Cool! Key takeaway for me from this is Trump didn't get more popular, Dems just got way less popular. Kind of brings a bit of my hope in humanity back a little
Still kinda sucks that the Dems lost popularity. I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It isn't hard for me to believe that 1 in 8 people would refuse to vote for someone because their gender or color.
On a side note, I'm getting older and losing touch with new music, but are women's punk rock bands not as popular as I once remember them being or what? The world could use a little more fuck the patriarchy.
I think it would've been significantly worse had he been still running
I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It would have been way, way worse.
Honestly there's almost no way a sitting president gains popularity but considering his stance on Israel and stuff he sure as hell would lose some. I honestly don't think it would have been better.
Maybe being more policy specific would have helped Kamala. But the Democrats just have so much PR damage they haven't addressed over time, they are not doing themselves any favors. Humility can be an incredible thing but if you're a politician being humble is the hardest thing to fake, so if you're not, you're not gonna try if you're smart enough.
As a leftist (not in the US though) we just gotta take the L and that's that. I'll be waiting for the drop in support for Republicans after the fact and the following damage report from Rumpsteak's presidency. Let's just hope we get a competent cleaning crew to deal with the damage.
Also reminder that I'm on the hindsight 20/20 high horse so it's very easy to criticize, but I genuinely thought Kamala had a chance and it was a good idea so it's not like I make a good oracle lol.
It would have been even worse.
It would have been worse.
The fact people couldn’t be bothered still destroyed my hope. I know people who didn’t vote because of single issues like gaza. Well not voting sure helped the situation.
It’s actually crazy to see how little his numbers changed. Like, in the grand scheme of things, they didn’t change at all. 500,000 more people. Across the country. That’s nominal.
If the democrats continue to push this narrative that “swing voters” decided this election, we know we are well and truly fucked.
When the final count is done, the sad news is that he did get more popular. And the wildest thing is the demographics that he got more popular with.
Ummm we still have like 5 million votes to count in california alone, stop posting incomplete statistics as if they are comparable to previous years full statistics
Ummm the votes aren't counted but they have been received and accepted, which means the voters' names and parties are known. We were getting numbers of voters by party for weeks before election day as mail-in ballots were received. But you're getting a lot of upvotes so clearly you must be right anyway.
Dems unmistakeably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but it beggars belief that all the indictments and treason didn't undermine Trump's popularity any. The right-wing media machine must be one of the most effective brainwashing apparatuses ever to exist.
He raised a ton of money immediately following the convictions, which he then use to buy world series ads. The convictions without sentencing helped him. That judge knew exactly what she was doing when she delayed sentencing. Welp, it's after the election, so is she going to sentence him? Didn't think so.
They didn't vote "for him" so he didn't matter, they voted instead against trans athletes and forced child trans surgeries and whatever other manufactured conspiracy theories were peddled confidently.
They have perfected targeted misinformation. you should see how many fake accounts there are even in local Facebook groups. It's crazy.
Isn’t it already known that the trump fans are zealots for him. The fact that people are shocked that they’ll turn out for him regardless of what he does surprises me. He practically said this in 2016 with his I could shoot somebody quote and he’s been proven right. The only way you beat trump is by having people turn out to vote against him and to do that you need to run an inspiring campaign.
You can call it brainwashing or whatever you like.
To me, the fact that Trump’s indictments came as a result of enormous attention by his political rivals, during an election, gives me less respect for the implications in terms of his character.
Like, the timing is a little suspect on these legal indictments.
why do you care about timing?
He got more popular, came more into the limelight and then committed more crimes. Then he was indicted because he was in the Spotlight and his crimes were too numerous and oblivious to ignore.
He did the crimes, that’s what matters. He is a felon and a repeat criminal.
You definitely sound brainwashed
What's your stance on the about with Hilary before and during the election up to and including Trump pressing for investigation and moreso to "lock her up".
Apparently the Dems where aware of the massive popularity Trump had. Their internal polling showed him taking 400 electoral votes. At least that's the story being brought now. If true there never was a jaws of victory, it was all posturing by the Dems. And then it's a shame those 71M voters still came, more should have stayed home.. to signal the party top brass to go fuck themselves.
Edit: I don't understand the down votes. The lesson dem leadership is seemingly drawing is they need to move right and abandon LGBTQ subjects. While is argue the lesson should be, move left and care about stuff like universal healthcare and job security more.
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them..."
They've told you with the "eating the dogs" comments and hundreds of other examples... They aren't afraid to confidently lie to win...
They've told you they believe they are in a way that they would die and kill to win...
Remember, years of false, unsubstantiated outrage is meant to dilute challenge to actual crimes and horror. Some things to think about...
And here's more about voting systems experts that tried to warn early about potential issues like this
We can have measured confirmation, without conspiracy. We will review this election and make evidence-based arguments.
The richest man in the world owns thousands of SW engineers that remain in his companies (after all with any morality have been purged through years of labor abuse). He joked with carlson about how he was completely fucked if trump didn't win. What do you think the richest man in the world is capable of in that moment?
It is surprising that the presidential Democratic candidate finally lost a popular vote after 20+ years, but currently it appears that she just lost. Sure, do a recount of a sample of suspected precincts. I am going to continue to believe that this is a conspiracy theory until substantiated evidence of fraud is provided.
As an aside, those images are small and I could barely read them (zooming didn't increase image size).
Wrt photo size, likely to do with your client. Try clicking on them to see if they show full size. They do for me in the "Sync" android app
I still find it more likely that most of America is just very misogynist and in denial about it.
Ah yes, the classic WHEN IF/ELSE function
It gave me a chuckle.
Do you have more information on that claim that Starship was being used for tabulation in swing states?
Looks like that Kathleen person is making that claim, I'd reach out to them if you'd like expansion. I'm not on Twitter so can't engage further. If anything, I imagine "starship" would be a common spell check correction of "starlink" as it's a made up marketing word. To that, seems she'd be referring to the recently discussed rumors about musk starlink satellites somehow being involved in the collection/transmission of vote counts in some areas (I haven't looked into or seen any direct evidence of that specifically), alongside things like Joe rogan just saying that musk "had an app" and he "knew the election result 4 hours before it was called".
I'm more interested in hearing more about the "under ballot" concerns and the person outlining the simple way to get clarity here with strategic confirmation of votes in a couple counties with especially prevalent shifts as illustrative of larger potential issues.
Republicans cry foul with every election. The Dems should call for a recount too.
We should always do a recount.
Summary of evidence and concerns: Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see book American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton(1), sources below). Elon and Trump are working together (2). They both have substantial ties to Epstein (3) (4) (5) (6). Trump stole election software in 2020 (7). Similarly, Elon Musk has been in contact with Russia for the last 2 years (8). This includes during the Ukraine War when Russia began using Starlink (9) while it was claimed they got them third party and not from Musk himself; however now appears imo to show Elon is a doublecrosser.
Starlink, Elon's satellite company, was installed in some voting machines across the country (10) and may have interfered with vote tabulation. Voting machines were found to be connected to the internet (11). An independent report on voting machines concluded that tabulation tampering was possible with current voting machines, so hand counts are vital (12). In September, Politico had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database (13). Also, there were malicious fake texts from fake DNC organizations, connected to Elon who donated to them, that were fishing voter info (14).
Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it (15), per Joe Rogan podcast in a discussion to Theo Von. Earlier this year, Tana Monogeau, released info that she'd been offered millions of dollars to endorse the Trump campaign and that she knew others had taken the deal (16).
They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation). They want us to be confused about sources and who to trust and what's real, they want to release the truth to anger us and lies to anger us. Trump has refused to write an ethics statement for transition of power saying he will transition peacefully (17). JD Vance has also told the EU that unless they allow X unfettered access to the EU (to spread propaganda), they will withdraw the US from NATO (18) - which will prompt wars or takeover either way and weakens Germany, who is entering an election since their government couldn't agree on Ukraine budget. A Russian space chief said Elon Musk’s plan to bomb Mars is a cover to put nuclear weapons in space (19).
Also speculation, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive (20) - except the signature simply must match your driver's license. It's not a cursive writing test. Avocado toast but with gen z voting fraud. We do not yet have the ballot rejection rates but typically they are around 1% to 1.5% (21).
Crypto is how right wing conservatism got funded here. It's why it took off- it was basically UBI for those men, funded by foreign intelligence for this purpose along with other uses for crypto like dark money, drugs, trafficking, etc (22)(23). The least informed people we knew were investing in crypto when it was starting, mining bitcoins. They couldn't tell you what a stock or tariff is, yet they were making bank in crypto trading. Crypto trading, especially memecoins, appears to be an obvious scam to most because it's the stock market without ownership. So why were these 4chan pedophiles and nazis doing so well? Because it was just meant to give them money the whole time. And crypto is great for transferring money internationally from shady organizations to shady people (24). Far right catchphrases and meme campaigns dispersed online including X, give out the key words/catchphrases for the new coin that isn't a scam and will disperse money. People who are deep in these groups interner algorithms get these keywords first and normal outsiders will either not notice or will stay away. No normal person wants a coin that references Hitler if they are just scrolling memecoins.
Once the government has been taken over, they can force their memecoin as the national currency and then rug pull, which is also what Musk is likely going to do to Tesla at the same time. The entire point is to bankrupt America for Putin and his cartoon villain cohorts. Musk is already saying he wants to withdraw from US currency due to national debt (Trump added most of the national debt) (25).
If you're in Germany, take note. They are coming for you next, your election is soon.
News Links
(1) https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA?si=mwgr4U2c2jleJEBj
(3) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html
(4) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
(6) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/id1750757108
(7) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes
(11) www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436
(13) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615
(15) https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986
(16) https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/tana-mongeau-paid-political-endorsement
(17) https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e
(20) https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11
(21) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_rejected_ballots
(23) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/crypto-cryptocurrency-money-conspiracy.html
Personal Testimony from the dickbags themselves:
youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y
In the first minute:
"Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico."
"If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he's referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states."
“If [Trump] loses, I’m f*cked… How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
Why does Elon think he would go to prison though? For what crime?
youtu.be/Zmc0EN8XAY8?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb
Trump:"Our little secret is having a big impact"
If Trump was so sure the election was rigged and they were going to turnover every state including California, then why hasn't he asked for a recount in all the states with representatives that didn't get elected that he thought would be? Shouldn't he be suing for recounts? He did it last time. Why doesn't he want an investigation this time?
#AssetForfeitureTrumpMusk
If they get locked into years of asset forfeiture from layers and layers of state and municipal claims, we may be able to stop them or at least delay them
I’m really sorry, but I think it’s much more likely that the Democratic platform was very unpopular because it didn’t really appeal to what voters cared about. It’s tempting to start considering conspiracy theories, and it’s good to be skeptical of the systems which govern us, but I don’t think it’s very likely that election interference occurred in this case.
There is plenty of evidence of voters who are really disillusioned with the democrats because they just don’t seem to be focused on the things that matter to the average working class voter - the cost of living going up while wages remain stagnant, entire sectors of the economy being captured by monopolies, public services and infrastructure crumbling, health care and education becoming harder and harder to access…
The democrats are the party of socially liberal, wealthy people. The republicans are the party of socially conservative, wealthy people. This time, more people believed the republicans lies than the democrats lies.
Is it so hard to believe that a majority of theamerican population is just shit and the dems ran an especially bad campaign?
No, but also this.
Democrats have to deliver on the change Obama promised by giving 3rd parties equal access to elections in blue states. No amount of QAnoning will ever change this fact of life.
Serious question - someone is doing this right?
I didn't read the entire stream of images, sorry ain't no one got time for that.
But, I agree with all three of these things:
- It looks fishy
- Just because it looks fishy does NOT mean it is
- It seems we have plenty of time to spot check some of the most surprising outcomes. It should be pretty clear from that whether more recounts are needed, right?
Someone is working on that third thing right now, even if they aren't advertising it with a press release, right??!!!
People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or "other guy bad" simply isn't enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.
One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: "The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was." I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.
Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.
Won't anyone think of the Super PAC donors? /$
The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places "to make sure it's a fair election", Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.
This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.
(And this also doesn't include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what's on file.)
Truly spoken.
Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.
Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes
Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a "great recession", I'm very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.
No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.
The ones who didn't show up elected Trump. Good job, self-righteous dipshits.
They didn't show up because they spent four years under Trump and four years under Biden, and all they got for the effort of voting in those elections was being significantly poorer, so why forego a day's pay?
You're the self-righteous dipshit for not caring about the quality of people you vote for.
Who would have thought giving trillions in Tax refunds to billionaires would result in the rest of the population being worse off?!??? And the nerve of Biden using policy to stop the runaway inflation Trump caused! Don’t worry, those people are all about to find out what real pain is when the cost of things start reflecting trumps proposed tariffs…
I can believe that Trump won on the backs of "people voting only for Trump and no one else on the ballot", since Trump was running far ahead of all the other republican candidates. Means once Trump dies of old age, there will be a power vacuum. Remember, democrats have run two women and Biden in the decade span that republicans have only ran Trump.
Although I've been pointing at these numbers as well, it's worth noting that the effects of the electoral college is still important.
Dem votes were up in PA and GA from 2020. Maybe other swing states as well, haven't looked. Trump's just went up more.
Either way, I think all of the brilliant minds who decided to withhold their votes for Kamala for whatever reason maybe weren't being very pragmatic given the reality of the binary outcome set.
We must be truly desperate to look to the electoral college for help.
Does anyone have the % change by state?
Not that I expect to see anything weird, but 12.4% stands out to me.
So Trumps base is just his base. It’s the 100million plus over 18 and probably eligible to vote (extrapolated from 2020 census numbers, with 77.9% over 18) folks sitting this one out or voting 3rd party.
What were the 2016 numbers? I bet his base is right there near 74mil again.
where are the rest of the parties?
On the "no one cares about the other parties" graph
The others are saying no one cares or they don't matter, but they do if that's where those "missing" votes went
According to Wikipedia data, it's a decrease of 0.3 percentage points from 1.9% in 2020 to 1.6% of votes that didn't go democrat or republican.
Though 5% of the votes are still not reported, so that might change still.
It is not
In all the swing states they were less than the difference between the two parties.
Eessentially Democrats last i checked and calculated on Friday lost 4 swing states that would change the outcome by around 250k votes.
They didn't matter
Maybe you should search for some old threads and tell the blue conservatives that were foaming at the mouth over 3rd parties existing.
Are they working on solving First-past-the-post voting in there state now that the election is over? We will see.
I'm reporting this. Not beautiful. Very painful. Make me cry.
For fucks sake, THE VOTES ARE NOT ALL COUNTED YET. It is too early to be making graphs like this, its just misleading.
As of right now, California is reporting about 72% of the expected total, at about 12 million votes. If the ratio is maintained, we can expect about 2.8 million more votes for Harris from California alone. And Trump can expect another 1.8 million from California.
There are a couple hundred thousand votes to count in each of Oregon, Maryland, and DC.
I mean most states have less than 1% of votes left to count. What change are you expecting from this graph?
Millions more votes from California, Harris and Trump will both get 40% more votes than they have now by the time counting is complete. That's 2.9 million for Harris and 1.9 for Trump. Completely changes the graph. Harris lost something like 5-10% of Biden electorate and Trump gained a few percent of his. Still bad for Harris but doesn't support the narrative this chart wants to be true.
As of 10:30am ET on November 11, populous states that have counted less than 95% of the expected votes include:
- California (72% counted): current count is 7.27 million to 4.79 million.
- Washington (91% counted): 2.07 million to 1.39 million.
- Maryland (86%): 1.66 million to 0.97 million.
- Oregon (87%): 1.16 million to 0.86 million.
- Colorado (94%): 1.69 million to 1.34 million
- Arizona (92%): 1.47 million to 1.65 million
- New Jersey (94%): 2.14 million to 1.91 million
Just eyeballing those, and a few other smaller states with a significant number left to count, it looks like we can probably expect a few million more Harris votes to be added, and maybe another million or two Trump votes to be added.
So a quick eyeball estimate is that the 2020 minus 2024 gap should probably shrink by about half when it's all counted.
Soooo I thought they were still counting some states? Not enough to change the outcome, but perhaps enough to change assessments about voter engagement.
Yes and no. California isn't done, along with a few others. The numbers will continue to go up for both of them, and Harris will close the gap, but all in all it won't change things too much.
How did 10 million fewer Democrat voters, only +500k to Republicans, but have basically the same high voter turnout?
It's looking like a slightly lower turnout, but also there's 5+ million votes still to count. So Trump will gain votes even though turnout is down. Pretty bad times, never been more disappointed in the electorate.
When you find yourself disappointed with the world, that’s a good moment to stop and ask yourself “what am I not seeing?”
where did you get that we have the same turnout both times?
Cool but pop vote means nothing in presidential election. The missing Dems were all from states that don't matter thanks to the electoral college. Harris did nearly as well, or even better than 2020 Biden in the key swing states, and of the ones she didn't do better than 2020 Biden she could have done just as well and still been beaten by 2024 Trump, who got more votes in those swing states.
What are you talking about? She lost
Georgia Pennsylvania Wisconsin MichiganI'm what world is that doing better? She lost the popular vote and the electorial vote. She did not do better than Biden.
Since this entire original post is about the overall popular vote, when I said "did better" I meant in regard to number of votes in those states. But Trump did even better. My point is that the "missing Dem votes" illustrated from the OP were almost all from states other than the key swing states, and didn't ultimately matter due to the electoral college. In the key swing states, Harris got nearly as many or in some cases even more than Biden in 2020. Trump just got even more.
Michigan is the sole swing state in which Harris would have defeated Trump if she had gotten Biden's turnout in 2020. In all other key swing states, even with Biden's 2020 turnout, Harris would have lost to Trump's 2024 turnout. She still would have lost the electoral college.
Wisconsin
Biden 2020: 1.63 million
Harris 2024: 1.667 million
Trump 2024: 1.697 million
Michigan
Biden 2020: 2.804 million
Harris 2024: 2.72 million
Trump 2024: 2.802 million
Georgia
Biden 2020: 2.473 million
Harris 2024: 2.543 million
Trump 2024: 2.66 million
Pennsylvania
Biden 2020: 3.459 million
Harris 2024: 3.352 million
Trump 2024: 3.491 million
Tbf, theyre still counting some ballots, although minimal
seems more lopsided than it should
Damn, Trump's cult secretly genocided 10 million liberals in 4 years!
Resistance is futile
Here's a chart I made of the differences:
2012 2016 2020 2024Republican 60.9M ──────▶ 63.0M ──────▶ 74.2M ──────▶ 74.1M Democrat 65.9M ──────▶ 65.9M ──────▶ 81.2M ──────▶ 70.3M Libertarian 1.3M ──────▶ 4.5M ──────▶ 1.9M ──────▶ 0.6M Green 0.5M ──────▶ 1.5M ──────▶ 0.4M ──────▶ 0.7M (Votes in the millions)
- Interesting Libertarian went way up the first time trump ran then back down the second time and even further the third. Does that mean they switched to trump or didn't run? What makes a libertarian dislike trump the first time but prefer him the first and second?
- Green also went up the first and third time trump ran. One might assume they voted biden the second but maybe harris or not vote the third?
- Democrats went up the second time trump ran but it seems lost 10 mil the third time
- Appears around 12 mil voters are unaccounted for or didn't vote
Hey this is neat, but can you include lines to relate it to the number of eligible voters?
could you do it since you are the one that wants to see it ?
So I just checked, but couldn't find any data yet for 2024. The US Census Bureau has data online up to 2022, same for Statista. Judging from the past releases it would take a year or so for the information to be compiled and released. Looks like we'll have to wait.
Shouldn't they have changed by the same amount?
No. Why would they? Even if everyone voted (which isn't even remotely close to being true) populations also change.
Populations change from birth, death, emigration and immigration. I highly doubt more democrats than republicans died/emigrated/abstained. It is much more likely that this skewed data is due to something else
