I'm on your level. People get really weird about milk despite the fact that the majority of people consume animal flesh on a daily basis. Milk is way low on the weird food scale.
The problem is that they give the cows growth hormone and high amounts of estrogen to encourage lactation and it's in the milk. I'm lactose intolerant like half of adults anyway so I do almond milk and olive oil butter personally.
afaik, it's not really a myth. it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens and it's often recommended as a supplement for HRT. Probably not enough to have much of an effect on its own though
Its basically been proven as bullshit, physiologically if you are healthy its not true. There MAY be edge cases where if you are lacking the vitamins/minerals/essential fats necessary for hormone regulation it MAY in SOME people cause SOME irregularity but edge cases are just that.
Phytoestrogens and estrogens have some similarities in their chemical structure and ability to bind to estrogen receptors, but they have important differences in their effects on the human body:
Estrogens are hormones produced naturally in the body, primarily in the ovaries in women. They are essential for sexual and reproductive development and function[5].
Phytoestrogens are plant-derived compounds that have a similar chemical structure to estrogens and can bind to estrogen receptors, but they are not hormones and are not produced naturally in the human body[1][4].
Phytoestrogens typically have much weaker estrogenic effects compared to human estrogens like estradiol[1][3]. The effects of phytoestrogens depend on factors like the specific type, dose, and individual differences in metabolism and estrogen levels[2].
Consuming phytoestrogens from foods like soy, flaxseeds, fruits and vegetables is unlikely to have a significant impact on estrogen levels or health, as the amounts are very low compared to what the body naturally produces[4]. Concentrated phytoestrogen supplements may have more noticeable effects.
In some cases, phytoestrogens may actually have anti-estrogenic effects by blocking estrogen receptors or reducing the body's own estrogen production[1][3]. This is thought to be due to their structural similarity to estrogens.
Some potential benefits of phytoestrogens that have been studied include:
Reducing menopausal symptoms like hot flashes in some women[1][3]
Improving cardiovascular health markers[2][4]
Reducing risk of certain cancers like breast and prostate cancer[3][6]
However, the evidence is mixed, with many studies finding no significant effects[1][2]. Potential risks include:
Blocking estrogen receptors and reducing the body's own estrogen production[1][3]
Interfering with thyroid function in some cases[2]
Potential effects on breast and prostate cancer risk, though the evidence is inconclusive[3][6]
See, what his coworkers did was good bullying. Anon learned something and also wasn't fired for whatever skeevy pseudosexual thing he was implying about his coworker, probably over politics. Winning hearts and minds, people.
This is all very ironic, considering drinking excessive cows milk leeches calcium out of our bones and exposes us to a smorgasbord of hormones not designed for humans.
At this point I just don't believe anything weird anyone has to say about food humanity has eaten for thousands of years unless they can back it up with real studies from real medical journals.
I haven't totally believed this, but I also think its potentially useful to spread anyway. Sure, misinformation is bad, but so is climate change. Which one is worse?
Out of all the things you can make out of soy, why milk? Tofu exists and it's grand-master based food. I'll smash several plates of mapo tofu without hesitation. Soy sauce, edamame, all ridiculously good shit.
I disagreed with you until last night about tofu. But gods damn that orange tofu I had last night was just excellent. Good tofu is apparently something that exists and was just always out of reach
Personally, I prefer soy milk to cow or oat milk because it has a better nutritional profile. It has less sugar and fat, and more protein, as well as having fiber. (Some oat milk brands do have fiber in them, but most of the ones I've found are very high in fat, sugar, and calories.)
Edit: And I like the not-overpowering vanilla flavored ones because I pretty much only use it for cereal or to accompany cookies.
Amazing, prior to today I didn't know people could have this much information on soy and still end up objectively incorrect about its position relative to oat milk.
How the fuck does this get posted all the time without anyone ever picking up on the fact that this workplace dynamic is obviously made up and anon is literally a 4chan kid who just changed the actors in his story from ''teacher' and "classmate" to 'boss' and 'coworker' so he wouldn't get banned on an 18+ imageboard.
Not only that, but mammal milk is literally hormone soup. Including estrogen. And soy doesn't actually contain the same type of estrogen. They contain isoflavones including plant estrogen (phytoestrogen). Similar but different chemical, with different bioavailability in mammals.
Also:
For example, many studies have found that Western-type dietary patterns characterized by high intakes of red meat, processed foods, sweets, dairy, and refined grains are consistently associated with higher estrogen levels ( 3 , 15 , 16 , 17 ).
On that day, anon found out he really is a soyboy soyjack. Did he learn anything else? Nobody cares, only that soyboy won't manage to pull that on anyone at work.
The soy thing has to be one of the funniest delusions I've ever seen.
People convincing themselves that all liberals are vegans, all vegans eat a diet primarily of soy, and that soy has compounds similar to estrogen, so therefore all liberal men are feminized by their diets and are therefore weak (because being a woman is bad).
The number of weird things you have to believe out of insecurity to get to that conclusion are quite embarrassing. It's quite a self-report.
You can also reverse the argument into mockery, accusing conservative women of being too masculine because they don't eat enough soy, then bragging about how feminine soy-loving liberal women are.
The hilarious part is that the phytoestrogen in soy and other plants isn't compatible with our biology. High qualities studies hava failed to find an effect.
It's also why the most deeply delusional MAGAs have to convince themselves that Tim Walz is gay - because a gun toting bird-hunting liberal does not compute for them.
Finding a reason to completely disregard not just the ideas but even the humanity of huge swaths of other people is conservatism 101. Just give in to your most base tribal tendencies, and âknowâ that all those good-sounding ideas are in fact wrong and evil because theyâre coming from the wrong/lesser people.
When you canât argue against ideas, argue against the people saying them. See if ad-hominem attacks will work on people. (narrator: they did)
Nah, I like that YouTubers like hbomber and Oki take time on their videos. It's like a gift when you see that upload pop up in your feed and you know you have something to look forward to later.
I think I am just thankful for the giant feature length works of art that descend once a year crafted with the forethought and precision of one who refuses to compromise on the lengthy process of research.
I moved to a rural area a few years back and thereâs a lot of farms here. Thus, many of the people Iâve met are farmers or have worked on farms. After a year or so of asking people what they raise/grow on their farms it finally happened and I met someone who said they grew soybeans. I asked him if he was a soyboy and he was really not amused.
Iâm pretty sure he saw it coming too, when he said soybeans I had to have a huge shit eating grin on my face. I was waiting for that day
Reminds me of the youtuber Jake Tran. Ever since he made that in video about soy milk turning people into soyboys I unsubbed. I feel like he pumped out much better content maybe in his earlier days, but lately, I think it's conservative bs.
You show up the next opportunity and give everyone a soymilk while pressuring them awkwardly to drink it in front of you, and threaten to make it a regular thing in a passive aggressive way; all while acting totally cool about it, as if you like it.
People harp on the environmental problem with almond milk, but it literally uses half the water of dairy milk so until every stops drinking dairy, I'll keep using Blue Diamond for my cereal.