"Demonization of corporate executives is not new."
Huh, maybe if they acted in accordance with the social contract instead of lining their pockets with the blood of others.
Nobody says fuck the fire department.
In other news, demonization of actual demons also not new. It’s been showing signs of decline though, as much more effective evils steal the attention.
This is awesome, a whole new grift. I'm surprised that this isn't a Trump initative.
If only they’d be proactive about the root cause rather than “proactive with law enforcement intelligence “
"We protect everybody on the streets of New York, not just CEOs."
Everybody gets equal protection, but some get more equal protection than others
Everyone is equal comrade. Some are far more equal than others.
Using our taxes to provide free private security to the wealthiest people in the state?
Up yours, Hochul.
Will someone think of billionaire pocketbooks in this trying time?
Just send the CEOs some (cheap) pizza, single topping. They seem to think that fixes everything.
Only Little Caesars.
The other chains occasionally deliver something minimally edible by mistake.
They are all gathering in one place
They are all gathering in one place
They are all gathering in one place
we protect everybody in the streets of New York
If they're not even currently protecting like a hundred CEOs .... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One guy dies. Suddenly the fuckin governor is holding an all hands meeting to discuss using state funds to protect wealthy elite.
Poor New Yorkers die every day…crickets.
“We care about everyone equally.”
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
"We protect everybody on the streets of New York, not just CEOs," Hochul said. "Everybody deserves the protection of our law enforcement."
New York City averages over 1 murder per day. Weird how the CEO seems to be the only one getting any attention whatsoever, since everyone is getting equal protection.
Besides that, law enforcement doesn't protect anyone. Didn't protect Brian Thompson, did it?
Law enforcement is reactive. They show up after the crime has been committed to take notes (incorrectly) and maybe arrest the wrong person. Oh, except when patrol officers are running speed traps so they can intimidate the undesirables and shake them down for fines (which are regressive), maybe abuse some authority (or just make shit up) in order to provoke an unnecessary arrest.
So can we drop gun control now?
We cant afford for every American to have secret service protection. So we should just get rid of the secret service entirely. Big money wastage. TSA also needs to go. They never did anything to start with.
What? I haven't fallen into a toilet once since they created the TSA. Those seatbelts are a life saver.
How about asking them not to be useless parasites who make things worse for the rest of us? That might help ensure their safety.
Hey gun people.
For decades I've been arguing you, and you always seem to think the 2A is very important for freedom in case you ever need to have a revolution.
I want to point out that here's an excellent chance to convince me I've been wrong about 2A being archaic.
95% of American gun owners are pussies that couldn't even get past the first hurdle when aiming at another human being unless their god king tells them to.
that's because they follow directions fairly well but lack the basic foundations of free thought.
Huh. ~200 people who've screwed over a lot of people are going to be in the same place at the same time, and that fact has been advertised?
Wow. That takes some serious balls. I wish them luck.
It's going to be a zoom call. Though it would be hilarious if the governor actually hated CEOs, got them all in one place, and tried to consistently leak the info ahead of time.
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the amount of cope in that post.
"We protect everyone on the streets of New York, not just CEOs". While they might do that, this one murder has shown that for some people, the police really does the job they should be doing for everyone.
Class solidarity for the elites; rugged individualism for the little people.
Imagine doing group therapy with 175 people
Anyone considering running for high office, and looking for a hook to run on? Run for the governor of NY on a platform of giving Luigi Mangione a full and unconditional pardon.
You would win in a landslide.
I honestly don't think this would work, too many older people vote and they are not generally in agreement with the working class plights of modern times. They think we should still make a nickle while they make a buck because they got there first.
My mother, who literally works at a hospital fighting with insurance companies all day long to get things approved, "doesn't understand" why this happened in the first place, and thinks all the people who are pleased about it are "sad and pathetic"
Personally I think she fully understands why people cheer it on, she just chooses to ignore it because things aren't bad enough for her yet so CLEARLY everyone else is overreacting....
They can do that lying down. In the dirt. In a moisture-sealed box. In perpetuity.
That way, that money can actually do something for those actually living life. 🤌🏽
Funny how it's all about protecting people when a rich guy gets shot but not when any of us gets shot.
One murder has put it all in to stark relief for many where the loyalties of law enforcement lie; and yet i cant help but think no one will remember who was on the side of the working class come election season
Which party represents workers again?
None
no one will remember who was on the side of the working class come election season
To be fair, at the very most 5% of national level general elections feature a candidate who's not an enemy of the working class.
Because probably the richest political party in the world is the least bad of two options and blatantly favor donors over grassroots in the primaries that they are somehow still allowed to be the arbiters of.
It's like pitting 1989 Mike Tyson against 1989 Mohammed Ali, except Ali gets a head start where Tyson has to stand completely still, a loaded shotgun, and is the match referee.
Corporate executives convince themselves they only do their job. Their action are evil but they are rewarded for it, so much so that "evil has become banal".
Recently reminded of the truth, they consider that "demonization". Why should people leave you alone if you're killing us & the planet?
Even if "you're just doing your job", it still affect us personally and the law will either not be upholded or defend the right of the people. The only way then is steel.
I'm dumb: I don't see the complexity in Luigi's action. I only see the truth: the only action that changed something after decades of non-violent political activism was bullets in a CEO.
What did it change? Perhaps more people are becoming aware of the scope of the problem but from a practical perspective I don't think any difference has been made up to this point.
Blue Cross backpedaled real fuckin' hard on the whole "we won't pay for your surgeries anesthesia" things right after.
I think about them all the time actually...
They'll socialize their security but they won't socialize medicine.
Free market for thee, but not for me.
@Lettuceeatlettuce @Schmoo "everyone needs protection" apparently not people on health insurance
Everybody deserves protection, says the governor only protecting the elites.
CEOs and executives aren’t the target of the anger, it’s sociopathic CPAs (Cunts, Pricks, and Arseholes). It doesn’t help that to succeed as an executive one must embrace being a sociopath.
The easiest path to remove the targets they’ve painted on themselves is to cease being, and behaving like, sociopaths.
More broadly, we need to stop incentivising, rewarding, and normalising sociopathy.
I stopped at "cease being".
The easiest path to remove the targets they’ve painted on themselves is to cease being, and behaving like, sociopaths.
Or perhaps the aristocracy just builds another ring of fences and hires another battalion of guards.
Everybody deserves the protection of our law enforcement, unless you aren't wealthy or powerful. And if you're black, we'll be sure to harass and/or assault you.
So we know for sure which side of the class war New York Governor Kathy Hochul is part of.
Are you taking notice state voters?
The voters will get ads about all these random promises for the working class and then once elected the governor will continue to do favors for the wealthy elite who paid for those ads on their behalf, putting them in office and giving them some power to help out their friends and family. The promises to the working class won't be fulfilled, but that's ok because they never are. If the opinion is that bad they'll just vote for the "other" party who follows the same big money finance playbook because there's no other way to succeed in major elections outside of big money.
This is the way the world works, it's not just NY. It's never going to change unless humans are removed from the equation, likely in an extinction event.
Excited to see a huge investment in PR for corporate leadership in the next few years. Like Shark Tank and Undercover Boss weren't saccharine enough. You're going to get the Full Israel of media coverage soon.
I haven't watched a lot of Shark Tank, but it wasn't doing a lot to endear billionaires to me. But given how little I watched, I may not be the target demographic.
Why are CEOs getting special treatment? don't they already get paid enough to afford personal security?
So these virtual meetings are held any time anyone in New York gets murdered, right? No?
“Demonization of corporate executives is not new.”
I wonder why that is.
Reminds me of a great way to put it I read somewhere on Lemmy the other day:
Nobody is vilifying billionaires. It's just not possible. You can't vilify someone when they're already a villain
State assistance for corporate security
If we don't take the funds from healthcare budget, then Iran will win.
“Demonization of corporate executives is not new”
Right - they’ve been demons for a long time, and we literally had to invent the FTC to curb these robber barons’ lust for power over 100 years ago. They’ve been working steadily ever since to erode that protection and exploit us even further. Demons, the lot of ‘em.
How stupid can they get? All of this is reinforcing the perception (read "fact") that violence against corporate executives has significant impact and instantly makes you famous (or infamous). Is what they are doing really the best course of action given the oversupply of people in America with easy access to guns that also feel powerless and disenfranchised? Anyone can see how this has the makings of becoming a recurring thing.
I am not weeping over it, but it is a little shocking to see how poorly they are handling all of it.
And yet nothing is really going to come of it. I guarantee you this will be swept under the rug as soon as they can get kids back in school and schedule the next shooting. The fuckers at the top won't see another real threat.
Gosh, where and when is this group of 175 people going to be?
Think of the CEOs. Think about them when buying a gun. Think about them when sharpening a hatchet. Think of them, when building a guillotine...
when building a guillotine...
There's a guy on tiktok that actually did this, built an actual working guillotine I mean.
Don't ask me for his handle, I don't remember and I don't use tiktok. He came up in my youtube shorts a while back.
If Kathy is the one calming the CEOs it sounds like she'd be the next target as part of Operation Scrooge.
Or they could, you know, just stop being dicks.
I thought it was the onion for a second there, but nope it's t a real article
Its_scared!.meme
They could have voted for Cynthia Nixon.
New York wanted these assholes.
They could have voted for Cynthia Nixon.
Yes, and they should have.
New York wanted these assholes.
Probably not, no.
You see, propaganda is much more effective than most people know or are willing to admit, and New York, being the largest media market in North America, is a very clear example of that.
You don't have to be an idiot to be swayed by effective messaging, and messaging doesn't have to make sense to be effective.
You don’t have to be an idiot to be swayed by effective messaging
Actually a fair and salient point. You're not wrong.
Maybe pull the bootstraps or something?
Oh no
On the one hand, I can't see how the victim was guilty based on the manifesto or stats I've seen. On the other, I'm wondering why they aren't just educating the public on how Luigi was misguided.
How does one educate people on how another is misguided...if they weren't?
Exactly. The governor of NY should give him a full pardon, and the mayor of NYC should throw him a parade.
Hell, as neither of those are going to happen, I'm tempted to start a crowd funding campaign to build a big bronze statue of the guy. We could install it alongside a major road in Minnetonka, MN. Make every UHC employee drive past a giant statue of the guy that merc'd their CEO, every day as they go into work.
Tell me you have never had to truly deal with the American healthcare system without telling me that you have never had to truly deal with the American healthcare system.
Went to hospital with the flu around toddler / infant age, ended up with chicken pox which showed up down my throat as well. My father mentioned a few times that I came back as a different kid. I can remember being in a crib scratching my back on the rails.
Minor puffiness on my wrist with tendon pain (not conventional tendonitis). Prescribed Naproxen which killed my stomach leaving me in horrible pain. -Prescribed Vioxx and made it worse. Ended up on prescription ant-acids that cause stomach cancer, and I believe Vioxx was removed from the market for causing deaths from heart related issues. The puffiness didn't go away and wasn't near as threatening.
Paxil for depression - Made me extremely irritable and prone to violence (like wanting to kill people over stupid shit). -Could have landed me in prison (a person that's often cited as not having a violent bone in their body).
Blood pressure medicine when I should have been counseled about drinking daily and other avoidable causes. -It's risky stopping them, and they kept losing efficacy while eventually causing edema.
Wisdom teeth removal is over-prescribed and not plugging the holes left from it causes bone loss (or the main reason people lose their teeth).
Maybe I've had enough experience.
I'm wondering why they aren't just educating the public on how Luigi was misguided.
Do not be fooled. They know what the people want, they are not incompetent. They simply have a conflict of interest.
They don't actually plan on responding to the peaceful methods that the public has to change anything, or being a true "representative" for the people in that they represent and champion the wishes and needs of the people. They would both lose significant support from the capitalists that line their pockets, and look like hypocrites if they advertised and/or made possible peaceful means of change to a population that is very publicly motivated to make those changes happen, because they would eventually have to stand in the way of that change in order to please the capitalists. Social welfare is really bad for business, the capitalists need these ailments to exist in society so that they can sell us the cure.
The media and politicians want us to feel helpless. They want us to look to them as our only means of change so that they can gatekeep what changes are actually possible and what is allowed to occupy the national consciousness. They know what we want, they don't want to give it to us, which leaves them with two options: reveal the system for the undemocratic hyper-capitalist machine it is, or gaslight the people so the wheels of the machine can keep turning another day. The first option is not something that is ever going to happen and remains the burden of the people that want to see real meaningful change.
