Cheese was the one thing that kept me from going fully vegan for some time. Don't care about meat, don't care about milk, but cheese, cheese is special.
Similar boat here. I've been vegetarian for 18+ years now, and my meals have been vegan most days lately, but I don't know if I'll ever fully cut out cheese.
I'm still waiting the rest of the world to find out that there are so many types of pizza with no cheese
Are any of them good?
They have no cheese so no
Plenty of them are, but of course depends on taste. One of the most common and classic pizza is without cheese (marinara). So plenty of people like it
Yes. Cheese can be overpowering for more subtle toppings, it's also fairly high in salt. You don't really notice the salt, unless you mix it with other topping that are also salty.
BBQ sauce with jalapeno and nutritional yeast is pretty good. The nutritional yeast give that cheese-like funk without the salt combining with the jalapeno, or counteracting the sweet of the bbq sauce.
Also, the cheese also ruins some flavours like kimchi, bruschetta, or chimichurri.
That's just bread. Pizza is bread topped with sauce and cheese, end of discussion.
pizza is just bread, you don't need cheese, end of discussion. there's marinara for example
I’d rather have pizza with no cheese than pizza with no red sauce but again, it’s like saying I’d rather have no green cones than no red cones in my eyes. Having both adds and extra dimension.
Explain yourself!
In Italy cheese is absolutely not required, even if Margherita is the most common base so most pizzas have cheese. Even so, there are many types of pizza with no cheese, and many others with no tomato.
It's also very common to see pizza farcita, which you can imagine as a pizza sandwich. For example a very common one is "pizza e mortazza" in Rome, which is a pure puzza with no topping but filled with mortadella (a type of ham). But various kinds of fillings are possible
Another example would be focaccia, most of them don't have any cheese at all.
There is even sweet pizza with no cheese, for example pizza with Nutella
Yes, please. Expose yourselves. It is a fate most gruesome that awaits the cheese deniers
I explained more in detail in another comment here, but to be short I can list some like pizza farcita, focaccia, marinara etc
Blessed are the cheesemakers.
I need that image of the crow.
https://imgur.com/gallery/crow-of-judgement-7iWB3HT - Cleaned up from sauce but might need more JPEG.
http://owlmeat.blogspot.com/2008/12/grackle-day-poem.html - Sauce
Oh, thank you! I love restored memes.
Psst... It's a common grackle, not a crow.
Cheese apologism is cowardice
Technically, dairy tolerance is mostly genetic. It doesn't have any particular survival benefits in this day and age, though.
Hence the reference to their bloodline. Most of the world is lactose intolerant, so I guess most people have a weak bloodline
/s, because apparently it wasn't clearly a joke?
The ability to enjoy pizza without turning into a diarrhea rocket is a survival benefit .
Fancy ice cream place in town sells Lactaid for $0.25 in a big bowl by the cash register. Genius move..
Or supporting a weak bloodline.. you decide..
I don't want to live without milk and cookies.
I really dont care for cheese as a general rule, the exceptions being unless it’s a on a pizza, potentially on a cheeseburger although I’d prefer it without, or otherwise incorporated into a recipe to the point where I can’t tell(I almost always can unfortunately). It’s based in sensory issues I have tried many times to overcome through trial and error, and I hate this aspect of myself, but this is a relatable screenshot from both romantic and platonic relationships over the years
potentially on a cheeseburger although I’d prefer it without
So ... a hamburger?
So… you can’t taste it on a pizza?
Mozzarella is mild enough to where I don’t notice it I reckon
I'm not arsed about cheese one way or another, but honestly a Big Mac (or a breakfast wrap) without cheese is much better. I find it tastier, less gooey, and just generally more burger-like than a stack of stodge.
Well worth a try.
Skill issue
Is it lactose intolerance? Because that's a weak argument. Lactose can be broken down in the gut in one of two ways, for the lactose tolerant, this is through an enzyme called lactase, which you create in your gut naturally. It separates the lactose into smaller parts that can be digested normally.
For the lactose intolerant, they lack (or at least underproduce) lactase in the gut, so the breakdown of lactose to its more basic chains is done through fermentation (or something similar), which produces significant amounts of methane gas. That extra pressure in the gut causes your body to flood the area with whatever water it can, which creates the unpleasant experience associated with lactose for the intolerant.
But get this... Science has found a way to package lactase into a pill that you can take. I know right? Mind blown. So you take the pills before or during your lactose filled meal and... You're fine. Amazing!
Science.
It all sounds great on paper but as someone that is lactose intolerant I can tell you that those little lactase pills do not always work and a single small ice cream cone is enough to completely ruin my evening.
Cheese is fine though. The vast majority of cheeses are actually naturally low in lactose, because most of it is in the whey.
My father is foodie. He fucking loves cheese and milkshakes and lots of dairy. He claims lactaid pills don't do much for him. I wouldn't know because I can pretty much eat anything.
I have a thoughts this a lot since dietary restrictions became the new badge of courage. I’m from the olden days where we were embarrassed and shamed for our shortcomings… My least favorite is the person with a dietary restriction they aren’t even up to speed on. Damn my toxic masculinity! Thanks, Dad…
It was pretty tough working at a bakery stall at farmers markets when people were just starting to jump on the gluten free train. I'd have folks come up to me and start screaming at me that they needed spelt bread because of their celiac disease, and I was a heartless bitch for not having any. Explaining that spelt actually has more gluten than regular wheat was not a good idea, nor was explaining that to be safe for a person with celiac disease, bread would need to be 1) free of gluten containing grains, not just wheat and 2) baked in a facility where the air is not thick with wheat flour dust, depositing itself on every surface. "Give me my special bread! IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL!!!"
Those people also frustrate the hell out of my aunt with actual celiac disease. She's basically had to stop eating in restaurants because there's no real way for her to differentiate between "gluten-free" and "no, no really, we cooked all of this in a completely separate area of the kitchen with dedicated utensils that never come into contact with anything from the other side of the kitchen"
She has a couple of places she can trust, but just trying out new places for funsies is not a thing she could ever do.
If you can identify it, let it go. You're half way there already.
A work in progress. When I notice it in myself I announce it so people, especially my kids, know I’m out of line, don’t endorse the behavior, and am working to change. It’s truly a struggle. But like GI Joe says, knowing is half the battle! Stay gold🖤
This is really a thing ive been wondering about USA... Dont you have lactose free products? I mean, if the tiny Nordics can and do produce lactose free versions of pretty much everything, in pretty much every possible place, why cant you?
Is it a sadism/eugenics thing (kidding but not 100% kidding)?
One interesting thing about lactose free products is, that most aren’t lactose free. They only contain the enzymes to digest the lactose. If you are lactose intolerant this is perfectly fine, but if you’re allergic to lactose it doesn’t change anything for you
We do. Vegan soy cheese is in a lot of groceries now, but usually only specialized restaurants will offer fake cheese as an option. We're just starting to get fake meat in various eateries, and that's still mostly limited to burgers.
A few pizzerias around here will offer a cheese -less pizza or other vegan options (fake cheese, onions paste instead, etc).
Edit: oh we also have milk and cheese but engineered to be lactose free. I'd say that's even rarer in restaurants than vegan options though.
oh we also have milk and cheese but engineered to be lactose free. I’d say that’s even rarer in restaurants than vegan options though.
That's really surprising. Lactose-free milk has been really common here in Finland for gods know how long, probably 20 years at least. Low lactose even longer.
Not sure I've ever seen low lactose or lactose free cheese though, although it's not something I'd pay attention to. I thought many cheeses are pretty low in lactose to begin with due to the process naturally converting it to something else?
edit turns out lactose free cheeses are also extremely common, I just didn't know because I can digest lactose without pooping
Try not to assume too much from crow memes.
Fair enough, but it is also an observation based on other observations (through american culture's past and current hegemony on global internet's english speaking portion) about the cheesyness of america.
Edit: also I'm finnish, our humour is kind of dry and tries to be witty, like think of the brits. So read it through that lense.
The US supports a lot of food allergies and alternatives, but I've never seen lactose free cheese at a pizza place. People either get no cheese or take a pill to make eating cheese less of a problem.
I thought many cheeses don't even contain (or a very small percentage) of lactose. I'm lactose intolerant and only have issues with milk and ice cream but never cheese.
We have it, but the major driver is for vegan products rather than people unable to digest dairy. Cheese is on everything here.
I know people who tried it and would rather forgo cheese than to try and eat that “garbage”, their words.
I knew a guy who wrote a date off after he found out she was allergic to pork 🤣
He may die alone, but at least his fridge with pork shall overfloweth
He won't die alone, he might get taenia solium (the pork brain worms)
I would. Pork et al. is like a third of my caloric intake. It would super suck if I shacked up with someone who couldn't eat it.
Why judge someone for not consuming dairy in the first place? Like, what, you only date baby cows?
It's not a dairy issue, I don't care if you don't drink milk. Cheese is the best food group and is the pinnacle of human existence
The government is the only reason you like cheese.
As long as they can eat pasta so we can do the Lady & the Tramp thing, it's all good. No celiacs disease bf/gf for me, thanks.
Edit: people with gluten allergies must really wanna kiss me Lady & The Tramp style.
