’re not alone. There are people out there who think AI is a threat.”

Hawley smirked. “Good. People like me keep them in check.”

The call finally ended, and Greg sat back in his chair, shaking his head. “Senator Hawley is running for re-election,” he muttered to himself. “And if this bill passes, it’s going to be a nightmare.”

As for Senator Hawley, he was already back at his desk, scribbling notes about how to protect the country from “AI invasions.” He had no idea what he was up against—but one thing was certain: he was ready to fight.

Land of the free

Land of the free only refers to owning guns.

Its open source lol. Why don't the tech billionaires innovate? Instead they just ban competitors

turns out all that shit about open markets, free trade, competition was just while they had no competition to exploit it after WW2 left Europe and Asia devastated, now that China (with their own protectionism) is doing it better than the US...back to protectionism and fascism.

Wow, bold choice to ban the import of technology and knowledge. Usually governments are worried about export, so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands.

Btw, how is the Nvidia stock price doing?

Right? Like, seriously, we all know somebody is just butthurt because their stock options tanked.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry! That was very unpatriotic of me, wasn't it? I mean, we all know that winning an election guarantees being heavily rewarded with insider trading, right? It's not like they're there to represent constituents or anything; I mean, doesn't everyone know we're a republic, not a democracy?!

Sigh...
To be fair, this is common practice. Countries do this all the time to protect their economies. Mostly known in the West is China which banned many US services.

Of course, security of the data of the citizens is also a factor. You don’t want foreign countries use this data to interfere in any way.
- Honestly, I don't think this is common practice in non-oppressive countries. I mean sure, this happens in North Korea, Iran, China... But I'm relatively free to consume what I want with a few minor exceptions. For example we don't import food that isn't food-safe by our standards. Regardless if it's common practice to eat it in other places. Also food may not be able to enter the country due to laws on animal cruelty. Similar things apply to electronic devices that aren't up to code. And some select few things are banned altogether and you can't have them and neither can someone import them. Other than that, regulations aren't super strict. I can use all American social media platforms despite them stealing my personal data and violating European privacy laws regularly, can use Russian or Chinese websites... I think I live in a free country.
  
  Helping domestic economy is done with tariffs / import tax. And not by banning things and putting people in jail.
  
  And mind that this isn't about the service that collects your data and gives it to the Chinese government. This is about downloading the model file and using it all by yourself. So no data gets transferred to a foreign country. And it's not because people could get harmed or anything. This is just because the vice president doesn't want it personally. Like in some dictatorship. Otherwise they would have banned transferring data into foreign countries, if that's what it's about. But they didn't do that, because it's not about protecting the people.
  
  Or did I miss something and there are other examples for limitations on import?

Fascist regime and power/police abuse has started.

P.S.: It seems like the US is becoming similar to Russia, kleptocratic country and organised crime in government.

to be fair for black Americans that is a centuries old tune
- Most minorities — it’s the middle - upper class straight able bodied white people who are oblivious to it all.
- Oh, you're right
- Don’t worry, their already bad situation will get worse too.
Every step unchallenged is an invitation to do more.

Download the model and run locally is the most secure and privacy friendly way to use it.

It's absurd how little they know about what they are doing.

I doubt they understand local vs server distinction.
- "Server is when we ask Amazon to build a backdoor, local is when we ask Microsoft"
And that's exactly why they want to stop it
- Nah, Congress (esp the Senate) is a bunch of old people yelling at clouds, and sometimes they yell the same thing. Don't give them too much credit.
It's easy to run a distilled version of the R1 model locally. It's very difficult to run the full version. Min $6k to get 7 tokens per second.
- Here's one for 2k if you don't mine jank (edit: and 3-4 tokens :) )
  
  https://digitalspaceport.com/how-to-run-deepseek-r1-671b-fully-locally-on-2000-epyc-rig/
- I hear its easy, but I've had no luck at all on the most distilled models (for prelim testing), and am wondering how things have broken so badly.

ways to self-sabotage (100% speedrun)

You overestimate the strength of the cognitive dissonance. These people have somehow found a way to overcome the concept of hypocrisy and the consequences for it. They’re impervious to shame and repercussions.

This is them gathering their strength. The more we care about facts and honesty, the more they win. This is kind of the endgame

now i gotta download something i don't even wanna download.

Yup. Downloaded 7b, 32b, and 70b varieties this afternoon. Entirely out of spite.
- Since those smaller models are technically fine-tunes of Meta/Facebook's LLAMA, using Deepseek's outputs, I wonder if they would be covered by the bill at all.
I literally just did the same

That's awesome! I didn't know you could download an LLM and run it locally! That's what I'm really interested in is something that's on my side and not a conduit to Google, MS or other.

I'm so glad Hawley proposed this bill or I wouldn't have known that deepseek was open source and downloadable! I'll have to go look for a download.

Ollama makes it pretty easy, and there are other runners as well. Good luck!
How to download/run a uncensored LLM locally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMBI_Q0_Yc
AFAICT it’s not open source, just open weights.

I think the average IQ of republicans must be 20.

No, that's collective IQ

not back-dated so download away fellas (not sure if a law can apply on acts before it was a law)

Ex post facto laws are expressly prohibited in Article I, so they can't pass a law criminalizing downloads from before the law was passed.

They can, however, criminalize possessing a copy of DeepSeek. In that case you'd be legally required to delete it after the law passed.
- They also can't amend the constitution via executive order or deport US citizens, but watch them try it anyway
- Not sure about the laws wording, but if it is open source just create a branch with a different name.
In principle: no. But Americans no longer have any principles (or never did in the first place)

Because China "leveraged" US technology 20 years ago, US politicians bring it up as a current shittalking point still. Deepseek, being open source, is opportunity for Americans to gain technology transfer from China, without "stealing".

There is a desperation to protect US AI, mostly so that AI companies are indebted into serving the empire, and maybe the GOP,

Something AI is extremely capable today is deciding who to ban on reddit, or at the individual voter level, decide who should be turned away from elections. Recent US election had record voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted. Previously, black was a sufficient suppression incentive. AI makes it easy to target individuals or other factors. Musk, being praised for understanding "election machines", now with access to SS numbers and an ability to link to voters or views on Israel/genocide, is a super power that ensures being king maker in perpetuity.

Was this Google translated from Chinese? That was chunky to read.

next up: US Bill proposed to jail people who watch MSNBC US Bill proposed to jail people who watch PBS US Bill proposed to jail people who don't buy a cybertruck US Bill proposed to jail people who don't vote GOP

So much freedom, so little time.

Do you think those channels are left? LoL
- They don't need to be to be vilified.

Hawley’s statement called DeepSeek “a data-harvesting, low-cost AI model that sparked international concern and sent American technology stocks plummeting.”

data-harvesting

???

It runs offline... using open-source software that provably does not collect or transmit any data...

It is low-cost and out-competes American technology, though, true

sent American technology stocks plummeting

Oh yeah, thats what did it, totally
- You don't fuck with the big man money tbh... That's like rule 1 of the game.

For Base Model

git lfs install git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base

For Chat Model

git lfs install git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3

this is deepseek-v3. deepseek-r1 is the model that got all the media hype: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
- Yea, comment OP needs to edit links with howany up votes that got.
Can you elaborate on the differences?
- Base models are general purpose language models, mainly useful for AI researchers and people who want to build on top of them.
  
  Instruct or chat models are chatbots. They are made by fine-tuning base models.
  
  The V3 models linked by OP are Deepseek's non-reasoning models, similar to Claude or ChatGPT4o. These are the "normal" chatbots that reply with whatever comes to their mind. Deepseek also has a reasoning model, R1. Such models take time to "think" before supplying their final answer; they tend to give better performance for stuff like math problems, at the cost of being slower to get the answer.
  
  It should be mentioned that you probably won't be able to run these models yourself unless you have a data center style rig with 4-5 GPUs. The Deepseek V3 and R1 models are chonky beasts. There are smaller "distilled" forms of R1 that are possible to run locally, though.
- https://www.deepseekv3.com/en/download
  
  I was assuming one was pre-trained and one wasn't but don't think that's correct and don't care enough to investigate further.
- r1 is lightweight and optimized for local environments on a home PC. It's supposed to be pretty good at programming and logic and kinda awkward at conversation.
  
  v3 is powerful and meant to run on cloud servers. It's supposed to make for some pretty convincing conversations.

I'm gonna download it even harder.

See you hell evildoer!

The desperation... It reeks

God, I hate Hawley. He’s an embarrassment to my state.

He doesn’t even live in Missouri.

Lol rich coming from a class of people who can’t even open up a fucking pdf in their email

Saw this coming as soon as Microsoft immediately wanted to investigate.

Deepseek is going to be a Chinese military complex on the books shortly.

Well I guess that means its time to download it even though I don't know what I'll do with it.

You wouldn't download a car and then perform all the necessary lost wax casting, pressing, punching, machining, painting etc etc. Would you?

No!

You would download a finished car!

I wasn't thinking of downloading an AI onto my low tier computer until now.

I've got a laptop kicking around from 2010 that's about to get deepseek just because they're proposing this dumb ass shit. I don't even use Gen AI.
- Finally affordable housing!
- same lmao
  
  They never learn.

People like this should not be a government representative. But I guess that's the trend lately

I'll download it twice

I’m downloading it right now.
That's a lifetime bro 😀

Sooner or later we're gonna have to bypass the Great Firewall of America by VPNing into China

Print the code in a book and mail it.

Surely, they cannot ban books... right? Right?

Edit: Wait wait wait... the Comstock Act says mail cannot be used for anything that can be used for abortion. And a AI can theoretically be used to get instructions for abortion. BOOM, it's banned! 👀

So I guess it's free speech as long as you agree with the goverment's speech. If not, then it's a crime.

Elon Musk was just posting a factory of prisoners all working for cents on the dollar saying that America needs more of that.
free speech is when racial slurs obviously
Always have been, and this is a bipartisan value, heck, it's common to all political parties of the world.
- Yeah that's called being a sovereign... They will respect each other doing since it is a club in a oligarchy or "democracy" but little people need watch that mother fucking mouth, or daddy gonna issue some backhand

Your tax dollars at work!

It's only a proposed bill (thankfully), but definitely one to keep an eye on.

Eh, it's just virtue signaling nonsense. It's not going anywhere.
- that's what they said about vaguely gestures at everything
- That's what everyone thought about Trump becoming president... Both times.

Good to see some socialist policy's making their way to the US..

Oh wait...

More protectionist bullshit that won't help anyone.

Except openai and all their investors

Pretty sure that requires open-ai to be jailed

You need to think in Republican. Corporations are people up to the moment they commit a crime, at which point they are not people.

Wasn't that interested before but it does give it a certain allure now to be sure.

Made the switch to DeepSeek fo’ life.

Sounds like they haven't got better things to do if they're drafting these kinds of bills

They don't.

Cool, see y'all in jail.

I call top bunk

Shouldn't Google and Apple go to jail for distribution?

Neither Tim Apple nor Ted Google would make it a day in jail.
- Tim is gay (fr), so I'd say he'd have an (comparatively) easier time than a straight man.

I don't think he understands how open source works...

You wouldn't download a LLM

Nope. I certainly wouldn’t.

I'd get LM studio or Ollama, and download R1 your system can handle quick. If you're on Linux, Alpaca is on Flathub, you can get it and it'll download models and run them for you, including Deepseek R1.