I am specifically waiting for this to happen so I can be part of the flood to Firefox when they finally throw the switch.
Why wait?
Also, Brave browser exists for those who are particularly attached to chromium.
brave is literally just chromium, it solves none of the fundamental problems other than being like, reasonably well built.
It's chrome, but if it didnt't try and kill you ever update. That's the difference.
I could see this as part of a metrics thing - if Google sees a big drop in users right after the rollout, it's harder to brush it under the rug as having no correlation.
Or perhaps try ungoogled chrome if you enjoy Chrome.
Lmao down voted to oblivion
Brave is a great browser and the only chromium one I would ever use but mentioning it on Reddit OR Lemmy will cause you to get mass downvoted unfortunately
The browser lets you customize the dashboard so you can make the browser look as clean or minimal as you want with almost no distractions
Biggest issue I have with Firefox is that some websites can be broken but 99.9% of the time this is not Firefoxβs fault and the only one to blame is lazy developer's
Firefox out of the box doesnβt come with specific features that the websites that I use need which is why I havenβt made the switch yet, biggest one is that Firefox doesnβt work with Keychronβs in browser software that is used to customize their keyboards. Again this is not Firefoxβs fault because Firefox didnβt adopt the feature because of security concerns which is completely valid and even commendable.
While introducing opt-out tracking where you data is sent to advertisers. Get LibreWolf instead.
Oh I didn't know this fork, thanks!
I'm about to reach a point where I just abandon technology. Become a full luddite and let it burn over its own hubris.
Iβm really hoping Googleβs antitrust case doesnβt kill Mozilla. Over 85% of Mozillaβs cash flow is dependent on Google paying for that search box.
If Mozilla stopped paying his CEO millions of dollars... and if they actually financed development with people donations...
We don't know what they pay their new CEO.
I don't think google wants to get hit with another antitrust lawsuit for web browsing, so I am sure they will figure out some other deal to funnel money to Firefox
Good point. Could be like MS and Apple in the late 90βs. When Apple was on deathβs door, Gates invested in Apple so MS would have faux competition for regulators.
Honestly at least they'd be forced to revamp their business model and focus on their users. I'd willingly donate to them monthly if it went to firefox directly and they acted in our interest accordingly
Still the best browser, even though the majority left it for the speed they think chrome has.
Iβm back on Firefox now, but I did originally leave it because Edge had the speed. Not sure if thatβs because itβs more optimized for Windows.
I mean yeah, all these big tech companies are trying to make their products feel faster, because that's the only space they can compete. When it comes to privacy, they all lose.
YouTube videos for some reason won't load for me on Firefox. I switched to the Waterfox fork and it's fine.
Well, Google has been caught trying to make their sites slower / malfunctioning on Firefox. Usually they get away with it by saying it's a mistake.
Chrome definitely has the more sleek and responsive UI.
But that's all Chrome has.
Mozilla's slowly creeping in the surveillance with adding integrated crap like Pocket and AI driven Fake Spot. I'm really glad Librewolf's made a privacy focused fork of their browser without all that nonsense.
a lot of sites are unusable with librewolf for some reason
A lot of sites? Or more like just a few? Personally, the ratio of working vs broken sites is like 100 to 1 and when a site is broken, its usually one of those shit pile SEO listicle sites or some absolute trash heap of ads. Every time I've disabled the protections I've regretted it.
A lot of the web is useless trash nowadays and Librewolf has done a good job of filtering that for me.
Related announcement: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution
TLDR: Mozilla wants your data and it's opt out. If you're on FF 128 it's already on and you will have to turn it off manually. Shame how they have fallen this low. The LEAST they could have done is show a pop up announcement when the user upgraded to 128.
Also: +1 to Librewolf. Mozilla is definitely going to try more scummy crap like this in the future. Definitely the better option over Firefox.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I just read that whole article and it sounds like a good implementation? Companies want to know how effective their ads are, and I like their approach of trying to find a way to provide this without wholesale personal data collection. They even say at the end that they don't get the data either. It sounds like a reasonable thing to try and standardize.
Can't wait for ladybird to come out! Finally something that speaks our language.
I've read the announcement. Sounds reasonable and sufficiently private to me. So saying "Mozilla wants your data" sounds misleading and like an overreaction to me. Also might help to mitigate the arms race in privacy protection versus tracking for ads and worse stuff.
Mozilla is definitely going to try more scummy crap like this in the future.
How do you know that?
Even if, there will still be alternatives. But right now, Firefox is the best browser with regards to privacy and security. It even passed minmum ratings by the german IT security authority, contrary to other widely used browsers.
atleast its opt out
I really hope there's a significant rise in Firefox -and derivatives- usage share. It will be good for everyone, even those stuck on Chromium browsers.
"And then Mozilla management comes in from the top rope with the chair"
Seriously, for profit companies should not own open source projects.
That for-profit company is owned by a non-profit. They don't have shareholders to which they could pay out the profits.
Mozilla is about to collapse due to the Google antitrust ruling though.
Mozilla and its murder/suicide pact with Google falling apart may be the best thing that could possibly happen to Firefox.
The antitrust case is about Google and Apple, not Mozilla. It doesn't mean the antitrust case will have any impact on Mozilla, because it's not a major player, unlike Apple.
I don't think you realize where and why Mozilla gets its funding.
Has it actually been confirmed when it's coming? I feel like this has been threatened for years now.
It started in june, for now it's just showing a warning saying that the extension will soon no longer be supported. They'll be disabled gradually until the beginning of 2025.
https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/develop/migrate/mv2-deprecation-timeline
We need another meme like this about Firefox but with the first panel saying "Antitrust judgement against Google" and the second panel blank, without anyone coming to the rescue.
The large majority of Mozilla's revenue comes from the money that Google pays to be the default search engine in Firefox.
Manifest v3 was why I switched to FF a while ago - it was going to only be a matter of time even with the delays so I figured I should switch early. I still like how chrome looks a lot more and wish we had tab grouping, but google can take uBO from my cold, dead hands.
Oh you can tab group and even window label in FF, check out the extensions
Agreed, I also miss the feature of being able to extend a screenshot on a page.
But uBO is a necessity now to browse the Internet. The ads are so bad now.
Floorp for power users
I've been curious about Floorp. Are you using it as your daily driver? And pros and cons?
The biggest pro for me is the vertical tabs. It's got the same vertical tabs that Edge has which are great. I only use Edge at work but it's great especially when you have a web based production environment like nCino that you work in all day and have dozens of tabs open. You can group them up nicely and keep yourself organized. Floorp is based off of Firefox ESR so it's on an older build (but up to date security). The current build is based off FF 115 while FF is on 129 now.
I moved from vivaldi to it. Move the the side bar to the left and it felt just like home
I like Vivaldi and they are going to keep V2 support for a while. I will switch to Firefox when it's gone, but for the time being I am happy they are keeping the support.
And even if they don't keep it: they got browser-level Adblock- and Tracking-Filters that you can just feed the same lists you'd put into uBlock
Sure it's lacking the spot-blocking, tool if there's a missed ad or a fine-tuned whitelisting but I think that browser will stay usable even if V3 is implemented.
Pihole for the win
That's not the same. DNS blocking is great but it can't block as well as a proper ad blocker.
No, but better then nothing and network wide
I use one too, but it doesnβt block certain things like YouTubeβs embedded adverts. Also use uBlock Origin.
It will block youtube ads if the video is embedded in another website. When I want to find a youtube video on my tv I just search it on DuckDucGo, since watching it there blocks ads and seems to bypass any restrictions they've placed on watching videos outside of youtube.
I need to set up a cheap computer and just run the TV as a monitor so I can have all the features I want, including a real browser with ublock. But in the meantime, this fixes the one issue I have with DNS level blocking.
I keep seeing this posted here and elsewhere. Is there a simple, easy step-by-step explanation for how to build one of these and how to deploy it on your home network?
Iβve got very limited experience with working with Raspberry Pi.
Step 1) Get a raspberry pi. Step 2) Open terminal and paste: curl -sSL https://install.pi-hole.net | bash Step 3) Point your DNS to the raspberry piβs IP address.
If you don't want to tinker with a Raspberry Pi, a simpler alternative would be AdGuard DNS
https://adguard-dns.io/en/public-dns.html
(Configure manually -> Routers)I looked into making one a while back and it's honestly quite complicated if you're not a techy person. I gave up on it, though I think you can also buy them pre-built for a bit more money so you might look into that.
Their Official website has easy to follow step-by-step instructions
There's was only a very brief period that I would have considered Chrome a better option and that was the period when Chrome had a mobile app and FF didn't. Other than that, I have never understood why you would use chrome. I know FF didn't invent tab browsing, but definitely the first to do it successfully.
Mozilla about to lose funding from Google antitrust consequences :(
How convenient that this happens just a few days after Firefox implements the features that have been blocking me from switching for the last few years.
Still, I'm curious about other browsers. We know Chrome is killing V2, but what about other Chromium-based browsers? I saw below a comment espousing Brave, but I'd rather use Chrome than Brave because of the gross crypto bs. What about Vivaldi, Opera, and Chredge? Will they keep supporting Manifest V2?
just a few days after Firefox implements the features that have been blocking me from switching for the last few years.
Which are those?
Multi-window support on iPad is the main one. Less important, though it would have bugged me if they didn't have it, is sustained Incognito tabsβwhich apparently they had until a couple of months ago, then removed without explanation, then added back in just 1 day ago, also without explanation. Found a thread on their forums with a whole bunch of people perplexed and asking what happened.
Wonder if the recent antitrust ruling about Google paying for being the default search engine will affect Mozilla's funding.
I use firefox, I mostly like it, but it still doesn't support chromium style tab groups (no, that one extension is not similar), and its webgpu implementation also doesn't work on most websites more than a year after Google made their version available by default
Iβve started using Tree Style Tabs in Firefox and really like it. Maybe vertical tabs arenβt so bad?
Tab groups are in the works but we haven't heard anything new about it since March.
Mozilla could definitely be putting their development time into the areas that the browser is actually behind in
Not sure if this is βthat one extensionβ, but I use Simple Tab Groups for Workspaces-like functionality, similar to Edge and Vivaldi. I know, it isn't tab groups, but I use it similarly.
I'm guessing, they're referring to multi-account container tabs. It's what the Chrome feature took heavy inspiration from, but of course without the privacy protection aspect.
I've been using Vivalid, they have 'Workspaces' (as its Tab Group analog) which is different but in a way that was a pleasant surprise and kind of reminds me of older systems. Imagine working with one tab group at a time and the rest disappear when you're not on that workspace.
I do not study in detail if this combination is necessary, but:
- Firefox (of course)
- Ghostery
- Ublock Origin
- Privacy Badger
- Decentraleyes
- Disconnect
All of them except uBlock Origin are in Arkenfox "Do not bother" extension list: https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions#-dont-bother
Thank you a lot for sharing this link!
Ghostery, Privacy Badger and Disconnect do nothing worthwhile that uBlock Origin doesn't already do.
privacyguides.org seems quite solid for recommendations
Pretty happy with Brave, but I'm guessing that being a downstream chromium fork they'll eventually be stuffed and forced into using V3?
Brave said they would stay on v2.
I'm using AdNauseam instead. So ad networks, what exactly are you collecting?
Click fraud is a big thing, with lots of counter measures, I don't see how they could go past them as they are saying themselves that they have a very naive approach. To me it's useless at best, but more probably counterproductive.
the number of forks says ff is next. the ad machine needs your money.
The ad machine doesn't need my money. They never even asked. I am the product to them.
I mean unless Mozilla starts getting sued by Ad companies to force them to ban ad blockers, I don't think that will happen because being able to have ad blockers is a major selling point.
But even if it does happen, Firefox is open source and has been forked, so the next alternative is LibreWolf.
brave promised to continue using v2 so that every brave user would continue having the freedom of choice to use ublock and umatrix if they so desired.
Then there's also the adblocking brave has built in and also adguard for windows.
Also, firefox is full of tracking and telemetry from advertising spyware now. If you want to use a firefox based browser, use Librewolf instead, all of the best parts of firefox with none of the bullshit firefox has in it now.
Just be sure you enable the letter boxing feature inside of librewolf.
my issue with firefox atm is that both twitter extensions I use have been hobbled/removed by it for what looks to me to be spurious reasons.
https://github.com/kheina-com/Blue-Blocker/discussions/294
https://github.com/dimdenGD/OldTwitter/discussions/752
inb4 "lol @ using twitter in 2024" I just steal memes from it, and mastodon/bluesky simply aren't up to speed yet.
Weighing options though I'll go with Firefox and shitty twitter experience rather then Chrome and the ads everywhere experience. Not really a contest there. Just idle complaints.
uBO Lite works on Manifest v3 and it works quite well in my experience, so I kinda don't get the whole manifest whining
Source: I made it up
I guess Anonym, PPA, Cliqz, pocket, the default telemetry that is non-trivial to disable, and whatever this latest nonsense is are all just hallucinations.
That doesn't seem to be a source for OP's message.
Firefox feels so much slowwr than chrome when loading sites for me
I'll take slower over ad-bloated every day.
If you're talking about Google owned sites, there's circumstantial evidence that Google sets their sites up to do that intentionally in order to gimp competitors.
That's weird, something is definitely wrong. Are they set up in a similar way? The first thing that comes to my mind is: Are you using the same DNS server on both? Differences in DNS response time should be more noticeable than rendering time on most hardware. And I think Firefox doesn't use the system DNS by default but I might be wrong. Do you mind checking? I'm curious now.
For me, switching from chrone to ff around 3 years it felt the opposite. Ff opens so much faster. Also scrolling is way smoother.
Sadly Mozilla is becoming the next Google of web browsers.
What?
Have you not heard the news? Mozilla essentially have become an advertising company by acquiring adtech start-up called Anonym. I think the only way to escape this bullshit is by installing privacy-enabled Firefox fork (such as LibreWolf) or to wait for an alternative web browser to rise up (like Ladybird or Servo) which has user freedom and privacy in its first priority, which is something that Mozilla doesn't seem to care lately.
I use Opera
(yes i know it's "Chinese spyware" if the Chinese government really wants to know what youtube videos i watch for hours, what porn i browse, and what impulse purchases i make they can have it, i don't fucking care, when i want privacy i use Tor)
anyway i use Opera, and despite the fact it's been my browser of choice for over a decade i will switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if my ad blockers stop working and i'm forced to watch ads for over 3 days in a row (in uBlock devs i trust)
wasn't tor created by DARPA?
Nah it was the United States Naval Research Laboratory.
If you want opera without rationalizing what the Chinese government does to you, you can try vivaldi.
nah it's not rationalising, i really just don't care. I mentioned it there because the second i mention Opera anywhere the first reply is always "but did you know it's Chinese spyware?"
I like Opera's features like workspaces, tab islands, built in adblock, built in vpn etc. it really suits my scatter brain self
