I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.
There's a key difference, at least when it comes to hating Reddit.
Most [all?] users here have actual, informed reasons to hate Reddit, from past experiences with the site. They aren't simply joining some bandwagon due to social expectations to bend to the crowd.
Except... it looks like people did start posting. So the users were crowded out by bots before and they're posting now. That just shows that Reddit isn't dead, but it does have too many bots.
I mean, I'm sure many people here wish there was more non-bot content. It's annoying to see something on Reddit and come back here and see the same thing.
It’s already dead. r/wholesomememes decided to allow only original content (no bots or reposts), and, after two days the only post was one begging human users to post anything original.
Asking people to post on their sub is fuckin hilarious to me. Like that's some major, pressing issue in anyone's life.
"Sorry, I can't hang out today. Wholesome Memes subreddit needs me to post there! I'm doing it for the shareholders! Without them, reddit would never survive!"
If you read it, the mod certainly didn't beg. They just mentioned that they're still blocking bots and to not be discouraged from posting original content.
Also I find it highly doubtful that the mods of that subreddit are concerned about shareholders. Why would a mod care about money when they're not even getting paid? They most likely just care about keeping the community alive.
Not to take away the point. Which I think is something most Lemmy users have realized ages ago, reddit is so full of repost bots that it makes gallowboob look like a saint. So much in fact that after two days, not a single original post has occurred in a subreddit with a reported 17 million followers.
It's an excellent chat program (except it's pretty buggy on mobile). But it doesn't function well as a forum replacement. The lack of discoverability is a big problem.
Yeah.. shooting some nonsense back and forth. But game devs that shoehorn stuff into discord making everything objectively worse while making everything unfindable.. it drives me nuts!
Reddit allows site wide search, and recently contracted with Google to make their content accessible. Also old reddit content is searchable and thread based conversations can be followed.
Discord is just a vast collection of independent black holes that gobble up information and data while its users collectively yell into the void of chat channels.
Yeah, it's just that devs of games guide everyone there and try and shoehorn it in. I don't know how or why devs do this.. just run your own forum with a chat module.
Yeah, I've long since stopped using Google. Theres not any search engines I've found that mimic Google in its height, but many of them are better than what Google is now. Even bing.
When Reddit was new, it mentioned Digg a lot.
When Digg was new, it mentioned /. a lot.
When /. was new (yes, I was there, too), it mentioned Usenet a lot.
At some points in time, the likes of The WELL, the Facepunch forums and Metafilter got their own mentions, prompting me to check them out.
Yeah, at the core, people cause problems when the group gets too big to be a tight knit one. There are also a not insignificant amount of people, who get together, with antisocial behavior in mind. When you have thousands of people, posting on some community forum, it will be impossible for it not have some serious underlying issues. Not to even think of the scale of places like reddit, where that forum could have millions of users.
Back in the day, when IRC ruled the social scene of the internet, it was hard to control a channel that had 100+ people on it, forget about crowds orders of magnitude larger.
Whenever I stumble on reddit I make sure to post disinformation or some kind of dumb shit to throw a wrench into the LLM training data they sell to google.
I just got another one today for "harassment" of zionism in r/worldnews. Reddit cannot hold a free discussion and they know it. They can't even let you speak to expose their bullshit, and permaban you when you do.
I can you show you the comment which got me banned. I was literally asking questions which they know the answer for but censor intentionally because they are bought and controlled by awful groups directly linked to the IDF themselves. They have a division who train and employe teens as stupid Hasbara trolls who don't know history and unable to hold a discussion.
I hate to ruin this for you, but if you post nonsense, it will get downvoted by humans and excluded from any data set (or included as examples of what to avoid). If it's not nonsensical enough to be downvoted, it still won't do well vote wise, and will not realistically poison any data. And if it's upvoted... it just might be good data. That is why Reddit's data is valuable to Google. It basically has a built in system for identifying 'bad' data.
4chan, in part, ruined real life. So much of the initial meme buzz around Trump came directly from 4chan - god emperor, etc. /b/ and /pol/ had large coordinated campaigns to boost Trump for lulz and to fuck with people. These made the news occasionally and were sometimes quite wide-reaching. Edit: not to forget Qanon, pizzagate, etc.
Additionally, 4chan is responsible for a massive swathe of meme culture more broadly. Most people don't dredge its depths or even know "the hacker named 4chan" exists, but it has been a massively influential force.
imo redditors and 4channers think too highly of themselves if they believe they have real influence on elections. Most people aren't online (except for Facebook), and politics are much more readily explained by material causes such as the Dems fcking up the post 2008 economic recovery and going for austerity instead of investment. The biggest proximate cause (non-material/economic) is just that hilldawg ran a bad campaign that didn't focus enough on swing states (but she won the popular vote, congratulations).
There have been dark corners of the internet for several decades now. 4chan is just one. Trump didn't achieve popularity because of it. There aren't enough users, and there certainly aren't enough politically and economically influential users, for that to be true.
I was one of those. Before Lemmy, nothing was truly an alternative for Reddit. There were alternative Twitter-like sites up the ass and Facebook; but nothing similar to Reddit's layout/presentation.
Restricting search results to reddit is still a nice way to filter out corporate junk and just get honest end user opinion on things. As much as I hate the management of the platform now, you have to remember that Reddit didn't always used to be shit. Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.
I've made an active effort to bookmark any active forums I come across. Even Lemmy doesn't quite fill the niche that actual forums provide, though it is still useful.
Civfanatics. I actually joined up long before I ever signed up for Reddit. It's probably the one site besides Youtube that I've consistently used since middle school.
Lemmy still has a lot of problems reddit does, just smaller and weirder. It's probably not possible to create a "perfect" social media platform, but there still seems like room for a new type of social network that's federated but isn't a clone of something else.
I still use reddit for looking up information even after deleting my account. Yesterday i decided i wanted to compile the zen kernel for fedora. And reddit had the best guide for doing so. And what settings were worth a damn.
What makes you think so? I read hardcore as 'small and tight-knit', exactly the kind of forum that could survive easily on user donations and due to the more personal relationship there's more loss in leaving it. I know some forums that fit that description that are still around now.
It's gonna die like Digg or Fark ... Which are still around, but shells of their former selves.
TBH most normal folks haven't even heard of Reddit, let alone Lemmy or Mastodon.
I disagree with you on how well known Reddit is, it's been mentioned in enough news stories over the years that most people have heard of it, even if they've never been there.
AI means Reddit will always look alive at a glance.
Like you still get some people complaining that lemmy isn’t active enough for them to leave Reddit, even though they’re just hanging out with bots all day.
Gotta disagree with that. I remember the rampant elitism and tribalism, the shock-culture, isolation of communities, casual bigotry that would make modern 4chan blush, arbitrary forum rules irregularly enforced, etc etc etc.
For all the modern internet's problems, its communities are much more connected, it's much more accessible and less elitist, that shock-culture died out, the casual bigotry became contentious instead of accepted, and corporate running the show on most of these sites means that appeals and reversals are much easier than when you would rub some mod the wrong way and get permabanned from a forum you were a long-time member of. Never happened to me, but I saw it numerous times.
They will also just casually full bore ban you because you were mass reported.
That's what someone I talked to theorized happened to me.
I was banned for posting "I think my right to punch Nazis should be protected by law".
Not kill, murder, maim, I didn't even name any groups where there was a lick of grey area, Nazis, the one group that since WWII, everyone has agreed are alright as a universal bad guy.
I had a 10+ year old account with like 1.5m karma get full stop banned for reasons behind my comprehension. I wasn't doing any overt racism, misogyny, violent rabble rousing... Nothingworse than vehemently disagreeing with somebody and calling them an idiot or a clown.
I only suspect I triggered a nerve which got me mass reported to an extent that I got caught in the dragnet. Being disagreeable was a ban worthy offensive maybe??
Overly sensitive fuckwits with brittle feelings. I am the same ol' dumbass I always was but the culture shifted towards "business casual" away from being more like "diet 4chan"
I had an account of similar magnitude banned. Why? Because on January 6th, on the very day, I wondered aloud why there weren't soldiers repelling the crowd of insurrectionists trying to overthrow our democracy with machine gun fire. I'm sorry, but if a crowd of thousands of people shows up with the intent of hanging the vice president and overthrowing the government? Well, you made your choice if you're in that group. The correct response to a group like that is to first give them plenty of warning. But if they persist, use whatever force is necessary to repel them.
Other things I've been banned for:
Telling an overt bigot posting in an LGBT sub to go kindly "go die in a fire."
Suggesting, before the ruling, that if SCOTUS ruled that the president was completely above the law that he should simply drone strike Supreme Court justices to produce a majority on the court that would repeal his new powers.
Evading bogus bans.
At this point I've got a lifetime ban from there. And you know what? I'm fine with it. The policies on reddit remind me of the blind "zero tolerance" policies that have screwed over so many in American high schools. When I was in high school years ago, the standard was "zero tolerance" for violence of any kind. If a bully attacked a victim, they would both get in trouble. Being the victim was no defense. It was zero tolerance, zero thought. And that is the standard that is now used on reddit. They'll still allow racist dogwhistles and entire subreddits run by hate groups, but as long as you don't cross a handful of explicit lines, you're fine. You can openly celebrate the deaths of tens of thousands of people in Gaza, but tell one bigot to go die in a fire, and suddenly you're banned.