There are 2 genocides actively occurring (or at least in the forefront).
Western media does not shy away from calling one a genocide (as they should), but refuses to call the other one a genocide.
At least 5. Arguably the Israel-Gaza situation, Russia- Ukraine, Sudan(also with Russian involvement), China's treatment of the Uyghurs, and Myanmar's treatment of the Rohingya.
Obviously, those screeching loudest about genocide X, are inevitably entirely quiet about genocide Y, while accusing country Z of hypocrisy. I haven't named any sides, but if anyone reads this comment and thinks I'm talking about them, perhaps it's time for some introspection.
Not that whataboutism is particularly relevant for those suffering. But hey, why would anyone let human suffering and nuance get in the way of some political point scoring, real politik or a nice online shouting match.
Meanwhile we walk ever closer towards the precipice of the climate apocalypse. If it's isn't already too late.
And also the ethnic cleansing of Armenians by Azeirbayan, which may or may not have a round 2 in the actual country of Armenia.
We all say “never again” but didn’t do shit for Tigray. There was no big sticky issue like China and the Uyghurs that would stop an intervention - as long as it’s safely not in the news
ARMENIAN OBLAST IS FUCKING GONE
Absolutely. I went through a couple of revisions before settling on 2 based on being current and in the forefront.
I would argue the Israeli/Palestine one.
Hamas wants to genocide Israel (literally in their founding document) but failing miserably. Absolutely guilty of a war crime or two.
Israel is very likely guilty of a number of war crimes due to proportionality, failure to minimize civilian casualties, and reasonable cause for infrastructure damage and blockades. The fact they have only killed off something like 3% of the population with this much damage and overwhelming force means they aren't committing genocide, or they are doing a pretty poor job of it. Individuals and small groups are likely killing off civilians and should be held to account (public hanging is a good way to do it) but question the broader Israeli goal.
Hamas absolutely guilty of war crime (clear cut), could add genocide if they were winning, Israel unsure as much less clear cut. Could they be - absolutely.
There are a lot more than two, tbh.
Yes, hence the caveat of being in the forefront.
Western media does not shy away from calling one a genocide (as they should), but refuses to call the other one a genocide.
"Refuses" is a strong word. Genocide as an accusation against Israel has been prominent in news headlines as of late.
Myanmar
It's all about worthy and unworthy victims again. Worthy victims, the Uyghur because China bad and unworthy victims, the Palestinians because Israel good. One is seen as a threat, the other one as an ally so they get different media treatment. But in the end, people are getting exterminated systematically.
Why are tankies so fucking stupid?
You can be a Marxist-Leninist and not support the cultural genocide of the Uyghurs.
You can be a Capitalist and fully endorse it, too. Sort of the joke in all this. Liberals will kick and scream and cry about China, then roll up to their local retailer and fill their baskets with foreign made goods.
Maybe you're feeling spicy and telling everyone you'll buy exclusively from sweatshops in India or Indonesia, as though Modi's Hinduvistas don't have blood on their hands and the Jakarta Method means nothing.
But, at the end of the day, we'll permit any amount of genocide, cultural or otherwise, if it means getting rock bottom labor rates from the other side of the planet.
Because it makes unfairness in the world easier to tolerate if you have a fantasized perfect solution to the problems, same as religions and other political extremes.
Critical thinking is punishable by public execution or something probably. Inb4 they blame liberals for taking all the good concepts.
Why are Muslims? https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250
Why is it only westerners who care about Muslims but only in China. Not in India, not in Palestine, not in Afghanistan, but only in China. Every where else you celebrate our slaughter or at best call it “meritless” as Kirby did.
We talking about T-90 Tankies or Leopard II Tankies? Type 99s or Merkavas?
Honestly, the people who seem to eat the most shit in the comments are the peaceniks. Being against a war is the fastest way to earn the label.
T 55 tankie with a grill on top of it
More like the T-34
It's a unique tragedy of the human animal that how we label an atrocity is central to the question of what to do about it.
An alien might very well assume that humans worship words because some of them are symbols of real power to eclipse any icon, fetish, or talisman.
Has any holy book ever inspired the devotion that the dictionary enjoys? What is a Supreme Court judge other than a robed literary priest endowed with the power to declare what words mean?
What is a Supreme Court judge other than a robed literary priest endowed with the power to declare what words mean?
Black's Law Dictionary even looks like a bible!
I wish the west would have the balls to call Israel out too. But eh, one genocide at a time I guess. Fuck China
Its not genocide if my team is doing it. I'm just fighting the terrorists. They're doing the genocide.
Fuck China
If the US and China really do get into a war and bombs start falling all over the East Pacific, I've got to wonder whether the dead in Macau or the Singapore or Indonesia will garner the same pity as the folks in Kiev and the Gaza strip. I've got to wonder how cavalier Americans will feel about war if bombs ever reach their way to Hawaii or California or Texas.
Well.. I'm guessing you don't know about Pearl Harbour? The twin towers perhaps?
Those are the usual responses when America is attacked.
You can crack open a history book and see (with pictures) what America has done in the past when bombed/attacked. You don't have to imagine you're the first person to envision such a thing.
Meanwhile, in US mainstream media...
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/middleeast/hind-rajab-death-israel-gaza-intl/index.html
West is calling out Israel - its just following the process rather than throwing words out without investigating
Why didn’t they follow the process with China? OIC did and find nothing wrong https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250
Are Muslims supposed to be gaslighted into believing the governments enabling their slaughter in Palestine, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Myanmar, care about them? Or is this just about demonizing China?
If the west's media lies about Israel, why do you trust them to tell the truth about China?
What hemisphere is CNN from?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/middleeast/hind-rajab-death-israel-gaza-intl/index.html
Critical support for Comrade Xi's Uyghur Genocide! (but also it's not happening, and if it was it's justified anyway)
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
I understand this is sarcastic, but cultural genocide should never be justified, in China or Palestine.
Now do Israel
I don't feel the need to crowd the space. I think a lot of other people are doing a bang-up job, there.
Fair enough, every genocide deserves being called out
Adrian Zenz
Yes, but no. Zenz has exaggerated what is happening, but human rights groups’ limited investigations show that their is a disruption to the culture.
Skinner is like the flatearthers... "its a conspiracy among ~several million people and several nations, they're just very good at keeping the facts to themselves"
Honest question- are there mass killings as well? I did not follow this topic for a while, but I thought it is only mass
incarcerationreeducation campaign.There are multiple ways of making a people disappear
- Simply killing the people, this most agreed definition of genocide (shoah, armenians)
- Sterilizing everyone (various indigenous people like in Canada). You don't kill anyone but you enfringe on the right to have kids. And you basically make a people disappear in a couple generations.
- Forced assimilation. The people are not killed and their genes stay in the pool, but their culture die off. Often accompanied by bad treatment, kidnapping etc. Sometimes called culturcide or ethnocide.
All three are considered genocide but the gravity of each can be debatted.
As I understand in Xinjiang, the third one seems confirmed, the second one possibly, and the first one probably not. Feel free to correct me.
Debated, but the things you mentioned qualify as genocide too because they also (slowly) destroy an ethnic group.
As far as I can tell just forced abortions and sterilization. It’s difficult to discern fact from propaganda.
Before the national security law SCMP was often trustworthy.
SCMP always sided with China for the more pressing matters
You forgot to condemn the Organization for Islamic Cooperation and most Turkic and Muslim countries for their silence on the Uyghur genocide. Muslims don’t care for one another like the West cares for them. They only pretend to care about Palestinians because they are antisemitic.
The brave people at VOA were quick to condemn them.
/s in case it isn’t obvious
If you googled the OIC report on Uyghur after they visited Xinjiang you will only get results for western outlets condemning it. It is clear who is using censorship to control the narrative https://www.google.com/search?q=oic+uyghur+repprt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
They only pretend to care about Palestinians because they are antisemitic.
No its usually money lol. KSA and every surrounding country will happily continue to literally kill people who stand in their way whether it be against Israel or even basic human rights which they deny by denying citizenship unless you're born to a citizen.
Most of the Muslim countries were also caught buying munitions and spyware from Israel too.
Also you shouldn't put "West" into one category. Some countries do care about Muslims to varying degrees. Germany is pretty nice. USA only cares if you've become a citizen, otherwise screw off. France has always said screw off, and loves to exploit Africa well after colonialism ended.
Both UK and France convinced the USA to also be complacent in the Bosnian genocide, something the USA had no political reason to support like how they support Israel. All because UK and France didn't want a Muslim country in Europe.
Any recent updates?
I need to read a lot more about it. I believe the Uyghur population is continuing to increase, although that doesn't mean some of them aren't being treated very badly.
Who isn't doing or aiding genocide these days?
I did some just this morning.
I'm sure we've all done a little bit, even by accident.
🎶Everyone's a little bit r̶a̶c̶i̶s̶t̶ genocidal...🎶
genocide is the trendy activity of today, if you are not doing or aiding a genocide you are not cool
You can add the ABC to that list.
SCMP says that the US claims there’s a genocide there
It's wild that if that's replaced with Israel, the next panel is actually just true
Many of the list is calling for investigation into Israeli war crimes, prosecution of those responsible, and a pause of conflict to investigate and assess the possibility of genocide (thanks SA).
Its not true... yet....
No way a long list of Western media outfits who also lied about Iraq until we went to war with them are lying again?? That's Crazy!!
So it's much more likely to you that a country would be honest in reporting its own genocide?
A country with a "democratically elected" dictator? The same one constantly threatening an island off their coast with full scale invasion while simultaneously gaslighting the rest of the world about it? That country that regularly and consistently talks the very same shit about the west that you're accusing the west of? The only country on the planet with a nationwide firewall preventing their own citizens from seeing sources they don't control?
You trust their media because "the west is bad"?
At best, China is just as bad as the west. At worst, they're killing their own people in broad daylight.
We see what instance you're here from. We know you're here shilling your motherland. Good luck with that.
tankies just cannot hold in their minds that two rival things can both be bad at the same time.
western countries have done bad things, therefore let's treat anyone anti-west - putin, al-assad, xi, kim, milosevic etc - as innocent heroic saviors, is how they think.
they have a very small set of inviolable axioms which lead to an absurdly simple and shallow "goodies and baddies" view of the world and history.
constantly threatening an island off their coast
Educate yourself. Find Kinmen island on a map and see for yourself how close it is to a major Chinese city. Now ask yourself why the US has planted special forces there. Who is threatening who exactly? Remember, most countries have gone to war over far less flagrant violations of sovereignty in the interest of security. China is straight up pacifist here. Bad example.
At worst, they’re killing their own people in broad daylight.
Show me even one instance of evidence for this and I'll take you seriously.
We see what instance you’re here from.
I've been on Lemmy since before federation when the only two instances were Lemmy.ml or Lemmygrad. So what is your point exactly?
DW is a German news agency, I have a hard time believing they were part of the Iraq lie
Nah, they hyped up the weapons of mass destruction claim same as everyone.
Meanwhile suspicion is growing that Iraq might actually be actively producing mass weapons of destruction.
The German daily, "Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung" reported recently about a new nuclear programme. Relying on trustworthy reports of the Federal German News Service (BND) from January, the newspaper said that Iraq was buying "nuclear relevant basic chemicals".
Intelligence sources had also found indications that Iraq is continuing with its "Bio-Toxin-Programme" and is "building a mobile B-weapons capacity", the newspaper said.
This could mean that Iraq could achieve the high nuclear status of 1990.
China isn’t on the list of current genocides… weird.
https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/china
Dude.
The Uyghur genocide is listed as an Emergency Stage 9: Extinction
I didn’t see that on the alerts page, only the one from 2020. That is unsettling. I thought they had ceased detaining, but apparently it is ongoing.
Yes lmfao. There's absolutely nothing far fetched about dime a dozen imperialist western media towing the line and propagandizing about state enemies. It has happened countless times before. If you think it's improbable, you haven't been paying attention to modern history.
Yes lmfao. There's absolutely nothing far fetched about dime a dozen sycophantic eastern media towing the line and propagandizing about state enemies. It has happened countless times before. If you think it's improbable, you haven't been paying attention to modern history.
All imperialist sites.
Plenty of actual Islamic sources said no genocide so take this how you will..
You should list sources.
Not them - I think its important to mention alot of the balanced arguements are saying things need to be investigated. Good reporting is saying that its not genocide, but things need to be investigated and it may be declared one one in the future.
We could call it one - but wait for the investigations.
No, you see, as people pointed to me here, it doesnt matter, because western media is free. We gotta trust that because they are from burguerstates where freedom is free. Not listening to the people who disagree with you is the other, superior part of western democracy. We should enlighten ourselves in the burguerlight of politics here
And its just a coincidence that all of those are imperialist sources
When choosing between biased anti-Chinese sources from countries with a free press, or biased pro-Chinese sources from countries without a free press, I know which I'm going to choose.
You are correct. But. China controls the press in their country. You really can’t trust news from either side. But the little facts we can glean seems to show that something is happening. Whether ii is a cultural genocide, only time will tell.
True. But i should mention that israel is carrying out hitler-would-be-proud style genocide and western media isnt talking about it. The only actual trustable sources nowdays are independent local journalists/analysts, and unfortunelly most of them talk only in their languages. Also thats why its so important for the ruling classes to censor the Internet worldwide
When is Lenny.ml getting defederated with the likes of lemmy.grad and hexbear....
And that none of them make the claim that OP suggests.
But this is lemmy.world, facts have no place here. It's all about who can be the louder namecaller.
