I literally don't care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
I care that he's not pardoning people in immigration detention. Instead he just pardons his crackhead son and leaves.
Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it's a small club and we ain't in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi's or Obama's life become more difficult because of the election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.
Forty-five years of neoliberal salami slicing via lesser-evilism is how we got to this place.
I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old. Biden is also responsible for thousands of people behind bars because of "a dumb drug offense".
I don't think that Trump should be the bar for morality and ethics in this country. It's lazy to bring him into this conversation.
You're right. I should have said "his son" instead.
And America has proven nobody cares except the Democrats who don't vote for high horse reasons son who cares.
there are so many other people's children in jail for dumb drug offences...
...That Biden specifically helped put there with his drug and police laws.
Finished that sentence for you.
All drugs should be legal.
We all know humanity will refuse to unclench our collective butthole regarding capitalism during our lives. At least let us get high as fuck on whatever we want while we wage slave to barely make it.
Perhaps it's more about the working class suffering then it is about money and power. Remarkable if that's true.
Tell Biden drugs should be legal to his face he'd have you enslaved at your nearest private prison. This is how little of a shit he gives about criminals and their upbringing. He should have kept that same energy, but as always, rules are for the poors.
Drugs should be legal, driving recklessly with guns while high should definitely not be legal. I don't think Americans deserve to die for walking around despite how much I hate their country.
No they should not be without the other support networks in place. BC in Canada decimalized and it made shit worse. You need the support infrastructure in place to help people with addiction also.
It does seem pretty banana republic-y
If the peel fits, join the bunch.
Sounds like some classic whataboutism. What time is it in Moscow, comrade!?
That is very cute but any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden. What you meant to say is you only care when Trump does it.
I would say that the issue is not who is doing the pardoning but who is being pardoned. There's a clear difference between Hunter being pardoned and Russian assets being pardoned.
any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden
Damn. Then I guess they win. All the Liz Cheneys in the world won't be able to beat them
Here is the only issue I have with the pardon. Once Kamala lost, Biden should have started to go hog wild with last minute shenanigans in order to give Americans things they actually need. Instead he decided to pardon Hunter a full month before leaving office rather than helping us out and doing the pardon on the last day. Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
I don’t know why you’re so concerned for Genocide Joe’s legacy, but if his last 47 months are any indication, he’s unlikely to uncharacteristically give Americans what they actually need in his 48th.
Not my buddy Jim Crow Joe, it's these damn Republican fascists he considers his friends who won't let him make America great again
Eh, he's been pretty good over all. We've had better, though the list of worse Presidents is a bit longer. Over all, Joe did step up and get more done than expected for what felt like a forced square into a round hole situation. What he might not have done was solve YOUR issues.
The issue wasn't his full term. The issue became his last handful of months and the absolute atrocity that is the DNC communication strategy.
His administration is hopeless at messaging anyway so no one has known nor will they know anything Biden has done.
They'd notice if he had Trump and all his goons disappeared to a black site... You know, as an official act... Against terrorism and traitors even
I think Biden should have gone hog wild with shenanigans that Americans actually need 4 years ago, but you're right that now would still be a good time.
They’re already trying to finalize rules, complete process do previously passed initiatives can be nailed down. The government can be very slow, and that’s a good thing for stability and fairness. It’s especially good to reduce the promised dumpster fire of the next four years.
Is there really anything he can start at this point that would have lasting effects? Going hog wild with shenanigans may be satisfying but not likely to do anything more than create headlines
I feel like creating headlines is sort of what the Democratic party needs right now though. They just lost what should be a slam dunk election largely because a bunch of people just didn't show up. Flashy headlines probably make at least some of those people show up.
He has immunity. He could legit just start arresting people with the Guard
Yo, we're in Trump land now, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change. Trump already pardoned Jared Kushner's criminal dad, so why not pardon your own son now? The game is changed and if you're still holding on to ethical ideals you're a fool. At the very least Biden is making sure they can't chase his son as part of a witch hunt next year.
People voted for Trump or failed to turn out for Kamila, either way everyone now needs to get used to the new norm.
EDIT: The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son's best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I've ever seen. If this group is actually just a bunch of super leftist and not foreign manipulation then I look forward to watching y'all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.
No no no, you don't understand. We're not responsible for the consequences of our voting decisions if Kamala ran a weak campaign.
Not a USAmerican, so not exactly talking about the politics, but some issues.
The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son's best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I've ever seen
Why not?
It's not like Trump is supported by the leftists in lemmy.It just shows them that Biden is not very different from Trump. They have been saying that and pushing for 3rd parties or other President nominees.
Biden chooses to do this rather than set guardrails or do something to ensure that Trump is not given free reign.This is further validation for their view.
And since Trump becoming president is a grave thing, does it mean that the Democrats are bad, because they have not done enough to stop it?
I look forward to watching y'all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.
Palestine is being wiped out even under Biden.
US leaving Nato would be big, but we can never know how the effects would be like, right?Yeah it is weird how self righteous liberals react towards being shown over and over that their group is to blame for this shitshow.
But I doubt the US will ever leave NATO without a coup happening in the US. The US would basically lose more than half their geopolitical influence.
Not like either side is helping us. Kamala, Democrats, and Joe biden ran the last 4 years quietly and campaigned on no change. They lost the election by not convincing 250k voters in 4 states to not vote for them.
Joe biden pardoning his son is his legacy. Joe said he would be a one term president then tried to run for a second term ruining a primary. Democrats chose Kamala harris and she accepted. This country was founded on old people letting go of power and stepping aside and down. If George Washington wanted to he could have been a king. The old dems are grasping at power and control rather than trusting a populist candidate.
Joe Biden could be abusing his power and fighting for change from the bully pulpit to affect Americans and make an outcry but instead went back in his word twice and pardoned his son abusing his power for selfish gain.
Kamala instead of campaigning to fight hatred and cause change went with joy and changing nothing . She even capituatated to right wing talking points moving Democrats to the right. Even though policy wise leftist policy is good and ppopular policy.
Lastly the democrats ran a Hilary Clinton style campaign being a nerd with stats and defended institutions. Obama won because change Biden won because change.
Nah you just don't get it cause everyone else is to much of a ducking stupid imbred moron who didn't get to go to the good school that I went to to realize how I am right about everything in their life and that dumb people don't have a right to complain because they are stupid anyways and it proves they can't be trusted until I educate them better which I don't want to do because I am living a better life than them in every way.
So like it's not the Dems fault and people should just accept what's best for them and be ready to be used as a scapegoat whenever we throw a tantrum for things not going out way and just leave without doing anything cause they don't even deserve kindness anymore even though we have totally been kind the whole time!
/Hard S
But tell them they are talking to people all wrong and suddenly we are all Russian bots, or trolls, or secretly Trumpers cause true friends (good followers) should just accept them as already perfect like they see themselves.
Ugh.
All the trolls that were “liberals = genocide” or “eggs are $99” or “cant afford gas” while completely ignoring normal egg prices, seriously low gas prices, and trump’s plan to let the Israelis do whatever they want have switched to “Biden bad because pardon!” Again, completley ignoring trump’s pardons of criminals in his administration, family by marriage, and the fact we got a law absolving the president of any “crime” committed while president if the (captured) SCOTUS says it’s fine. But no…who cares about trump. Biden bad!!
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Wow, the liberals are straight up admitting their monstrous racism now?
the US leaves NATO
This would be good for the Global South, which is why Trump won't do it
and western democracy collapses.
The West hasn't had a workable implementation of Democracy to begin with, though if you finally recognize that are you going to sit out or do something about it?
It's not an issue that actually affects them so they only pretend to care when it's easy, then swap back the moment there is no backlash or they get what they want enough to not have to pretend again. That's like the whole shtick of a liberal.
But we got to love them cause they are the superior liberal.
Very well said. I'm NOT looking forward to watching anybody eat crow if all that shit happens. We will have far more pressing concerns than gloating over a bunch of petulant dickweeds who didn't show up. They didn't, and that's that. The reality is settling in that America may be about to end - like every civilization does. It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
No, it wasn't, it was and still is a fucking genocidal shitshow right from the start to the end which can't come soon enough.
At this point, of cours ehe should
People will rightfully call him out and then forget about it by tomorrow when trump says something stupid.
Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine
Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine
Yep. There's literally a massive laundry list of BS trump did in 2016.
Biden honestly can do whatever the hell he wants because it'll be completely buried in three months.
Not only that, he's never running again, he has literally nothing to lose, and doing this isn't going to affect votes/popularity of whoever runs next.
99% of people in his position would do the same.
Causality is a bit more complicated than that unfortunately for him.
DNC: We're the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.
They have some good policy. So don't forget that. If Americans voted based on policy alone they would do themselves a lot more good. That said, the DNC fails to win elections and have sceded so much power to the GOP already they might as well be the same.
I love it how the liberals think "Well Trump did it too!" is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously
Lmao there are loads of those comments in this thread. I need to start blocking libs because they say so much fascist apologia
He's retiring and can help his one son. If I were him, I would have said "fuck it." too...
I also would have said fuck it and have Trump and friends sent to guantanamo.
The time to do this would've been immediately after it was discovered that Trump took classified documents and had them in his home during visits from foreign agents.
The Republicans would've howled about it, but I think it could have been done, at that moment. Like, have the first news about it not be talking about the documents, but simply that former President Trump has been detained and will not be allowed to communicate with anyone but his legal representation, because of suspicion of potential coded communication to enemy agents.
Thanks to Trump judges, Presidents have Absolute Immunity.
Joe can absolutely start draining the swamp.
And the people clearly voted overwhelmingly for fascism. So like, why go against the will of the people?
In the end, if people aren't willing to vote against fascism, you cannot prevent it by establishing new rules (or in this case breaking the old ones).
You can’t vote your way out of fascism but you can certainly vote your way into it.
Maybe one of these days the liberals will fucking learn from history.
I’m not saying it was right, but Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it, only that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
I don’t know that this is worth making a fuss over.
Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them "has it the most rough" to "least rough", I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
Exactly. What crackhead is getting off on a gun possession? That's a slam dunk for a DA to put numbers on the board.
Libs just have their heads up their asses. Legalities around guns + drugs have been the corner stone of state suppression for decades. Libs love screaming about freeing their favorite rapper or how Regan is a hypocrite that passed gun control in CA, but suddenly pretend it's not typical when their guy's son catches a case.
My big issue with it is basically summed up by this meme. By doing this he's established that he's willing to break promises and take advantage of systems that republicans are abusing, but only when it benefits him personally. He could executive order a bunch of different things, and go on a pardon spree, but what he does with his power is just to pardon his son. Unlike the rest of us, a Trump presidency will basically not affect him at all, and the little it would/did has to do with his son and he doesn't even have to deal with that.
Do I want his son in prison? No, not really. But considering he all but lied about being a 1 term president and refused to step down making a primary impossible, which at least contributed to the dems loss, it's an extra slap in the face that the only real consequence he had to face is able to be erased by a stroke of his pen, and yet he seems to be doing nothing to protect or help anyone else who has been hurt by his decisions. I don't think Hunter should suffer because of who his dad is, but his dad is making (and has made) us all suffer and is unwilling to do anything about it.
I'm not making a fuss about it, but if I was, it'd not be about the pardon, it'd be about how his big move as a lame duck with immunity confirmed by the Supreme Court is to get his son out of prison and watch everyone else suffer.
Hunter did get it rough
there's a guy who doesn't care about who got it rough and his name rhymes with genocidin'
Whomst among us hasn't been given cushy jobs we aren't qualified for in corrupt Ukrainian companies by our dad and then done a bunch of blow with prostitutes and tax fraud and illegally owned guns!? Clearly this is a witch hunt.
I'm torn.
It's bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I'd fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.
Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that's almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend's house in a state where it's legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.
But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump's sycophants will absolutely cling to this.
I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I'm just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that's useful to Americans during his last few months in office.
Yeah this is a man who committed a minor crime that’s rarely prosecuted who was sentenced because his father is President, he was about to have a real bad time because of who his father is if he wasn’t pardoned. I can’t judge Biden for this. He’d never have pardoned him if someone who would treat him on his own merits was the incoming president
How it looks is beside the point. If it's moral then it's moral, and people who are looking at it need to deal with it. As for what Trump's sycophants will do, they're going to do crazy s*** anyway.
When judges ignore plea deals, they are asking for people to strip them of power. That's what happened here, the judge deserved what they got. If you can't find justice in the courts, then to hell with the courts.
Noone is criticizing Biden for pardoning his son. Theyre criticizing him for ONLY pardoning his son and doing jack shit besides that. Im happy that his son has someone willing to use the system to help him, i wish the rest of you did too.
Unfortunately Biden is known for packing up the slavery prisons with people who in any just country shouldn't be there and keeping them there for the profits of corpos. In this light him pardoning his son is even worse than just nepotistic abuse of power.
They'll cling to it but now that Hunter is pardoned all they can do is whine, just as Dems will do after Bonespurs pardons himself. But both will be done deals. Hunter Biden's case will be over - no more wasting congressional time and resources with pointless hearings and investigations.
I really can't blame him. If I were Biden, I would not want my child in a justice system controlled by Trump and his cronies
Exactly how I feel. It is certainly favoritism that undermines our justice system, but I think very few people would choose not to intervene to save a child they loved from great suffering, even if they knew their child had earned the punishment. It may be wrong, but it's very understandable that in this case he prioritizes being a good father over being a good president.
Yep. But I don't want to hear cope and the liberals explaining why it's good and all his other shittiness is excused.
It's funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were "the good people". It's just so ridiculous.
They didn't punch us directly. They paid people for that. That's why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?
You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.
There is one party closely associated with judging others and is filled with elitist snobs.
Wait when did Biden abuse his powers to prevent fascism?
Currently he's creating a comfy transition for one to become president.
That was the point, he didn't. he used it selfishly for his son. which is understandable. but we're mocking him for it because he didn't use it to do anything useful. Which coincidentally is also why we didn't want to keep him or harris as president.
Ah, thanks!
I want to be mad, but this is nothing compared to who trump pardoned.
compared to who Trump pardoned
...and will soon add himself to that list.
I'll admit it, your meme was a lot nicer about it.
Yeah. This is the pardon that is going to break the country, not the fact that individual’s who received a pardon from Trump’s first term and now being nominated to his cabinet.
For civilians, posting revenge porn like mtg did during congressional hearings would be highly illegal and any judge would take that into consideration. Judges are a lot more lenient than people think and he broke the law, but he is the only one who ever had Congress use revenge porn on...
It is also crazy they spent millions investigating Hunter Biden because they found nothing on Biden himself
If MTG didn't fiddle herself over Hunter every night and post his dick pics everywhere, sure, Biden shouldnt have done it
But, they did.
The harsh reality is, that Biden should be able to sue for damages, but he can't do that
I so ready MTG as Magic the gathering..so i cast one colorless and one blue for time walk...
To Walk Back to Pre Trump era. Lets See whats gonna happen
New York Times gonna blame this when he falls from a building in January
That's not abuse, that's remediation of a political lynching wholly motivated by the butthurt babies in congress
If everyone who comments here emailed Joe Biden with suggestions as to how he could use his newly-expanded powers to help deserving people in America (or influenced by America) it would probably not make a difference, but there's a non-zero possibility he'd actually do some of it.
Trump already did this with Kushmer's daddy. Old news.
I'm sorry but the fact that people are so outraged with Biden for doing this is exactly why Kamala lost.
Trump and the Democrats are held to completely different standards. Trump is willing to fight dirty to win at all costs, and that's why he won. It sucks to hear but it's true.
You're absolutely right that they dont fight dirty enough. Hiwever, I'd say that Democrats lost largely because Kamala was too cowardly to distance herself from biden and his awful policies. She lost because she chose to court moderate Republicans (who gave her the finger and voted for the fascist. Big surprise!).
Biden pardoning his loser son does nothing for the most marginalized folks who will have to deal with Trump's fascist regime in the coming year. It's not a good look that the only time Biden "fights dirty" is to serve his own interests.
Democrats are also willing to fight dirty to win at all cost. They just did
You are confused what winning means for them. It is not forgiving student loan or raising minimum wage.
Let's face it for elites.... They are not American, they are Elites that use America as their playground ... The Biden tanked the Harris campaign out of spite and don't care who gets in as it doesn't really affect them.
These are extremely rich people..... Unless we are in Red China, they have nothing to fear
Red China is long gone mon ami. Communism with Chinese Characteristics loves the rich, but only if you're aligned to the correct clique.
This is a common statement by those who haven't read theory, especially among the Western Left, but this isn't true in any capacity. Billionaires are regularly executed in the PRC, the fact that the PRC has a private sector doesn't mean it has shifted away from Marxism-Leninism. The entire reason Marx predicted Socialism, ie Public Ownership and Central Planning, to overtake Capitalism is because markets naturally prepare the foundations for Socialism. Competition forces more and more companies to consolidate and grow, develop their own infrastructure for planning, which can be siezed and used by the public.
Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?
Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.
-Engels, The Principles of Communism
Half the economy of the PRC is in the Public Sector, and another almost tenth is in the cooperative sector. The Private Sector covers mostly light industry that depends on Publicly Owned industries like steel and public infrastructure. As Capital consolidates in the Markets, the CPC increases ownership. I recommend reading Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Markets are more efficient at lower levels of development, and Public Ownership and Planning is more efficient at higher levels of development.
If you want to learn more about Marxism, I made an introductory Marxist reading list.
No offense, but Harris more than capably tanked her own campaign by being as milquetoast as biden when it comes to supporting the working class.
None taken, however my comment and yours can both be true which is my concern....
From various reports it would seem that President Biden is quite a nasty little thing that, with his wife, have a very overinflated view of themselves.... (what président doesn't I guess) however he has been vindictive for being ousted for the president debste(which was a no brainer...) and honestly I truly believe that he did on purpose to tank Harris.
She has herself to blame for sure however, even Bill Clinton through his speach about the middle eastern conflict stired up the wrong tone....
The democratic party is in need to a cleanup... Then again I would say the same of the republican as well as they are under the leadership of a loon... (thinking of Black Adder with King George III)
Dark Brandon Forever
Who GAF. If Americans didn't want a Trump dictatorship, the 10 million who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn't bother to vote in 2024 should have fucking shown up and voted for Harris - in spite of blaming her for Gaza, or not liking that she used to be a prosecutor and therefore theoretically MUST have sent innocent black guys to prison, or being sick of no good choices, or whatever their half-assed reason was for doing nothing. At this point Biden can have Seal Team Six take out Santa Claus for all I care.
Kamala had every chance to appeal to those voters, define herself as a candidate, and provide answers for our economy, which at the end of the day is the one thing that really matters to voters. Instead, she pretended everything was fine, adopted narratives from the right and allowed them to posture like they have all the solutions, so she could look like an incompetent and feckless alternative to Republicans for people that were never going to vote for a Democrat anyways.
As a result, she very predictably failed to mobilize her own base. That is not the fault of the american public, and all of you scratched liberal vote shaming "democracy protectors" were never going outflank such an abysmal national campaign.
The Democrats are okay with bleeding voters and losing elections to fascists if the alternative is to challenge the power of capital, and the time has come to reckon with the fact that they are nothing but another obstacle in the fight for the people of this country.
Cheers to that!
I think we need to be done being talked down to by liberals who at the end of the day don't actually care or feel a need to act.
Everyone who is upset about this fails to comprehend that the world has fundamentally changed since then and Americans literally voted trump into office.
Either that or they're paid trolls. Hard to tell sometimes.
It's funny how they will be all hush hush when he starts pardoning the j6 morons.
