The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The "they hit me first" gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That's why most people in the west don't support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.
War is the ultimate singularity. It's a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there's literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.
On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.
It's... not that long or complicated. Palestinians were there during the latter Ottoman Empire. The Israeli state is a project conceived after WW2 which, since its inception, has been illegally settling in land where Palestinian people already lived, and forcefully displacing them. You may not like what Hamas does, but like, what do you expect when you kick people out of the land they inhabit, a pat in the back or some resistance?
This is ultimately the Jedi philosophy. Only use lethal force to defend oneself or others.
If the Oct 7 and ensuring events happened during, say that High Republic, the Jedi would be despatched to buffer the warzone. Then meditate between both sides like access to places of worship and settlement zoning, arrest anyone on both sides committing crimes against the Republic (kidnappers and war criminals) which would in turn please citizens on both sides. Then probably install a small Jedi outpost/temple to act as local peacekeepers. All to prevent more death, which is ultimately one of the main tenants of the Jedi Order.
One could argue Luke's actions are the result of defense of others needed so direly after years of slaughter and against an indiscriminate killing machine by the Empire that the loss of life, albeit great, was justified.
The whole point of the prequels is that the Jedi were kinda shit and supported the status quo, even as Palpatine took over the Republic and formed it into a highly militarized empire. So yeah the Jedi probably would accomplish little of note for decades while the Palestinian situation got worse and worse.
A just government would have retaliated against Zionists after the Nakba, permanently destroying their ability to wage war and empowering the Palestinian government to prevent a repeat of the tragedy. A just and competent government never would have let zionist terrorists do what they did in the first place, and would have presided over a peaceful transition from colonial to local rule, resulting in a multireligious and multiethnic Palestine.
There's no doubt that Israelis are killing Palestinian people in much larger numbers than Palestinians are killing Israelis. Many people have many views on who is responsible for what, and there are a lot of difficult and complicated discussions that one might have, but for you to forget about all of the Palestinians who lost their lives is just disgraceful.
A small but cool detail, Luke even says "I hate the Empire too but there's nothing I can do about it right now."
Although I think the Expanded Universe ruins this detail by establishing that "the academy" Luke wanted to join was actually a rebel academy, even though that makes far less sense.
wasn't it more like he wanted to join the Imperial Academy to simply get trained and then would defect just like all his friends did? I mean that's how I interpreted it from the EU comics and books, especially the Rogue Squad media. That's exactly what Biggs did and Luke wanted to follow in his footsteps. That's what the majority of Rebel pilots did. Either join the Imp Academy and Defect or signup with CorSec and do pretty much the same.
Two neighbors were fighting over a financial dispute. They couldn’t reach an agreement, so they took their case to the local rabbi. The rabbi heard the first litigant’s case, nodded his head and said, “You’re right.”
The second litigant then stated his case. The rabbi heard him out, nodded again and said, “You’re also right.”
The rabbi’s attendant, who had been standing by this whole time, was justifiably confused. “But, rebbe,” he asked, “how can they both be right?”
The rav thought about this for a moment before responding, “You’re right, too!”
Yeah, I want to interpret it as someone posting not only in support of Palestine, but in warning to Israel that their actions are that of the star wars Empire, and that the rebels did eventually succeed in a massive counterattack
Yeah but in this story the "rebels" want to kill as many Jews as they can, as we saw on October 7.
In this story if there is a successful counter attack, it will be many many more civilians dead.
The rebels aren't always the good guys, you know. I mean do you support the Rebels in the US Civil War? Sometimes the smaller power is just a group of assholes that want horrible things.
Yeah, cause it's fiction idiot. You know, the thing where we can have clear cut situations that are entirely black and white. Where one side is entirely evil and the entire one pure good. Reality fucking sucks
Yup. Often when "It is a period of civil war" the rebels are horrible people, as we saw in the US civil war. Also Star Wars takes a lot from WWII, a conflict where an Alliance (Allies) defeated an Empire. Actually multiple Empires.
The uniforms of the Star Wars Empire look a lot like the German Empire, and the trench run was like a dam-busting bombing run and Hoth was like Dunkirk. But the allies had significantly more resources than the Empires had in WWII. Also the Allies was the side that built a super weapon.
So... what should we learn from Star Wars? I dunno... fascism is bad even if they might have cool uniforms. That and... pew pew pew voom voom.
it's as if we are in an alternate timeline where Luke immediately went to emperor Palpatine and said your cock is the best I've ever seen! let me suck it, and let's do a commercial together about how the empire will save the galaxy, and that you should donate to his reelection.
I don't know why people seem to be mad that a fictional story can accurately represent real life like we don't already have actual real life examples of the same thing.
Anyone remember Rambo thanking the Mujahideen fighters, which was retracted in future publications.
I'm really not sure I understand what point he's trying to make. First of all he's equating fiction to reality which is ridiculous at the very least.
But secondly, he took revenge on the people who actually killed his family. As opposed to taking revenge on people that just happened to be in the approximate vicinity of people who killed his family. The Death Star was a military base.
I’m really not sure I understand what point he’s trying to make.
The point is that there exists a fundamental dissonance between events as they transpire in fiction and for which the audience is emotionally invested and those same kinds of events as they happen in real life and the audience's perception of them as they happen in real life.
Star Wars was originally inspired by Lucas's perspective on the Vietnam War. The Storm Troopers are, in that sense, comparable to American forces killing unarmed Vietnamese farmers. Most Americans who saw Star Wars never made that connection because this is in conflict with the audience's internalized notion of "America good" and "America's enemies bad." As such, in watching and enjoying the story of Star Wars, you are ironically investing yourself into a narrative that inverts your normative ideological position. You can extrapolate this onto the current conflict in Ghaza without much effort.
First of all he’s equating fiction to reality which is ridiculous at the very least.
They are not being "equated" - they are being compared. He's making an implied comparison between fictional events and real world current events in order to highlight similarities between the two. Specifically, he's doing a form of comparison called "juxtaposition." Being able to do this is a very basic element of media literacy.
he took revenge on the people who actually killed his family
Well, no, the specific individuals who killed his family were probably the stormtroopers stationed on Tatooine, whom he never actually interacted with. The specific people onboard the Death Star that were not part of the Empire's military high command had virtually nothing at all to do with his family's death.
As opposed to taking revenge on people that just happened to be in the approximate vicinity of people who killed his family. The Death Star was a military base.
The individual in the image literally says that he "immediately joined the armed resistance and literally blew up the enemy base." Not sure what your point is here, unless you're implying that you believe that the Palestinians who are fighting against Israel are only attacking indiscriminate civilian targets and not military ones.
The problem is it can be just as easily interpreted either way. It should seem to most of us to say, 'destroying homes creates more martyrs,' but I'm sure half the people will interpret it as, 'unprovoked attack deserves indiscriminate retaliation.' In that, it does a surprisingly good job of encapsulating how complicated the whole thing is...
I dont see how it is complicated. There were people living on a land. Another people came to steal it and started the violence. Since then it committed far more violence while being armed and supported by another imperial entity that wants those people to keep destabilizing their region to prevent the development of a stable regional power that could leverage its resources and strategic position appropriately.
You missed the part where that's a consequence of their land being illegally claimed and forcefully seized by an apartheid state. You may disagree with the methods of Hamas, but its existence is undoubtedly a reaction to Israel's actions
Nah he definitely went to citys and burned civilians alive. And every time he can he shoots into cities. Dont you know that simple thing truth? This is what the good guys do!
Wait, are we saying he's the good guy, the Hamas "freedom fighter" or the Israeli protecting their lands? Who is the good guy... and that's are fucking scary thought that I don't know.
And then he genitally mutilated the women he found, attempted and conduced beheadings and also attacked a festival near that outpost. He also did that years after the last attack, during a time of relative relaxation, knowing well that the reaction would bring destruction on an unimaginable scale to his people. And before that, he aceoted large sums of money from the empire.
Holy shit, can you stop painting the Hamas as anything other than what a Palestinian IDF would look like? People really look at theocrat8c and fascist8c Organisation and go "ooh but they da freedum faiters, dey must be gud."
These are two unpopular governments throwing their civilians in a stupid war. Hamas was elected in the last parliamentary elections, which happened in 2006. They are just a political party clinging to power, as is Bibi's party.
The war only makes both parties more powerful. You should support the Palestinian people because of the inequality between them and Israël, because of Israël's apartheid regime, not because Hamas.
There wasn't any voting in the Empire after Palpatine dissolved the Senate.
Sort of like how there was no voting in Gaza after Hamas permanently suspended elections.
Also there were homes in Israel that looked a lot like Luke's house after Hamas attacked and mercilessly massacred everyone they could find on October 7.
Yeah, exactly thats why Israel now exterminates the Hamas terrorists that clearly state that they want to commit a genocide, furthermore they are a elected government! Peace through terrorism is just as much of a idiotic take as a peaceful Islamic theocracy in Middle East.
They blew up many people in Israel, they burned people alive, they beheaded loads of people.
The resistance in Starwars, they don't blow up civilians Festivals, they don't behead civilians, they don't burn them alive and they didn't want to commit a genocide... Somehow all these things where done by the Empire... The bad guys...
Hamas was an elected government, in 2006. Elections haven't been held since. I hope your mention of "elected government" was to say "an elected government shouldn't behave like this" instead of how it struck me, which was "the electors of that government are more or less responsible for the government's behavior today".
The Nazis never got elected and people still say Germany absolutely deserved to be leveled, wich it did. And then you people come and say "Hamas wasn't voted after 2006" yeah that's because they are a terrorist organization that is exactly the same as the fascist Nazis just with another religion. They still run the government btw, they also release press statements of victim numbers, they do this.
Hamas was around before they canceled the first try at democracy there. They behaved exactly like they do now. There is no excuse for this.
Im not for leveling Palestinia, Israel doesn't even have the technology to do this, they only have precision strike equipment, but im definitely for cutting out the cancer with all the necessary force.
If you're willing to kill an entire people (that is, genocide) then violence works. There are no native American raids into white settlements in the USA anymore.
Israel has the poor taste to want to use the same tactics that European empires used in the 16th to 20th centuries, but in the 20th and 21st centuries.
The Irish didn't declare a theocratic war of genocide and the brits actually did shit. Oh and it came to an end when a ceasefire was agreed upon.
Force is the only thing that works for religious terrorism. Political terrorism is a completely different ting every time it happens, its way more complex.
You can also just disagree with Hamas and condemn the individual warcrimes that happen in every war and aren't systematically committed by the IDF... No other fucking army keeps humanitarian corridors for several weeks, no other army warns several times before bunker busting buildings to destroy the tunnels below. No other army wouldn't have leveled gaza by now given the history. Israel has no obligation to make ceasefire proposals to people that prove to be not upholding them at all and furthermore took hostages, where it is unclear if they are even still alive.