Donald Trump faces travel ban to 37 countries

Trump got his travel ban.

This is so sweet.
*They’re all shithole countries anyway. -T
Sadly,I doubt there's many countries that would enforce that ban
- I really hope at least one does and others follow just to fuck with him if he ever ~~assumes the throne~~ becomes president.

I'm amused at the fact that Australia doesn't allow convicted felons to enter.

Also doesn't Trump say that USA is #1? Why would he ever want to leave?

Asylum in Russia.
- Russia is notably not one of the countries which would disallow a convicted felon from entering.
I don't know about Australia, but before Australia was the destination for penal transportation from the UK, the American colonies were.

I recall reading that one of the factors that contributed to the American Revolution was that a lot of Americans wanted to be able to have some say in selecting immigrants, and didn't really want the UK dumping criminals there.

I'd imagine that Australia might have some similar ideas.

kagis

This sounds like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convicts_in_Australia

With increasing numbers of free settlers entering New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) by the mid-1830s, opposition to the transportation of felons into the colonies grew. The most influential spokesmen were newspaper proprietors who were also members of the Independent Congregational Church such as John Fairfax in Sydney and the Reverend John West in Launceston, who argued against convicts both as competition to honest free labourers and as the source of crime and vice within the colony. Bishop Bernard Ullathorne, a Catholic prelate who had been in Australia since 1832 returned for a visit to England in 1835. While there he was called upon by the government to give evidence before a Parliamentary Commission on the evils of transportation, and at their request wrote and submitted a tract on the subject. His views in conjunction with others in the end prevailed. The anti-transportation movement was seldom concerned with the inhumanity of the system, but rather the "hated stain" it was believed to inflict on the free (non-emancipist) middle classes.

Transportation to New South Wales temporarily ended 1840 under the Order-in-Council of 22 May 1840,[28] by which time some 150,000 convicts had been sent to the colonies. The sending of convicts to Brisbane in its Moreton Bay district had ceased the previous year, and administration of Norfolk Island was later transferred to Van Diemen's Land.

Opposition to transportation was not unanimous; wealthy landowner, Benjamin Boyd, for reasons of economic self-interest, wanted to use transported convicts from Van Diemen's Land as a source of free or low-cost labour in New South Wales, particularly as shepherds.[29][30] The final transport of convicts to New South Wales occurred in 1850, with some 1,400 convicts transported between the Order-in-Council and that date.[28]

The continuation of transportation to Van Diemen's Land saw the rise of a well-coordinated anti-transportation movement, especially following a severe economic depression in the early 1840s. Transportation was temporarily suspended in 1846 but soon revived with overcrowding of British gaols and clamour for the availability of transportation as a deterrent. By the late 1840s most convicts being sent to Van Diemen's Land (plus those to Victoria) were designated as "exiles" and were free to work for pay while under sentence. In 1850 the Australasian Anti-Transportation League was formed to lobby for the permanent cessation of transportation, its aims being furthered by the commencement of the Australian gold rushes the following year. The last convict ship to be sent from England, the St. Vincent, arrived in 1853, and on 10 August Jubilee festivals in Hobart and Launceston celebrated 50 years of European settlement with the official end of transportation.
- Exactly. After the American revolution started, England needed a new place to send convicts.
Australia has received too many convicted felons already, after they entered about 200 years ago.

You've got to love the irony here. He complained for years that people entering at the southern border were criminals and shouldn't be allowed in and now essentially other countries are saying the same thing about him.

including canada and the UK! hahahahah

As a brit I don't see this being enforced in the UK. The gov would be too scared that trump or an ally would come to power and we can't risk effecting the special welationship 👉👈
- I’ve never had the use of two emojis make me this uncomfortable.
Quick, remind me which country Trump's Aberdeenshire Golf course is in again?
- Norway
Don't worry, Canada will do like it did for GWB and give him an exemption if it comes to that
Which means he can't go to his own golf resort in Scotland.

Damn, a former president is banned from entering more countries than I am. That's fucking wild and make me feel slightly better about some of the places I'll never see again.

Which ones and why?

I sense a fun story and I'm here for it.
- Not funny at all, actually. I got a DUI a month after turning 21. Fortunately, nothing terrible happened. There are many countries that either consider a DUI a felony (Canada) or just don't want you endangering their populace (Japan). There's quite a list, but it's less than 37, lol.

Right so can you guys please not vote for this guy now fuck my life 🤦‍♂️

Best I can do is a historic number of people voting for him a 3rd time, still losing the popular vote and standing a decent chance at winning anyway
- ☹️
- This comment made all the dopamine leave my body at once. Now I look like Voldemort in death fetus mode, except fat and hairy
Unfortunately there are too many stupid Americans, sorry.
Unfortunately the verdict will do nothing to sway his supporters away from him.
- I’m signed up to his mailing list for fun. He described it as the darkest day in American history. I’d say roughly half of the country agrees with that assessment.
  
  Saaaad.
Unfortunately it's incredibly difficult to get people to leave cults.

Voting for him is voting against your own self interest.... it's like some oddly bastardized form of the Heaven's Gate mass suicide, but slower and more political.

Now that I think about it...That comparison does feel insulting to Heavens Gate. Their leader believed in what he was preaching and he actually seemed more competent and less malicious since he killed himself too. So I guess a cult that performs a mass suicide is less harmful than trump at this point. I hate this reality so much.

Based on data from the World Population Review, here is a list of countries that do not allow convicted felons to enter:

Argentina

Australia

Canada

China

Cuba

India

Iran

Israel

Japan

Kenya

Macau

New Zealand

South Africa

Taiwan

United Kingdom

United States

The good news for Trump, is that the UAE is not on the list.

Australia? I thought it was a requirement!
- You're telling me Australia was founded by convicts, yet they won't allow criminals in? Where is their respect for heritage?!
Neither is Russia. It'll make it easier for him to personally kiss Putins ass.
- He's old though. Russia is too cold.
I need a list of which ones don't allow assholes to enter. :)

So if he does leave, he can't come back?

I'm pretty sure it's accepted pretty universally that countries must accept citizens back. Reason being, if they don't, the rejected person becomes another country's problem, and that is bad for relations.
- It's unconstitutional to deny a US citizen entry to the US. It's the same in most other countries. But it still happens in many countries; Sweden for example has had a lot of problems deporting convicted criminals to their homelands, because their homeland refuses to accept them back.
I hope because of some weird loophole he has to live in an airport like Tom Hanks
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So, for arguments sake, he wins election. He can't enter those countries as a nations leader?

Dear God it'll be like Kristi Noem who can't enter half her state because the Indian tribes said so.

Pretty sure diplomatic immunity is a thing that would come into play.
- Diplomatic immunity is the inability for someone visiting as a diplomat, which would include a US president visiting another country, to be held to a crime or civil penalty, with countries welcome to expel them for abusing this. I don't think that applies.
  
  But a US president who is also a felon could technically be denied correctly by immigration officials, but could reach out to the prime minister to get this fixed, probably in advance.
- Diplomatic Immunity is granted by a host country and by the country the diplomat came from. It's not automatically extended. The US historically automatically grants a President diplomat authority but a country can refuse even the highest ranked ambassador if they so choose.
  
  I might be mistaken but whether or not Trump would be admitted to a country with one of these policies it would likely go to a individual vote or decision making authority of whatever governing body runs the country whether or not to grant him a personal exemption due to his political position.
  
  It is also worth mentioning that Trump made some really petty and genuinely awful political decisions that created a lot of hardship for some of the countries on this list. A lot of his wheeling and dealing has been picked apart in courts and actually caused the US some issues since in international trade courts. It may be entirely possible that a country with a grudge would disallow a US president entry which could be quite the setback for the US in multinational bargaining and soft diplomacy.
His ban status will change if he wins. Indian Prime Minister Modi was banned from traveling to US but that changed the moment he was elected as PM.
yep. a great example is the current president of the Philippines.

Wanted by interpol for millions (billions?) in theft and such, has international arrest warrants out for him, but they couldn't touch him when he visited New York.

His mother didn't join him though, because his immunity doesn't extend that far.

Wait we don't allow people with felonies to enter? Quick! Get trump to leave the country!

I know it doesn't work that way but God would it be funny.

Donald Trump faces travel ban to 37 countries

That's 3 more countries than his 34 felony counts!

Gotta pump those rookie numbers up.

Russia, maybe he goes to Russia. Putin and Trump now have the same enemy. Free western democratic justice system.

Is he still able to vote?

Wait, are criminals not allowed to vote in the US?

Jesus fucking hell, that is not ok.
- I think that's a rule from the 1870's mostly aimed at preventing black people from voting.
- It depends on the state
- Yeah, it varys from pretty fucked up to unreasonably fucked up depending on the state. Some states, you're not able to vote while serving your term. In other states, you lose your right to vote for life.
- In some jurisdictions, in some contexts, and for different lengths of time some criminals are denied the right to vote.
  
  https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/felony-disenfranchisement-laws-map
- Land of the free, baby!
Apparently he will be able to vote as long as he doesn't go to prison. That's the state law of NY, and Florida's law is the defer to the state where the crime is.
- they should send him to jail for 1 day lol
I think his state of residence is Florida.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residences_of_Donald_Trump

From his birth in 1946 until 2019, Trump listed his primary state of residence as New York; in September 2019, Donald and Melania moved their primary residence to Mar-a-Lago in Florida.[2][3] On January 20, 2021, Trump moved out of the White House preceding the inauguration of Joe Biden.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_the_United_States

Florida is listed as temporarily disenfranchising felons:

Felons are enfranchised immediately following the full completion of sentences -- involving imprisonment and/or parole or probation.

I don't know when that starts, but I assume not until sentencing.

So, in theory, I guess if he's sentenced to any of those things and the sentence extends across the election, then no, he can't vote. If he gets probation in New York, then it sounds like he can't vote.

But after any sentence is done, he can vote.

I don't know for sure whether, if someone is serving time in prison in New York, whether their state of residence is changed to New York, though, or whether it just is treated as their last state of residence (which is what happens if you leave the US and vote from abroad -- you vote as if a resident of the state that you last resided in). If he winds up serving time in a New York prison, which I would not expect, and if that changes his state of residence to New York, then New York law would potentially apply.
Headlines are saying "yes", as long as he's not in jail on election day.
- Soooooooooooooooo, hopefully no.
Are felons not allowed to vote?
- Depends on the state. Some states permanently revoke a felons right to vote. Some for the time that they're actively in prison. Some do not revoke it at all.
  https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/felony-disenfranchisement-laws-map

Not sure why the UK is included here - the travel ban is:

has been convicted of a criminal offence in the UK or overseas for which they have received a custodial sentence of 12 months or more
is a persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law
has committed a criminal offence, or offences, which caused serious harm

Two of those look like something for the Home Secretary to decide, and good luck expecting the Home Secretary to make any sense.

is a persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law

Yup that one right there. Textbook example
I am a convicted felon who has visited the UK. I was never questioned about it. I entered just like everyone else without it ever being brought up.

I’m sure it’s different everywhere. I once looked into visiting Canada and recall having to fill out a form or something, but never actually went.

All he needs is russia and hes all they need

Huh. Argentina. Lots of his kind from the fatherland down there. And now he can't join them.

Is Italy one of them, by chance?

The list is given in the article text.
- You'll never guess which country is #10!
No 😔

In a row?

But he can still visit Daddy Putin, right?

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