I use Winamp on my PC.
First of all, it respects albums. Other players like VLC and Fubar2000 would order the songs alphabetically; it's annoying. Also in the "artist" list "The Beatles" comes right after "Beasty Boys" the way God intended.
Second it has an "always on top" feature so you can easily control it while gaming.
Winamp was made for people who listen to music the way I do. You know, old people.
I am still looking to find an alternative to winamp that does the album sorting well
AIMP on Windows (and probably Wine). Has good converter and tag editor as a bonus. You can try v2 or v3, they are pretty different. Both support Last.fm scrobbling if it's still relevant. The android app is nice too but I haven't used it that much. It kept my evergrowing library nicely structurized, mostly folder-based, with a little effort. It's russian, but I haven't noticed it doing anything funny, and it's probably too niche since most people use streaming nowadays.
Even just using PC programs makes me feel old in this day and age. That said, I am the same age as Windows XP...
I just finished a Windows XP rig so I could relive some of my classic gaming moments. From my college years...
Foobar2000 has all of these features. You might need some tweaking, but foobar can do practically everything as far as music library management goes. My default sorting is album artist, album year, disc, track number.
As for song sort, if you meant sort by track number, it would be hard to find a player that does not support that. If VLC really does not support that, that is somewhat understandable, it is not meant as a serious music player after all.
I still use tortoiseSVN, does that count?
Still used for CAD software for whatever reason. I had to setup a SVN server for schematics.
Winamp is the only method I know to update my 60gb hdd ipod
winamp Winamp WINAMP!
It Really Whips The Lamas Ass!
Llama noise
"Damn Son, Where'd You Find This.mp3"
We used to own our music!
Totally didn’t download all of it from LimeWire.
DAE had that one copy of a song that everyone shared with a glitch during the second verse, and now you find it jarring to hear the song without that artifact.
I have an old copy of "American Pie" from Napster just like that. Couple little glitches at the start that gave me a twitch for years if I didn't hear it.
It's also what I tell people who like the sound of vinyl. The pops and hisses of vinyl are objectively wrong, but you can get subjectively used to hearing things a certain way. It's not better, it's just what you have always done.
Even that all said, I do like listening to vinyl because the whole process of listening to it is very deliberate. Like I'm preparing for an event and this is what I'll be doing for the evening.
100%! There’s a whole second breakdown in Jamiroquia’s Virtual Insanity that I never knew about.
I miss when you could buy CDs and rip them to your computer so if your shitty mp3 died, you could just move everything on there.
Degrees of freedom revoked
Or go to the library, rent the CDs, rip them, and return them. Good times
You still can. I do it all the time.
It's entirely possible that I've missed more recent legislation, so take this with a grain of salt. Canada has a "blank media tax" courtesy of the record lobby back in the recording tape days. There was much pushback from consumers when that fee was applied to things like video tapes, recordable CDs, hard drives, etc, but still exists as far as I know.
The recording industry was pushing for laws more in line with other jurisdictions, primarily the US. The government was open to it, but would then abolish the fees on blank media. Industry backed down because they get more from that fee distribution than they would ever get by having more restrictions. Of course, that doesn't stop them from trying to shame us or blow smoke up our asses.
That means we are already paying a licence fee allowing us to copy recorded or broadcast material for personal use. "Personal use" is defined by what it's not: rebroadcast, playing for the general public, and reselling. Thus, making a strictly personal copy is fine, as is making a copy for a friend, copying from an original you've borrowed (from a friend or from the library), recording legal broadcasts (like from radio, etc), and recording concerts unless the terms of admission expressly forbid it, etc.
27 years later, it still really whips the llama's ass
27 years later
You stop that right now!
I recently began de-corpoing my life, and spotify is my most recent cancellation after I was a premium subscriber since soon after its launch.
Took a bit of effort to convert my library, but I found a useful app to automate the process. And now I have my library back, offline and on my devices forever and for free.
It's actually kind of empowering, reclaiming your life from subscription hell and corporate voyeurism.
This is one of those things that I dream of doing one of these days. I'd love to have a massive media library stored locally, so that I'm not chained to streaming services.
Do you mind sharing any details on your process / tools?
I did a bit of web searching and found spotDL on github, you can give it Spotify playlists to convert and it will search them on YouTube/YouTube music, and output them as local files.
Includes metadata and can output in different formats too. It works great about 99% of the time, though you sometimes need to search manually for individual songs it couldn't match somehow. But that were about a dozen tracks out of over 4k for me.
If you are interested in the other things I did/found aside from music feel free to ask
Just today I was listening to a Tidal Playlist amongst friends and the whole thing seized up and just stopped playing music all together when it ran into a song on the Playlist that apparently Tidal lost the rights to. Really frustrating when your music library is in flux at the whim of corporate dealings.
Dude what is the app?? I've been looking for exactly this.
Further down:
"subscription hell and corporate voyeurism"
For me, this is just a place I knew to never go. The writing was on the wall when Warcraft 2/3 became World of Warcraft, one of the first subscription based game.
I'd already been pirating software, music, and games by then and just, stayed on that path. Never so much as used Netflix or Spotify.
It still whips the llamas ass on one of my machines.
Every so often I download Winamp just to hear that intro, takes me back to being a kid everytime.
I know it's probably on YouTube, but it's not the same when it's not playing through Winamp.
If you weren't staring at a zooming vortex visualization while high on shrooms, you were missing out.
I was staring at it completely sober. I think it still produced the same effect.
Definitely did. Dad was a stoner, I was too young to get stoned, we both sat and watched it for ages while dad shared his favorite tunes with me. Ah, good times.
I really missed those, i only recently discovered vlc still has them. Was a little nostalgia trip
vlc still has them
Hoooly shit! I was today years old when I learned of this - thank you, internet stranger.
"Geiss" was the shit!
I was a fan of Goom.
winamp can play online stuff too
AND offline stuff
and it has skins
and its free
and it has no ads
Aside from eminem and robbie whoever, i definitely have a playlist on winamp on my computer right now with those exact songs in it
Edit: replied to completely wrong comment, soz
i couldn't scroll past this without at least giving Webamp a mention
This is a wicked site. Thanks. Real easy to get a quick dose of nostalgia
Ha ha wtf, excellent!
Holy Fuck that playlist makes me want to get drunk like only a teenager at a pool party could
Not that I was (much obliged to lets just forget present tense exists and is a thing) popular enough to go to pool parties let alone get drunk at one,
But aside from eminem and robbie whoever, i definitely have a playlist on winamp on my computer at this moment with those exact songs in it. It was probably created when i was a teenager lol
Fuckin hell I can feel this in my bones
I crossed the streams and made a Spotify playlist of the playlist seen in this photo of WinAMP:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0do6Ech8s3etvYUteF321m?si=127f8f2aa9d9490e
Egon, you said crossing the streams was bad.
But my dreams, they aren't as empty
I mean, it lets me use my old winamp themes...
Wac me up
WAC ME UP INSIDE
Audacious is a good spiritual successor.
Meh they surprised us and released a new version of window like a year or 2 ago if you really wanna use the real thing.
I was still using Milkdrop 2 visualizations on Foobar until I stopped using Windows a couple of years ago. If anyone knows how to use Milkdrop with MPD on Linux, you'd make me very happy.
Maybe some part of https://github.com/projectM-visualizer/projectm would work for that? I had milkdrop visualizations working on an osmc [Kodi] install on a Raspberry Pi so I'd assume there must be a way.
I'll give it a try, thanks.
I'm still using foobar2000.
on Linux. yes.
you can still download old winamp, and it still works!
oh man i googled winamp skins and had the biggest nostalgia flashback
I've converted my music library to opus and it's all offline, on my phone and PC. It's the only way to listen to some things that get caught in licensing hell, and that's only going to get worse over time.
First I've heard of opus - checking it out now.
Nowadas we have better open source software but people have nostalgia for Winamp.
I mean, winamp had playlist, shuffle, and played music. What more do you want?
I can't listen to music without data collection, subscriptions and ADs
cue list, but winamp had that too. I like my cue list separate from my playlist.
I recently went back to og Winamp!
Man, I spent thousands of hours with Winamp blasting in the background while gaming in my teens.
The (full) Shrek OST isn’t on Spotify. So messed up.
I wanna stay hooome todaaaaay.
I forgot about Winamp! I'm going to have to give it a try again. The last time I used it was in 2013, because there was a plugin for extracting the music from Turbografx roms to .wav files. The soundtrack of my childhood.
Wait until you hear about boom boxes... 😅
I used Coolplayer and had a totally awesome Phantom Menace podracing viewer tablet skin I made myself. There was transparency, and the red light I included for shuffle had shading like a real LED, and you could put the buttons ANYWHERE!
Finding a decent copy of music was in no way "simpler" than Spotify/YT.
Spotify sure isn't providing a sonically decent copy today though.
They aren't cut off in the middle, the wrong song, labeled with the wrong artist, a "rip" from somebody with a microphone and FM radio, corporate honeypots, or literal viruses.
Kids these days... 🤣
Not the point now what I suggested but
Nobody but niche users care. It's good enough for 98% of users and their speaker quality.
In fact they are out there in droves buying shitty quality records for the warmth introduced by the format.
At least now it is pretty simple. Not sure about Spotify, but you can download exact audio files Deezer has. That's my favorite method unless Deezer has a bad remasters of older albums, then I fall back to Soulseek to do some hunting of better version.
None of that is more simple than clicking a link and having everything on all of your devices.
I'm not saying Spotify is the end all. They have a lot of terrible shit. But none of the torrent/usenet based shit or open source crap is easier to use. Nobody is going to secondary sources on Spotify for bad remasters. You are handwaving away the pain in the ass part.
Depends how far back you go maybe? I remember being able to suss out pretty reliable rips on usenet in the 97-98 timeframe really easily through the alt.binaries groups, and eventually on tpb without too much trouble. On top of that, FLAC just a smidge later.
