‘Hitting kids should never be allowed’: Illinois bans corporal punishment in all schools

It's frustrating how long it takes the legal system to catch up. I experienced corporal punishment in public school. It's a barbaric and weird practice.

Wait till you find out how often the state executes harmless restrained prisoners in modern day US.

Nope, it’s still legal to spank children in Canada. As long as the force used does not exceed what is considered reasonable under the circumstances. Linked article

Personal anecdote: when I was in 3rd grade in the early 2000s, there was a student in class that had major behavioural issues and would act out all the time. I had witnessed an incident in class which the student was acting out in front of the teacher, which eventually escalated to the point where he started throwing his desk around and threw his chair at her. After the teacher returned to class a few days later, she had disclosed to the whole class that she had a signed permission form by the student’s parents authorizing her to use force on the student.

It would explain alot

It is entirely possible to give children consequences without hitting them, you lack imagination if the only way you can envision giving a child consequences is to hit them.

Why do you think, “if you do something I disapprove of, I will cause you pain,” is a good lesson to teach a child? When a child does that to another child, it’s called bullying.

There's a difference between fear and respect. A child should NEVER fear the adult providing their care.

I would actually wager decent money that many of those little shits have been smacked around quite a lot. They learn to react how they were taught by demonstration. If mistakes are met with violence and aggression, then they learn to do the same to others.

I know a teacher who (unofficially) specialises in kids like those. They are hell on a new teacher. However, once they realise that they are not met with aggression, the veneer cracks. The young scared child realises that there is an adult they both cares and shouldn't be feared. Very soon, just the idea that they might disappoint her is a far better motivator than any punishment could be.

Can you imagine being unable to communicate with a child without having the option of hitting them?

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after just a decade of therapy.

does wonders.

Also explains a lot about American culture being what it is.

We all learned to convincingly lie our way out of “the wooden spoon”

My mom wasn't strong enough to beat me and I quickly got bigger than my step-dad, but the psychological and mental abuse was there. And now she questions why it don't let her hang out with my son alone and will abruptly leave with him when I get even a whiff of it.

Edit: forgot my point, but yes, I too became a master liar.

To be fair, your case applies to any sort of punishment.

• I'm punished if I do something wrong.
• If they don't find out, I don't get punished.

Conclusion: need to hide doing something wrong better.

Not in every state.

Patriarchal violence...

But true, the US is one of the few countries that didn't sign the children's rights convention

Sources please. Never heard this. Always heard the cops do little, sometimes heard the system works. Have not heard cops tell kids they can be hit. (Edit: not doubting, just more in a wtf state.)

Catholic schools still hit kids, iirc. Fairly certain it's legal in private schools. (In AZ)

Violent crime in rural areas is dramatically underreported because cops don't even take reports for domestic violence unless it requires an ambulance ride.

Mississippi is the poorest state in the US, with a poverty rate of 18.7%, followed by Louisiana as the second poorest state, with a poverty rate of 17.8%, and New Mexico, as the third poorest state in the US, at a poverty rate of 16.8%.

I don't know, is it?

Or they ain't so gud at countin'.

Is the point of hitting children to reduce violent crime? I have a feeling there are better ways. Maybe we should work on getting rid of microplastics.

Oh yeah, I think girls didn't even have the option.

I dont know if the girls gym teacher just wouldn't do it, or if none of them picked it, but none of them got swats.

But almost every gym class there was a line of boys waiting.

spanking teenage girls

This is a thing that happens?

At my school, the principal wasn’t allowed to paddle girls. Only boys.

I don’t know who made that rule but I can imagine why.

Im sure you have sources right? Would you share them so we can all spread the word?

Girls have a higher pain tolerance than boys.

Sounds like the sort of thing a doctor says while explaining himself at an inquisition.

I'm seeing conflicting research on a cursory look.

I don't think that guy could take a Singapore caning and remain conscious, much less standing.

We'll. Unless you want me to call up my middle school gym teacher I dont really know what you want me to do here champ...

But part of that is because you replied to a long comment asking for a source without mentioning what you were talking about.

Even then, looking at my entire comment I have absolutely zero idea what the fuck you're asking for here.

What is ISS?

Once upon a time, back in the dark ages when I was in school, kids like that were sent to the principal's office, at which point they might be given detention, suspension, or even expulsion.

Wipe it off, tell the child in no uncertain terms that this is never acceptable, and if it continues being confrontational to that degree, send it to the principal's office to get detention.

Not to arrest children.

Wow, I thought that was just a thing in cartoons. Huh, weird.

Can you cite such studies, please?

This is commendable of course. Do you think it's because you're just a better person, or because the child was a better person? Where would you put yourself in the nature vs nurture dimension?

This is the same logic given for school aged children to not fight back against bullies for decades, and bullying is now a huge problem.

I'm talking about a situation where your own child is exhibiting bullying characteristics at a very young age. You can't sit them down and explain why pulling their sibling's hair shouldn't give them gratification...they still want to do it. Just when you're not around. The consequences have to be emotionally driven, and something they can understand and feel even when an adult is not present. What's your alternative? Timeout? Take a toy away?

I had a brother who tormented me for many years. My parents tried various things, and nothing worked. The thing that did work was me hitting him in the face with a metal belt when I was like ten when he physically attacked me for the millionth time. He just name-called after that, never touched me.

Obviously an adult is not going to do something like that. But how do you correct a very young child who is exhibiting signs that they are growing into a bully?