Bernie Sanders launches high-profile offensive against ‘the oligarchy’

The way I think of it is as follows: if you like the idea of socialism or communism, and you think the only way to get there is to have an authoritative leader "clean house" before they for some reason or another decide to give the power back to the people, then you are a tankie.

In my opinion, an authoritative leader will never give up power back to the people willingly. Or if an authoritative gets in charge, it will never dismantle systems like capitalism because capitalists give authoritative people power.

Another good hint is if they really like the idea of murdering billionaires even if there are less violent solutions to it. I'm not saying that there are currently less violent solutions. I'm just saying they will never go out of their way for less violent solutions. As if they like the idea of murder a lot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie#:~:text=More generally%2C a tankie is,was critical of both uses

sad cringe slander

because it's stupid

They're blind apologists for the various left regimes that have identified themselves as leftist, anti-imperialist, anti-western, sometimes even including North Korea and Cambodia under Pol Pot. Often they align themselves with right-wing governments like modern Russia and Iran, because they're against the geopolitical west.

The term was coined after the USSR rolled tanks into Hungary in the 50's to squash pro (Socialist) democracy protests. Some leftists stuck with the Soviets as they matched into Hungary and Praugue, and others spoke out against what they saw as tyrannical repression of democracy.

tankie is one who says all the mass murders, genocide, rape et all communists have done historically didnt exist\was okay.

Yes

If you look at his vote record he hasn’t bowed to anyone, even when he’s been the only senator voting against something

How in the hell are you hating on Bernie Sanders of all people you could hate on?

Go recycle yourself into something more useful, please.

Haha what?

Lol You know it's a post-truth world when the most consistent, anti-corruption senator is the one "doing exactly what master says". Obligatory no one's perfect and we should call out bad behavior from anyone, but feel free to compare him to a more moral current US politican. Please, I'll wait...

He's never been anything other than a sheepdog for the DNC.

Exactly. Read any of his books. He understands that the only way a progressive party will ever gain power in this country is by running as Democrats and exerting progressive political capital to reform the Democratic party.

Bernie knows that the most staple progressive issues are wildly popular with the American people, and he knows probably better than anyone alive in this country today that progressives are up against on oligarchy with unlimited control over the media and unlimited financial and human resources to fight progressive agendas, and get he still fights. Why? See point two: progressive policy is wildly popular in the United States and we outnumber the billionaires.

Yes, the lesser genocide choice. Sometimes the game is too obvious.

Democrats as in the DNC party, who in their corporate interests refuses to promote and push for candidates that have fought for the people.

Also Bernie is an independent who works closely with democrats, because unfortunately we're essentially stuck with a two party system.

Bernie is not a democrat

AOC is now old enough to run for president. I can see her running in 2028 and getting the grassroots support that Bernie enjoyed.

If anyone can get the youth out to vote she can. they need to focus hard on getting people registered though.

I also really REALLY hope she doesn't campaign with a fucking Cheney

I was higher on Jeffries until I heard him interviewed by John Stewart. He said a bunch of nothing just like the rest of the party.

AOC’s interview was significantly better.

Jeffries is horribly corrupt and a total stooge for monied interests. Don’t let his PR team fool you.

She looks great, but is it worth risking more MAGA on America voting for a woman? A third time? They think they were radical voting for "the black man". Voting a woman seams beyond America even if the other choice is Trump or not voting. God know what the state the world is going to be in by the time another US election is due, let alone if it's allowed to happen and be remotely free and fair.

In German class, in Arizona, my German teacher taught us teenage edgelords about Hitler. About his speeches. About his Charisma. He was a cult of personality. He could rally a crowd. If there aren't videos comparing trump rallies to Hitler, I suggest you make you're own comparison, and use your own judgment. There's a reason fascism wins. Hate doesn't prosper under progressives.

Yeah, it's not bad planning.

They continue actively keeping the progressives and the younger leaders out of power.

(This is about AOC, not Bernie, but we all know they did him dirty at least twice already.)

Pelosi Won. The Democratic Party Lost.

He's not recruiting, he wants to drive working people and our movements back into the graveyard of the Democratic Party.

Democratic Socialists had a pretty serious recruiting campaign for the 2018 midterms. Cold-called potential candidates, offered training for both speechifying and organizing. Put up actual progressive candidates against incumbent dems in carefully chosen districts. That's where "The Squad" came from.

Then they just kind of disappeared.

My point is that there are people out there willing to step up, but probably not thinking that they could be a "real" candidate and win, put up with the hassle and harrasment. People who would answer if called, but aren't ready to jump in unasked. Bernie's asking.

It’s not defeatism, it’s an acknowledgment that we need to look beyond electoralism within the Dems. Mutual aid, dual power, direct action. If electoralism, build a grass roots infrastructure for a new third party or help an existing one rise.

Third party success won’t happen with just running someone for president every four years. It has to start at very local level, and engage with the public between elections.

You are right that you can have authoritarian policies in any economic system, but capitalism in America has led to our authoritarianism. Capitalism does this as it relies on single ownership of the means of production, so it inherently centralized power and wealth.Think about the oligarchs, they control how wealth is distributed through their companies. If their workers had a say in the sharing of the profits, there is no way people would vote to give people enough wealth to control the globe while screwing over the rest of us. Also, if people are more individualized, like in America, they vote less on their group benefit, and what they see as their own benefit. This leads to fascism's easy rise to power, but putting the blame on others.

Laws are often ignored in history through periods of change; I’d say it’s a matter of people agreeing or disagreeing with them.

In this case, it’s about a very strong push by very wealthy people to trick masses of followers into thinking their billionaire daddy’s are fighting for them.

Ostensibly, that push would be harder if there was not such a uniform path to wealth disparity where one idiot owns so much.

I mean I need to keep some, guys

I would give Bernie Sanders a blood donation no question.

Edit I would give him a blood marrow donation no question. Aware of the discomfort and recovery.

I would legitimately consider giving him a kidney, after certain private conversations and understanding.

If I can source him a nice kidney, lemme call my guy

I would be willing to source it from outside if needed. He's a real one.

From the DNC

Attacks? He is playing his role like AOC and the rest of them. The dems need these harmless larpers to pretend they have something progressive to offer. When it comes down to it, every time they vote for war, zionist genocide and endorses the big oligarch choices in his horrible party.

"I am not a(n) god Emperor, and you shouldn't want me to be one"- EoM Bernie.

I would love it if Bruva did several episodes featuring Bernie and AOC.

"What if Bernie Sanders Had a Text To Speech Device?"

"elections" are a cornerstone of autocracies. There will definitely be an election event.

Whether your vote is even counted is another question entirely. Same for whether you will be allowed to cast a ballot.

I'm not even talking about saving democracy yet, I'm just talking about whether or not the democrats earn a "You tried" sticker.

In fact, he'd rather we start carrying the torch before he even dies. AOC can't do this alone.

That’s the point…

What's the point of saving a tree whose fruits are unpopular and the nutrition is lacking? It is common to fell trees that are past their fruiting prime to make way for a younger crop.

Worked for the Republicans?

That would mean gathering enough support to do it from people that got where they are because of it. It seems impossible.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a mother fucking duck. He talks one thing while asking us to support his good friends, the oligarchy.

It's hard to tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans. They both seem to embrace the same ideology.

Probably Douglas Adam’s:

The Encyclopedia Galactica defines a robot as a mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man. The marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation defines a robot as "Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun to Be With.” The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the marketing devision of the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes…”

Refusing to support warhawk neoliberals like Biden and Harris seems to be a hell of a movement.

He's trying to energize people back into the dnc.

That movement that you claim did not exist prevented the DNC from winning the White House again. Democrats need to learn if they refuse to listen to the working class voters they need to lose.

Cool, so we're fucked then. It applies to the right as well but they make it work. But the left just comes up with excuses why we don't even like each other

The left and liberals are not even close to each other on the political scale. Liberals share more ideology with Republicans than they do leftists.

Not the person you responded to but, Bernie is great and we really need this kind of stuff right now. Unfortunately, he's 83 years old. We could really use some new blood on the left.

Bernie is trying to pull attention away from the Green Party - Jill Stein and Kshama Sawant - who has already been doing this for months with Workers Strike Back and the Fight the Rich and their two parties conference.

Bernie is the lullaby singer. He is there to take the power away from the people.

Remember that the candidate in 2020 who got the largest amount of grassroot small donations - aka the person everyday people donated to the most - promptly folded when he was told that Biden would be the nominee.

Bernie is not our friend and democrats are not going to win another election again. The time to go green is here.

And the 83 year old deceiver of his supporters is the person you want to throw you energy behind?

Crazy shit bro.

RFK is serious monster who should be locked up before he hurts more people.

bernie speaks against tulsi gabbard

oh? link one. he's said nothing.

I love how Americans, even in left-wing spaces like Lemmy, would rather threaten global destruction than show some goddamn humility for once.